OniBarubary
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It's pretty goddam effective at that, to be frank. Taking a character I thought was boring and annoying and making me legitimately depressed at her death.
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Trillion: God of Destruction |OT| Vita means Death
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It's pretty goddam effective at that, to be frank. Taking a character I thought was boring and annoying and making me legitimately depressed at her death.
A Huge Battleship
Member
Haven't tried that skill myself, but it has the same description as the multi-hit skills, so it should be hitting multiple times (providing more than 1 of the AoE target squares is on Trillion). Check the battle log (Start button) to see how many hits it landed.
The
first form's
I didn't do that much damage to it on my first try with Mammon, but after some more training I got Multi Attack, a handful of decent passives and higher ATK/SPD, which together made a huge difference.
For the
Dragon Form
baiting the two orbs to one side of the tail, then Flame Dragon'ing over the tail and smacking it from the other side. As long as I stayed opposite the orbs, they wouldn't move around the tail and would instead just occasionally fire lasers at me, which can be easily dodged. Lv2 Lai + Armor Strike destroyed the tail armour in 4 attacks, limiting its tail smash attack and causing my damage to skyrocket. If I couldn't get close enough for Lai, I used Star Prayer Lv2 instead.
There are some really good passive skills, so they're worth looking into. Armor Strike + multi-hit skills will rip through armour, Ambush is useful if you're attacking it from behind, Challenger is worth its small price (particularly against
Dragon Form, since I think its orbs count as separate enemies
The Ace passive (the one that increases your ATK when you kill an enemy) definitely works and makes a huge difference for the
first form
Dragon Form
Tell me about it. Mammon and Perpell were the two characters I figured I wouldn't give a damn about, but both of their deaths killed me. Now I'm on Levia and I'm shitting myself.
You know what? I think I'm going to dump my current save and try from the beginning with these things in mind. The multi hit thing in particular is something I experimented with and dismissed after not seeing the damage go up.
SerTapTap
Member
If nothing else the game is great at tricking you into thinking you're doing well then pulling the rug from under you. Also the endgame stretch just seems cruel, anyone got any tips?
I'm down to Ruche and Fegor next...uh...no one's dealt half as much damage as Mammon or Levia were dealing (granted, against earlier forms). I'm not sure if I fucked up or if
but I can't push my attack and speed stats as high as I could before. But I bought a ton of passive skills early on so learned skills from "events" would be more potent, maybe I spent more than I realized.
I assume there's some sort of NG+ and I'm starting to think I might not win until that at this rate. went from "I CAN DO THIS!" with my third overlord to "I can probably do this" on my fourth to "what" on my fifth. Unless there's some sort of trump card on the fifth, her stats are amazing or I really ace this next fight
I don't really see this happening right now.
Surprised people could beat the first form with their first Overlord, but I'm too far in to restart. There's definitely a lot to learn about the systems in this game
I was wondering about that too. The descriptions are very unclear.
Perpell's writing is really good, and I think they make her sort of a deliberate "I'll pick this one because who cares about this little brat". Though
I'm down to Ruche and Fegor next...uh...no one's dealt half as much damage as Mammon or Levia were dealing (granted, against earlier forms). I'm not sure if I fucked up or if
the training dummy not appearing just totally ruins your potential stat growth
I assume there's some sort of NG+ and I'm starting to think I might not win until that at this rate. went from "I CAN DO THIS!" with my third overlord to "I can probably do this" on my fourth to "what" on my fifth. Unless there's some sort of trump card on the fifth, her stats are amazing or I really ace this next fight
that I CAN'T FUCKING PRACTICE FOR
Surprised people could beat the first form with their first Overlord, but I'm too far in to restart. There's definitely a lot to learn about the systems in this game
I was wondering about that too. The descriptions are very unclear.
Perpell's writing is really good, and I think they make her sort of a deliberate "I'll pick this one because who cares about this little brat". Though
TBH every character has either a devastating backstory or a surprising real personality so far
A Huge Battleship
Member
Levia's dead. Fuck everything.
Annoyingly, I started getting freezes late in my 2nd fight with
So this time I sealed the part that kept causing it
out of spite.
