Karak
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Pretty much. But the ball got rolling with 1 upgrade and things sort of all clump together and all manner of upgrades have now been suggested. It happens.
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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Pretty much. But the ball got rolling with 1 upgrade and things sort of all clump together and all manner of upgrades have now been suggested. It happens.
As far as I am aware, you are correct. It's all base speculation on what they plan on having in the final machine. I would assume most of it is off the self stuff as well. This is mostly for devs to get a fell with what they may potentially work with.
Seeing that it can take some time to build new game engines that can better utilize resources and in Sony's case a lot of devs who work solely on the PS3/Vita, they don't pump out new stuff til Sony ballparks new tech specs.
phosphor112
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Low. Starting just a bit lower than fastest DDR3, but is expected to surpass it eventually.
It's actually lower power than DDR3, and because of that, they can put more into a unit, or do stacking, which would provide a significant performance increase because of the shorter connections along with the increase in number of connections.
Here is a pretty accurate graph.
TSV stacking would get you AT LEAST 512bit, but probably 1024bit bus... someone correct me please. But if so, we can easily see 200+ Gbps.
pharmboy044
Member
Oh okay. I only ask because I keep reading what a waste it is to use GDDR5 for the OS. I'm guessing Sony knows this and would think of something else.
Can Crusher
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Well I don't know. I assumed based on a comment by the dev in a video, where they talked about how graphics cards these days allow them so and so.
So, I can be very wrong.
Heart rate and blood pressure are fine, but im way more interested in biosensors that can detect how strong are you holding controller [they have a patent for that]. If the game can detect that, then it can really lead to new gameplay scenarios [dismantling the bomb by veeeeery gently holding the controller, opening a heavy lock with tight grip on a controller, etc].
Ninja Moomin
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God... those were dark days. To think of all the bullshit spouted about the PS3 on here a few years ago... it's like a lot of gaf wanted sony to implode... as if it would be a good thing to have Microsoft have a monopoly over the market.
And I'm only guessing too btw - I'm currently more interested in next gen but I kind of got the impression this made a good showing at CES. I suppose they will predefine some things that games must do, probably a very high frame rate or locked one at least.
Should be interesting.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
phosphor112
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Apparently SK Hynix, as well as Samsung, and Micron are all introducing 3D stacked this year. Not sure where that leaves TSV modules, but cost is the only thing holding back these guys, they seem to need big buyers to push mass production. Maybe MS and Sony might provide that?
http://www.i-micronews.com/news/SK-...ed-memory-commercialization-closer,10000.html
http://www.i-micronews.com/news/SK-...ed-memory-commercialization-closer,10000.html
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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I'm so excited. I just can't hide it!
phosphor112
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You don't want to to limit handicap players. There are Cerebral Palsy patients that play video games as rehab, and limiting game features to things that require strong grip or massive movements can be bad.
pharmboy044
Member
Regarding the controller? It's already in the other thread.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Not that. That was a CVG repost. That tweet was 13 mins ago.
THE:MILKMAN
Member
Today, Monday.....when!? Why do they never say when.
FlyingTeacup
Member
how credible are these guys in the past? it all seems like a race to get people to press f5 on their sites.
Glorified G
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That tweet is so vague. Why do people think it's connected to ps4?
Eurogamer is pretty cool.
Optimistic thinking.
The press have been ping ponging next gen stories the last couple of days, so when you see a vague tweet like that it's easy to think it might refer to a Eurogamer next-gen report
Not necessarily PS4 or PS4 only of course...We'll see. Maybe it's nothing.
Maybe its not early. Maybe Sony will strike first. Who knows.
GarthVaderUK
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Perhaps MS are announcing the Nextbox before GDC too, Sony doesn't want to be left behind at the hype train station.
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MeisaMcCaffrey
Can Crusher
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Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
They are, but VG247 is less credible than the main EG site. They tend to mess up a lot.
