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Tomb Raider Definitive Edition (PS4/XB1) is 30 FPS
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BibiMaghoo
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If the choice was made between making an old game look better to sell it again, or have an old game look only slightly better, but run at a better FR, to sell it again, well...
I think they made the right call to be honest. People want a graphical spectacle if they are going to buy again when they played it on older systems. Frame rate does not achieve that enhancement for many people, because it is not nearly as obvious. Screens and trailers do not show how fast an old game is running, but they do show fancy effects and stupid wafty hair.
I think they made the right call to be honest. People want a graphical spectacle if they are going to buy again when they played it on older systems. Frame rate does not achieve that enhancement for many people, because it is not nearly as obvious. Screens and trailers do not show how fast an old game is running, but they do show fancy effects and stupid wafty hair.
TheFLYINGManga_Ka
Member
I can understand how 30fps is a disappointment, even though it won't effect the game at all since I enjoyed in immensely on the PS3. Last of Us, Uncharted, all 30fps.
It's the thought that the next gen consoles can't do 60fps on 1080p. That's probably where all this salt is coming from, right?
It's the thought that the next gen consoles can't do 60fps on 1080p. That's probably where all this salt is coming from, right?
shinobi602
Member
You'll be singing different tunes within the next year or two once we start seeing second gen games from SSM, Naughty Dog, Guerrilla, etc.
pretty done
Member
So they're changing the name right?
irishfansam
Banned
Guarantee with TressFX enabled you don't get anywhere near 60fps. In fact I bet you are sub 30fps with TressFx. Anything less than a 7000 series GPU and TressFX makes the game unplayable.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Really? I sometimes lock the framerate to 30fps on some games because they look stupid running at 60fps
The unrealistically fast movements don't feel or look better to me, especially when the game was never designed to run @60
Yep, you ever watched a Korean tv show? That stands out a mile to me and probably to you but some can't see the difference.
Exactly. This was an economic decision, and it usually is. Graphics >framerate when it really matters.
irishfansam
Banned
With TressFX no it couldn't hit 60fps. I maintain about 45 fps with TressFX enabled on my 7950.
I don't doubt some developers can and will optimize more, but for multi-platforms where there is less time to optimize for each platform, it is unfortunate that we may already be hitting the limits.
I mean, it's not like Tomb Raider is some small franchise or Square Enix is some tiny developer. They have the resources and the reasons, and this is what they got.
I thought the sentiment was pretty darn negative out the gate with both of those consoles, within the same time frame. Oblivion and Dead Rising kind of gave an idea, but Gears felt like the first true high water mark, a year after. PS3 took even longer to get going.
Not even relevant anymore, they got gamers to accessorize their dolls all last gen.
irishfansam
Banned
Not with TressFX enabled.
shinobi602
Member
There's no reason to worry. Amos even said this is the first attempt at getting nice looking Tomb Raider game on the PS4/Xbox One.
Expect multiplats to continue looking better from here on out. Though if you're expecting 60fps to be the norm this genereation, as Carmack said, you'll be disappointed. 60fps will never be a priority for any console generation, never was, never will be.
Don't we hear all the time how locked-down console hardware allows for all sorts of crazy optimizations? It's an AMD technology, on consoles with AMD tech. Do you honestly think they did not optimize this?
Interfectum
Member
True, I did leave spaghetti hair off.
eot
Banned
If TressFX is the reason they can't hit 60 they should turn it off
Syphon Filter
Member
How is that definitive? Stop accepting mediocrity people, then they get away with.
This is just sad on so many levels. the game was very bad (my worst game of 2013) but that not the only problem here. it's $60 for just a higher res game (one game not even collection..even last gen collection were usually $40/$30 for three games) and it's not even 60fps. Wind Waker HD at least have some tweaks and fixes with the res upgrade (still priced wrong) and the original was only on one system. but here it's the same game.