My advice for
:
- BE ATTITUDE FOR GAINS...
- BE PRAYING
- BE PRAYING
- BE PRAYING
Also don't forget that you can
There is an NG+, although I don't know the specifics.
Annoyingly, I started getting freezes late in my 2nd fight with
Trillion's final form.
(the knife)
I'm going through the same feelings right now. Although Ashmedia's base stats are higher, I'm pretty sure the EXP I've inherited was less than Levia started with. Without Mokujin it's significantly harder to build it up. Though I've been neglecting the Valley of Swords, which actually gives a considerable amount of EXP, so I'll try to fix that this time around.
My advice for
Trillion's final form
- SEAL THE TORSO WITH A DEATH SKILL. It was considerably easier to survive during my 2nd fight, because it didn't have its most threatening AoE attack or any miasma. I was able to stand in front of it and slash away, then use movement skills to avoid Roundabout.
- You can seal some of its other parts if you have the Death Skills to spare, but it's less essential than sealing the torso. I still have at least 3+1 Overlords left, so I've sealed it twice now.
-Attacking the main body (front 2 squares) does about 2x damage over targeting its wings or cutlery. With no armour destroyed, at least.
- Whenever it does "I don't like you" (self barrier) or "On the dish" (field barrier), it'll cancel out any attacks it was charging.
- Pray for one of the events that teaches Multi Attack, since regular attacks are your main damage source. I've gotten it from the Ergo/Ragon 2-vs-1 training event and the Fegor duel, though that was only with my first Overlord (Mammon).
- Apparently there's a weapon seal you can get which gives your regular attacks longer range. Haven't seen it myself, but it'd be incredibly useful for bypassing its self barrier.
- If you really get desperate, learn the broken Final Sprint passive and hold out until you become a monster. I'm only going to do this if I get down to my last Overlord.
- You can seal some of its other parts if you have the Death Skills to spare, but it's less essential than sealing the torso. I still have at least 3+1 Overlords left, so I've sealed it twice now.
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- Whenever it does "I don't like you" (self barrier) or "On the dish" (field barrier), it'll cancel out any attacks it was charging.
- Pray for one of the events that teaches Multi Attack, since regular attacks are your main damage source. I've gotten it from the Ergo/Ragon 2-vs-1 training event and the Fegor duel, though that was only with my first Overlord (Mammon).
- Apparently there's a weapon seal you can get which gives your regular attacks longer range. Haven't seen it myself, but it'd be incredibly useful for bypassing its self barrier.
- If you really get desperate, learn the broken Final Sprint passive and hold out until you become a monster. I'm only going to do this if I get down to my last Overlord.
- BE PRAYING
- BE PRAYING
- BE PRAYING
Also don't forget that you can
revive one Overlord that you had 100% affection with. I'm not exactly sure when / how this triggers, but I suspect the main six all have to be dead first.
Elaugaufein
Member
Regarding: Don't forget
(The spoiler tags here aren't for jokes. They spoil pretty much every character based plot twist in the game)
You're correct everyone else has to bite it first. It's actually even more than that. If Ruche beats the Envoy then you also get a chapter with Elma and if she bites it one with Kerobos, After that you can either revive 1 girl you had 100% affection with or if you choose not to then you get Faust. If Faust bites it then you get to play as Zeabolos (who's starting stats are more than enough to win if you get Solid Mind / Final Sprint).
To get the true ending Zeabolos has to finish the Final form with his Death Skill (which is super messed up).
To get the true ending Zeabolos has to finish the Final form with his Death Skill (which is super messed up).
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I can confirm Final Sprint is broken AF. You have neutered stats so can't bring many minions with you, but by the time you get to Trillion your stats are about back to normal so every turn after is just you getting stronger. And that's at level 1.
OniBarubary
Banned
Omg where were these maids before and why haven't I seen scenes with them
I adore the designs in this game. It can't be said enough
I adore the designs in this game. It can't be said enough
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I always get maids and Ragon for my events.
I need more Overlord battles for the stats and skills!
You start a fight with lowered stats, but they increase each turn. It doesn't take that long to reach 999 in all stats.