So its too late to make minor changes in features/specs for a console launching this fall/winter? I was under the impression manufacturing would start this summer...
Honest question.
I think all of you (aegis especially) are fooling yourselfs if you think Sony is only talking to their first party. First party as awesome as it is, makes 5% or less of games that we play on our consoles. So to ignore 95% of devs out there and just ask ND, SSM, PD or who ever what they want is silly idea.Sounds like fanboys nonsense. I am sure Sony is in talks with EA and Ubi at least about what THEY want. Because let's be honest, they matter more then first party. Not to us maybe but to the mass market.
Can Crusher
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Final Devkits are coming this month.
systemfehler
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Now if they got the documents from CES and witholded that information until know I have to ask why not release it earlier? NDA for leaked documents and rumours is expired?
which means things could still change.
Can Crusher
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In terms of what?
specs(more RAM?) . Nothing major, but there could still be some changes.
Shao Kahn Brewing a Stew
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*drools*
Little Old Man
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Interesting to see how the rumours of Microsoft once more getting in first could well be turned on their heads.
To be honest Sony needs to be first out, they will need every trick in the book to help persuade 360 users away from Live and their friends lists over to PSN.
I'm interested in seeing the new controller too, more so if I could still make use of my DS3.
To be honest Sony needs to be first out, they will need every trick in the book to help persuade 360 users away from Live and their friends lists over to PSN.
I'm interested in seeing the new controller too, more so if I could still make use of my DS3.
SolidSnakex
Member
I wonder if this new controller is going to end up like the boomerang? Sony quickly dropped that when they showed it to the public and the reaction to losing the DS wasn't so positive.
If design is done not much can be changed, mainly the working frequencies.
RAM cannot be upped if they're already using modules with the biggest capacity available, they would need to redesign the memory system.
That is just a rumor and if true it could point to a fall launch.
Just to make a comparision PS3 final kits were available in summer 2006 and the thing launched in November 2006.
then what is the difference between final dev kit and previous one? It looks sexier?
phosphor112
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Final kits in summer. The thread title even says it, lol.
Can Crusher
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I doubt it. Changing the design of the hardware this late would compromise end of 2013 release date, as that would bring new challenge in terms of board complexity and could compromise yields.
I doubt that part is right. That would mean they are only manufacturing final hardware 4 months before release? Doesn't seem plausible.
So in short Sony is fucked?
You're cherry-picking what you want to hear to make a case you want to be true. I said third parties talked to Sony. Sometimes publicly. What I implied was that an internal team at Sony made a specific case to higher-ups about the memory in the system, which was not 4GB a year ago. Or even six months ago.
Also, if you're living your life on the idea that the Vita isn't one of the biggest disasters of Sony's time in the console space, then I don't know that you can be reasoned with.
360 devkits arrived in august before launch.
phosphor112
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Why? Since when have devkits been finalized months and months before launch? PS3 and 360 had "PC" dev kits up until a month before launch.
There are reports of the new Xbox's SoC already going into production, so really nothing will change now. In fact only after those reports did we start to get some concrete data on the PS4, so it seems Sony have controlled it all very well.
Now it's only about wowing everyone with their new hardware.
Can Crusher
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Fuck no man. Don't let people that have clear emotional investment in this kill your hype.
Everything points to these systems being pretty much on the same level, all things considered.
Sony is in good shape.
Err, ok I thought final kits were a ways away, like this summer.
Isnt that exactly what they did with PS3? ...
Why would you even assume that based on the leaks?
The difference is that all the placeholders components are replaced by final chips that will be found in the retail hardware.
Major things are already set in stone. They could still decide about final working frequencies depending on how the prototype retail units where the hardware is finally put inside a small box, performs.
Same thing goes for the memory system, that has been already decided, memory capacity can be upped only if modules with higher capacity are available so that they can just replace old modules with new ones using the same design. But probably Sony is already working with the highest capacity modulues available so there's no room for that.