Brainiac 8
Member
Next year: Tomb Raider: The Super Definitive Lara Has Another New Face 60FPS Edition
$60.00
$60.00
irishfansam
Banned
taizuke
Member
If it gets to that i bet it'll be the PS3 version.
I'd love to get my hands on the PS4 version but i'm not gonna pay full price. However, if PS3 version became free i'd jump on that immediately and completely forget about the PS4 version.
ss_lemonade
Member
I guess there's just no secret magic to stuff these consoles with fast hardware unless they jacked up the price more. I haven't played this game that much yet and my 780 handles ultra plus tressfx fairly well but I've read stories of that kind of hardware still dropping frames in later areas. Its just a performance hog and I guess it would have been better to just drop that specific effect to make 60fps more possible
BOOM!
BruiserBear
Banned
Why do developers keep shit like this a secret for so long? I asked the developer directly in a QA they did on their forums a month ago, and he said it was still undetermined. Yeah right.
I was hoping by a miracle it ran at 60fps on PS4, but oh well.
I still plan on picking this up as long as it's 30fps without any drops.
I was hoping by a miracle it ran at 60fps on PS4, but oh well.
I still plan on picking this up as long as it's 30fps without any drops.
RedSoxFan9
Banned
I was going to double dip but not anymore.
Aizu_Itsuko
Member
Wasn't this expected with TressFX and everything? Unless it has been greatly improved, achieving 1080p/60fps would have been problematic (to say the least) on either console, especially on XBOne.
I would be worried about frame drops actually.
I would be worried about frame drops actually.
RedAssedApe
Banned
irishfansam
Banned
Prepare to be dissapointed. Not one game using TressFx will run over 30fps this gen.
Latvian Hitman
Member
Yep. I couldn't get a stable 60 with my 670, either.
It means when true next gen starts in 1-2 years, with games developed for >1080p/60FPS/VR start arriving, many won't be able to experience it.
gigantor21
Member
I'm worried too. TressFX is the reason why I had frame drops on PC while playing it; without it, it runs at 1080p with everything else cranked up smoothly.
So add "need to see how well it runs on consoles" to the list of reasons not to buy this at $60.
Dictator93
Member
I bet it drops frames even.
Xbox One version will look noticeably worse, just look at Need for Speed Rivals...
That's what it means for me too. I am just worried that the bulk of the market will be stuck with less powerful consoles, and the tech won't get pushed.
This isn't a console v PC comment either. Console gamers should be the most pissed because ultimately MS and Sony decided to release lower spec consoles so that they made more money on hardware sales.
if they sacrificed 60fps/better performance just to have TressFX then they screwed up big time here. after playing TRreboot I can say without hesitation that TressFX is absolute and utter crap. Lara's TressFX hair look awful it look like steel wires and move completely unrealistically like Horsehair worms or snakes dancing on her head. it's just very bad tech that look really ugly on stills or motion.
Definitive version and 30fps shouldn't be in the same sentence. No wonder pc gamers laugh at us console peasants 
If this game was open world I would understand, but not being able to run this game at 60fps disappoints me. Why pay $60 when I can get the actual "definitive version" for $10 on pc.
If this game was open world I would understand, but not being able to run this game at 60fps disappoints me. Why pay $60 when I can get the actual "definitive version" for $10 on pc.
Angelus Errare
Banned
The feel of definitive.
Definitive version and 30fps shouldn't be in the same sentence. No wonder pc gamers laugh at us console peasants
If this game was open world I would understand, but not being able to run this game at 60fps disappoints me. Why pay $60 when I can get the actual "definitive version" for $10 on pc.
Well, it is the definitive console edition. Square just needs to add that to the subtitle. lol
NullPointer
Member
Releasing this at 60fps might also send the wrong signal and set the wrong expectations when it comes to next gen TR sequels, if those are going to target 30fps. Maybe that was also a concern.
But we can probably put most of the blame/justification on those hair physics.