I think I will abuse this.
The basics of their personality are pretty strong clues as to what the best gifts are. For example Perpell loves anything food related except for 1 random fermented sushi item. If I remember right one of her 1k gifts is
the 3d picture book
SerTapTap
Member
Huh, really? I might try that one then. Even doing TERRIBLY as I did in my last fight against trillion it still took like, 50 turns to lose.
Does HP go up though?
Interact helps (I forget if it's like 3%?), but you really should get enough items with proper training at least in my experience. Though your first overlord is your hardest to max in time. finding "good" yellow ones increases affection by 5% each and the "perfect" item is like 10% or something plus a scene?
TBH you should basically consider your first Overlord a lost cause/practice, I'm not sure my first hit 100% anyway. Don't waste too many blue/purple "don't really like" items on your current overlord and you should have plenty of crap for your next overlords. It's a balancing act.
That's pretty clear, I meant that it is luck whether or not you get any items that your overlord likes. I wondered if there was something I was missing since I only seem to get 1% increase when I do interactions using the rest menu.
I don't think HP and MP increased, but I could be wrong. I don't pay much attention to them unless I'm out of affection
.But yeah that + the skill that increases your damage if you don't move = a lot of damage.
autoduelist
Member
Oh, yeah, I'm not saying I fully researched everything about the game beforehand. I thought it was more combat oriented than relationship oriented. My mistake, it's just a case of 'so close, so far' for me.
SerTapTap
Member
I don't think HP and MP increased, but I could be wrong. I don't pay much attention to them unless I'm out of affection
But yeah that + the skill that increases your damage if you don't move = a lot of damage.
Speaking of the skill that buffs damage for not moving, it's exploitable via skills that move your character. As long as you don't move normally using just the d pad, you're counted as standing still for those skills. The 5% def buff per turn is useful too.
I kind of hate that the game has "physical" and "magic" and I have no idea which of Trillion's attacks are which
Yeah, I've been using that dragon skill pretty much 100% of the time. Some of the skills are worded poorly. Magic isn't all that useful, but there is a skill that lowers magic cost by 10% per level. Except that it works on skills too.
A Huge Battleship
Member
And then there were 2. RIP Ashmedia.
However, I'm now feeling much more confident. With Perpell's and Levia's weapons stuck in its body,
attacks are manageable. They're still coming out ridiculously quickly but I always seem to have a 2-3 square escape option. The downside is that Trillion now seems keener on using its forward thrust attack, meaning it's moving towards the defence line faster. But it's still infinitely preferable to when it was unsealed.
I've been a bit cautious about using items/money so far, but I'm going all in for the next battle with Ruche. If it goes well it'll be the last. Feels appropriate to finish it with her, especially after
Also after some experimenting, I think the Valley of Swords gets better loot after you clear it a few times with the same Overlord, but then resets when you switch to a new one. I got junk on my initial runs with Ashmedia, but after a few clears I started seeing stronger enemies and better items. Found a Pierce weapon seal (normal attack hits 2 squares in front of you) after a handful of runs, which is going to be ridiculously useful for the next fight. Then I tried it just now with Ruche and it's back to garbage again.
However, I'm now feeling much more confident. With Perpell's and Levia's weapons stuck in its body,
Final Form's
I've been a bit cautious about using items/money so far, but I'm going all in for the next battle with Ruche. If it goes well it'll be the last. Feels appropriate to finish it with her, especially after
the revelation about Trillion's Agent.
Also after some experimenting, I think the Valley of Swords gets better loot after you clear it a few times with the same Overlord, but then resets when you switch to a new one. I got junk on my initial runs with Ashmedia, but after a few clears I started seeing stronger enemies and better items. Found a Pierce weapon seal (normal attack hits 2 squares in front of you) after a handful of runs, which is going to be ridiculously useful for the next fight. Then I tried it just now with Ruche and it's back to garbage again.
You're right that it can't be said enough, so I'm going to say it again. This has probably my favourite designed cast from any game I've played.
What were the developers thinking when they put the final sprint skill in? It's just way too overpowered compared to other skills.
