Dr. Black Jack
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The Verge w/ Phil Spencer: "PS4 Pro is a Xbox One S competitor, not true 4K system."
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Risk Breaker
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That is kinda bullshit, if you want to use ">", the difference is more like:
XBX >> PS4P >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> XB1S --- every ">" is +20% GPU power relative to the next console. Which one is closer?
Savantcore
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It's already happened. Assassin's Creed is checkerboard. Check this thread to see loads of people arguing about it.
El-Pistolero
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People often misuse this expression of this forum.
Ninja Scooter
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They can't beat you if they aren't your competition
Dash_Riprock
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Did Don Matrick kill Spencer and have plastic surgery to replace him or something?
JayWood2010
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We have 10 pages on this. We dont need Phil, forum dwellers, or even analysts to tell us what we know.
XBX is a going to be the most powerful console on the market by a significant margin.
So i just see 10 pages of people overreacting to a comment. If he feels that it isnt in direct competition with PS4P, so be it. So many little things gets gamers on edge anymore.
hydrophilic attack
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what happened to phil spencer doesn't care about console wars
go ahead and quote anyone claiming that the Xbox One X is less powerful than the Pro. (which is what you're trying to refute, it seems...)
Your post screams frustration anyway.
Of course no examples would be provided, even if there are some posters, saying GAF etc is just a easy cop-out.
If you are reffering to the Eurogamer interview, that wasn't included in the MS conference.
Im interested to hear what, in the actual MS conference, he spotted to make him change his mind.
The content shown and them not hitting native 4K on all their first party games shown. I was expecting them to fully show us extensive demos of 4K native first party games with all kinds of bells & whistles at 30fps(realistic lol) other than Forza. I did not get the quality or the confidence I was looking for. And the most impressive game(s) shown at their conference was running on beast 1080/Ti PC instead of the actual dev kit/console.
OdysseusVA
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He thought it would be a leg up on the competition but instead they're​ fumbling with the price and messaging. Is history repeating itself?
EventHorizon
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Native 4K gets way more attention than it deserves. As you point out, virtually no one is going to be able to tell the difference unless specifically looking for it. The real difference will be that the X will use higher resolution textures and have a more stable frame rate in some games.
JayWood2010
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Not even remotely saying they were. What im saying is we dont need 10 pages of people picking a comment a part. If he doesnt view it as competition, then so be it.
Brilliant!
They can't beat you if they aren't your competition
Your original post says different.
"So many little things gets gamers on edge anymore."
Yeah, indeed.
In pure GPU power, yes.
But the CPU and RAM differences are bigger than the Xbox One/PS4 gap.
Wait. Hold on. Are you implying that the power difference between Xbox One X and PS4 Pro is BIGGER than the gap between PS4 Pro and Xbox One S?
XB1X: 6TF
PS4P: 4.2TF
XB1S: 1.3TF
PS4 Pro has 3.2x more power than XB1S. XB1X has 1.4x more power than PS4P.
I'm sure it's been said a million times in here, but the difference in power between XB1X and PS4P is the same proportionally to the difference in power between PS4 and XB1S. So it's insulting for Spencer to say something like this.
DonkeyKong
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Did you read the article by the ARK: Survival Evolved developer?, he seems to think there is quite a difference, will be interesting to hear what other devs say..
Neuromancer
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Ingenious. This kind of lateral thinking is why Phil's the head of Xbox.
They can't beat you if they aren't your competition
InsaneTiger
Member
He says this every year.
Herp Derpington
Member
In all fairness the power differences amount to more than just the flop ratings. There's the increased CPU performance, increased ram performance among others. I agree with you; it's a bit insulting to try to play the X up as competing against....nothing? (since he says the Pro is competing against the S). I don't know it's a weird statement to make. I get what he's trying to do but it's insulting to the audience who most likely already own a competing console or are at least aware of what the Pro does. The X isn't gaming Jesus; it's a more powerful Pro. I'm pretty turned off by all this. This gen is turning nasty. Blah.
JayWood2010
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Im implying that the XBX is a significant jump over PS4P because it is, so if he doesnt view it as its main competitor then so be it. If he views the less powerful, but cheaper console as a competitor to the PS4P, then ok.
He views XBX as a premium console for the most hardcore fans (he has said this much several times). The price reflects that. XBOS is cheaper, and came out around the same time as PS4P. May be viewed as more of a competitor.
Bitch Pudding
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If Phil really thinks the X is shipping in a blue ocean, he's probably just color blind.
Necro900
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The same dev who claimed this?
https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/...r-says-ps4-pro-performance-equivalent-900-pc/
Meh, I'll take them seriously once their game runs decently on less than nasa-grade PCs.
In pure GPU power yes, but the RAM is a pretty big difference too.
MegaMelon
Member
It's becoming clear to me that Phil doesn't genuinely believe this stuff that he's saying and that it is in fact, PR work as usual.
What sounds more impressive? "The PS4 pro is our competitor in the 4k range" or "The PS4 pro is only a competitor in the lower range, we are on a different level when it comes to 4k"? Same with the timed exclusive comment. It makes Microsoft and Xbox look good, simple PR people.
What sounds more impressive? "The PS4 pro is our competitor in the 4k range" or "The PS4 pro is only a competitor in the lower range, we are on a different level when it comes to 4k"? Same with the timed exclusive comment. It makes Microsoft and Xbox look good, simple PR people.
FinaruDensetsu
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Phil is definitely in it to win with all of these new comments. I like this new approach of directly competing with Sony rather than all the faux niceness. This is fucking business there's no need for that bs.
I was really hoping at this point Microsoft would have given me reasons to understand what their competitive advantage is over Sony.
They completely failed to show me that after E3. I still don't even understand the purpose of the Xbox One X if they're selling it at $599 CAD, don't have compelling enough software that's exclusive to the platform and barely have any competitive advantage over Sony or Nintendo.
I have and like my Xbox One S, but whenever someone asks me about it makes it better than a PS4 I have very little to tell them besides backwards compatibility. That's a problem, and that's what I thought they'd address at E3 this year but they didn't.
They completely failed to show me that after E3. I still don't even understand the purpose of the Xbox One X if they're selling it at $599 CAD, don't have compelling enough software that's exclusive to the platform and barely have any competitive advantage over Sony or Nintendo.
I have and like my Xbox One S, but whenever someone asks me about it makes it better than a PS4 I have very little to tell them besides backwards compatibility. That's a problem, and that's what I thought they'd address at E3 this year but they didn't.
Ok, fair enough.
Even if the Forza 7 demo was running on a PC at the show floor, Im sure it will be running native 4K on the Xbox One X, that was what was announced atleast. And Im confident they make upcoming Gears of War, Halo, etc run at native 4K, but we have to wait and see. If they don't, it will be quite embarrassing, Im sure NeoGAF will remind them of that.
=)
Resident_UA
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The same guy who said that their game can't be 60 fps because it's online? LOL
People got to stop referencing that idiot
LordBaztion
Member
at that price it wouldn't compete even if they wanted it.
I'm sure they are considering it's only thing from Microsoft out at the moment
Crayon
Member
Lol. No it's just hot air. If anything it looks like they've given up on competing.
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