Only read this if you want an easy way to beat the third form. I suggest figuring out your own methods instead. It's way more fun that way.
Only read this if you want an easy way to beat the third form. I suggest figuring out your own methods instead. It's way more fun that way.
- Max out the skill that increases armor damage.
- Max out the magic that has the longest range. (Lightning)
- Snipe the body armor until it breaks.
- Trillion nullifies health damage but not armor damage.
- Max out the magic that has the longest range. (Lightning)
- Snipe the body armor until it breaks.
- Trillion nullifies health damage but not armor damage.
I've been using the final sprint skill and honestly it's not as OP as I was hoping my damage barely goes up only if I can manage to survive for an insane amount of turns does it actually become useful (which is typically at a point where my affection is near 0).
Also regarding the spoilers. Is the
increase to armor damage
that it increase your attack by 1 when you hit armor
Since the stat increase is based on percentage, the base attack have to reach a certain point before it increases fast enough. I'd say around 300 ATK would do. Not difficult to reach if you focus your points on attack and speed. If you make full use of the movement skills, it is not difficult to survive until the attack stats hit 999.
The 3rd form has 70 armor. A lv.3 armor strike means your character deals 4 armor damage per hit. It takes 18 hits to destroy the armor. Less if you have minions to help. Minions are really important in this fight.
Oh so it's plus 1 to armor damage (total being 70?) specifically not plus 1 to your attack stat when hitting armor?
A Huge Battleship
Member
RIP...
...Trillion. Killed it with Ruche's Death Skill. Probably my most satisfying gaming moment ever. It doesn't count as Ruche dying for the story, since
So I got her ending, and jesus, I was not ready for
I also wasn't ready for one of the CGs I accidentally saw during the credits (was trying not to look), but that's another story.
I think the last 4 days might be the most engrossed I've ever been in a game. I know that objectively it has a bucketload of flaws, but subjectively it's one of the most enjoyable things I've played. Very glad I didn't wait before starting it, since I think the experience partially relies on you having little idea what you're doing and Trillion intimidating the shit out of you. It also relies on you giving a damn about the characters, which I was initially sceptical about for some of them, but I ended up blubbing over every death scene (as well as a few others).
There's a true ending which I missed by a mile, so that's my next objective. In some ways it's more lenient than the run I just did, so I guess I can relax a bit on my NG+.
There's also something called Challenge Mode that opens up once you beat the game. Basically it's a fresh run where you can pick any character you've previously played as in any order, but there's no retreating allowed and no story (except the intro?). I can only choose from 5 characters, so I'll need to replay the main story anyway to unlock the remaining ones.
...Trillion. Killed it with Ruche's Death Skill. Probably my most satisfying gaming moment ever. It doesn't count as Ruche dying for the story, since
Trillion's not alive to finish her off after she uses it.
adult Ruche.
I think the last 4 days might be the most engrossed I've ever been in a game. I know that objectively it has a bucketload of flaws, but subjectively it's one of the most enjoyable things I've played. Very glad I didn't wait before starting it, since I think the experience partially relies on you having little idea what you're doing and Trillion intimidating the shit out of you. It also relies on you giving a damn about the characters, which I was initially sceptical about for some of them, but I ended up blubbing over every death scene (as well as a few others).
There's a true ending which I missed by a mile, so that's my next objective. In some ways it's more lenient than the run I just did, so I guess I can relax a bit on my NG+.
There's also something called Challenge Mode that opens up once you beat the game. Basically it's a fresh run where you can pick any character you've previously played as in any order, but there's no retreating allowed and no story (except the intro?). I can only choose from 5 characters, so I'll need to replay the main story anyway to unlock the remaining ones.
Pellegri Testament
Member
Yep that wasn't really something I was expecting either. I knew the extra characters you would play as if you went for the true ending, I just didn't expect their cgs to be part of the ending if you finished the game before you got to them. Not really looking forward to that first one.
lazyproblems
Member
Free Trillion DLC has released in NA. EU is coming a little later per the IFI twitter. Some of it is Neptunia themed items and a Neptunia skill.
I haven't had as much time with this as I've wanted. Only been able to play it in very short bursts. Haven't even had my second battle with Trillion yet. :/ Luckily I should get some more time to play today.
I haven't had as much time with this as I've wanted. Only been able to play it in very short bursts. Haven't even had my second battle with Trillion yet. :/ Luckily I should get some more time to play today.
NeoHorizon
Member
Thanks for the heads up. Gonna download them right away
OniBarubary
Banned
I heavily agree with this statement. This game has a boatload of flaws, a lot based around it's budget or lack thereof, but I am fucking invested in this game.
Dandy Crocodile
Member
I really just wish the Valley of Swords sections were longer/more fleshed out.
When I can get into roguelikes, I REALLY get into them so to have just the slight taste of one here is pretty annoying.
When I can get into roguelikes, I REALLY get into them so to have just the slight taste of one here is pretty annoying.
Elaugaufein
Member
The skills seem weird. Like a Kangaroo seems to be Charge Lvl2 but there also doesn't seem to be a way to upgrade any of the skills.
Also when do Devil Envoys open up ? Or am I just blind and missing where you recruit them from ?
Dandy Crocodile
Member
You can buy them from the Research tab that also sells items and equipment.
lazyproblems
Member
So I got to battle Trillion again with Mammon, and it went much better. Was able to knock a huge chunk of HP out of him. Retreated to train some more rather than going to the next girl.
The DLC has some pretty decent skills and stuff. The Otton attack and Neptunia movement in particular.
Yeah, I do wish there was more to do in the VoS. Specifically, it would be nice if the further in you explored the more rare items you could get. It's a decently fun area, but it feels like they missed a bit of an opportunity there.
The DLC has some pretty decent skills and stuff. The Otton attack and Neptunia movement in particular.
Yeah, I do wish there was more to do in the VoS. Specifically, it would be nice if the further in you explored the more rare items you could get. It's a decently fun area, but it feels like they missed a bit of an opportunity there.
NeoHorizon
Member
I'm not sure if this is an exploit but if you need more affection points, try the item purchase method, provided that you have gold. Buy 5 diced steak individually since the first item purchase will give you 100k, then 80k, 60k, 40k, and 20k. Anymore purchase after the 5th will only give you 10k. After getting 300k, sell those diced steaks (can't hold more than 9 of the same item), save game and return to menu title. Load game, and repeat the same process. This can easily be done in just 30 seconds.
I'm really low on gold since I lost the 50k bet with Doctor's event lol. Didn't want load previous load since I got fever time.
Edit: source is from gamefaqs
I'm really low on gold since I lost the 50k bet with Doctor's event lol. Didn't want load previous load since I got fever time.
Edit: source is from gamefaqs
SerTapTap
Member
Yeah, the writing and feeling of progress (which is then pulled from under your fucking feet) are great. It's a mixed bag but it's so unique it's very compelling.
I also find it hard to play a ton at once, I feel like I've been playing it forever.
Also wish I had the Neptunia characters the whole time, free 10% training buffs that I've been missing the whole game now...
Yeah, I was expecting a lot more from Valley of Swords but it's more about optimizing movement than it is about being a roguelike. The game could use a bit more gameplay and a bit less pure raising sim. I don't mind the raising sim, but I'd much rather raise for 10 days than 100. By overlord 3 I wished I could like plan a week at a time or something.
Elaugaufein
Member
I've misinterpreted like a Kangaroo. While it's a move skill you also select a target square and then you move somehow (the diagram is .... less than useful for a skill of that nature)
The Neptunia character's aren't completely free. They become part of the event pool and their events are not great (if you pick the right item out of the 3 offered you get an item that's about equivalent to the other DLC items) , which is probably significantly worse than some of the existing events.
The Neptunia character's aren't completely free. They become part of the event pool and their events are not great (if you pick the right item out of the 3 offered you get an item that's about equivalent to the other DLC items) , which is probably significantly worse than some of the existing events.
SerTapTap
Member
The yellow square on the diagram is a move square...but unless I'm forgetting, Like A Kangaroo somehow lacks the yellow square? I was confused too.
Most of the events have low payout rates anyway though. The best ones by far are the "learn a random skill" ones and all of those seem to have less than 50% chance to happen or are exceedingly rare or both. Like the "extra training" with Buff McCigar or DragonBro one I get constantly, maybe one in five times it actually works. On the plus side you don't get punished for "failing" that one/
Elaugaufein
Member
Ha, so I'm not going crazy. That event really doesn't have any downside so there's no reason to ever turn it down.
(I'm still wondering what the downside to Faust's Body Mod was since it was +100 XP to every stat when it succeeded which is a *lot* of training. Like ~2 Excellents of every training. The downside must have been awful. )
It's about 20% Rogue Like, 20% Rogue Like Boss Fight, 40% Stat Management Sim and 20% Visual Novel (and also approximately 120% emotional abuse). It's kinda like one of those old stat management dating sims as a result.
What's wrong with the trailer?
So final sprint caps after a set number of turns. Was expecting to eventually hit 999 on everything by hanging back but most of my skills didn't go over 500 (with the exceptions of 1 that over 800). Still considerably higher than I could have got without it but disappointing to say the least.
SerTapTap
Member
Protip: do not use energy vitamins (reduce fatigue) until you learn the +50% item effect skill. It works on those too, making them MUCH more effective.
Also, if anyone's confused by the bandages, they only heal training injuries. Don't take them into battle, they're useless.
I kind of wish they didn't add Otton, I was enjoying the (mostly) lack of such things in the game. I know I could have just not downloaded him, but still. Also the game has a bit more Haremy stuff than I thought (I started with perpell who just has the least/none of that) but it still doesn't go far into the territory that I usually hate so I can forgive it.
Yeah, just keep accepting the training (if it's from the "training buddies", the one from the doctor can give you +30 fatigue if it fails, +20 to all stats if it succeeds, seems 50/50). I've never gotten a benefit from turning it down and it CAN give you a skill.
Usually downsides are just fatigue or nothing (or if you paid money, your money of course). I dont' think I've ever lost XP, a skill, or even gotten injured from an event. It pays to be risky basically, as long as you have some energy vitamins left. The worst case is usually just nothing or +10 to 30 fatigue, which is less than a day of time wasted.
Also, if anyone's confused by the bandages, they only heal training injuries. Don't take them into battle, they're useless.
I kind of wish they didn't add Otton, I was enjoying the (mostly) lack of such things in the game. I know I could have just not downloaded him, but still. Also the game has a bit more Haremy stuff than I thought (I started with perpell who just has the least/none of that) but it still doesn't go far into the territory that I usually hate so I can forgive it.
Yeah, just keep accepting the training (if it's from the "training buddies", the one from the doctor can give you +30 fatigue if it fails, +20 to all stats if it succeeds, seems 50/50). I've never gotten a benefit from turning it down and it CAN give you a skill.
Usually downsides are just fatigue or nothing (or if you paid money, your money of course). I dont' think I've ever lost XP, a skill, or even gotten injured from an event. It pays to be risky basically, as long as you have some energy vitamins left. The worst case is usually just nothing or +10 to 30 fatigue, which is less than a day of time wasted.
OniBarubary
Banned
Are the stat gains gained through training different for each overlord? I feel like some stats I trained on Perpell and got good gains on are DEFINITELY not as good on Levia. It seems like each overlord has stats they're good at and gain more in vs others
Elaugaufein
Member
It caps at +200% so to hit 999 you need 333 as your stat without it.
I think it's more their base stats are different.
Pellegri Testament
Member
It couldn't keep him from doing a driveby shitpost (that was likely going to be made with or without seeing the trailer) that explains nothing as to why he didn't like it. We will probably never see him in this thread again.
OniBarubary
Banned
Hrm. Interesting.
I just keep noticing that when I did Reflex training with Perpell I'd get gains in the 20s and for Levia I only get gains in the 10s.
Also if I kill
one of the orbs in Trillion's dragon form does it stay dead the next time I fight it?
Elaugaufein
Member
No. Only way to make stuff stay dead is to Seal it and even that only lasts until a form change.
TheChillyAcademic
Member
Is this getting a dub?