That's exactly what they described for the upcoming patch notes - they want to make early game losses less punishing.
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Warhammer 40,000: Dawn of War III |OT| This one really is Warcraft 4
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That's exactly what they described for the upcoming patch notes - they want to make early game losses less punishing.
I hope they succeed. Watching a lot of the ESL gameplay recently and playing a good bit myself, I'm kind of hold on with the game until the patch hits. The early 1v1 game can be really technical and strategic but the early wins don't feel as fun and the losses feel frustrating. I think this game is at its best when you can get into the mid-stage fights.
Vincent Alexander
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Have we not gotten patch notes STILL or am I just blind?
They delayed it to 31.5 because they wanted to nail it.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Ah. Thank you. I really hope they do. I stopped playing last week, just waiting for this patch to drop.
Nah communication was fine post launch, many hotfixes and feedback on bugs etc.
There's just nothing to report until the patch drops I guess!
Can't wait to try out all the shit tomorrow
Nah communication was fine post launch, many hotfixes and feedback on bugs etc.
There's just nothing to report until the patch drops I guess!
Can't wait to try out all the shit tomorrow
Do we have any idea whats included?
allegedly a ladder and some balance adjustments
Ladder is cool.
My days of being in the top 100 of the Dark Crusade ladder are long behind me. My dexterity is too far gone, to consistently compete at that level anymore.
InquisitorAles
Member
I feel i'm missing something. I tried to play few multiplayer matches and unable to play competitive. There is simply not enough resources, i creating 2 basic units and can't build anything else, but enemies are always have huge army even after first five minutes of match. I tried to quickly capture resource points and upgrade them but it feels pointless. What am i doing wrong?
Watch some replays or streams on twitch.
You really have to micro your units and as SM you want to save for ASM.
But everything could change after today so maybe wait until tomorrow
InquisitorAles
Member
I really hate watching streams and replays, so it's not an option for me. Don't know what ASM means either. Campaign was pretty meh and multiplayer feels slow and unfair for me, really a huge disappointment after DoW 1-2 in my opinion.Watch some replays or streams on twitch.
You really have to micro your units and as SM you want to save for ASM.
But everything could change after today so maybe wait until tomorrow
Aangster
Member
Patch out, balance changes: http://steamcommunity.com/games/dawnofwar/announcements/detail/1269299839476608173.
And here in pretty:
https://www.dawnofwar.com/article/patch-notes-may-31-2017
If you don't want to watch then you gotta play more.
It's a very micro intense game in the first phases and you gotta keep your units alive as long as possible
RenegadeXV8
Banned
Good patch overall, but Eldar might have been nerfed a bit too much. I think Webways, Striking Scorpion True Damage and Macha Psyker Blast was all that needed to be addressed for now. I guess we'll see though. Happy Tacs got buffed, much more than I expected too.
edit:so uhh did anyone notice they sneaked in 2 multiplayer maps? 1v1 Mork's Mire, 3v3 Crucible of Vaul. Nvm they're the same maps, just reconfigured for auto-match I guess.
edit 2: Tacs might be a little too good. It's like they got a free +3 Ranged damage and +1 Melee damage upgrade. They absolutely destroy DAs and Shootas now.
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edit 2: Tacs might be a little too good. It's like they got a free +3 Ranged damage and +1 Melee damage upgrade. They absolutely destroy DAs and Shootas now.
Relic's pattern of hatred for Eldar since DoW1 continues, damn son.
Vincent Alexander
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Awesome we got patch notes. I've been googling for them every damn day now.
My two favorite changes:
My two favorite changes:
Damn, that is a big wind back, without nerfing the true damage. I like it.
Post-patch matches have been pretty lame. I am crushing every non-SM player before the 3 minute mark with just tacticals. I used to do the same before the patch, but now it's just loltastic.
This is how things should've worked before. Tacs cost 70 req more and don't come with a nade without doctrines. It was laughable how DA's slaughtered every other T1 unit in the game while being so cheap.
This is how things should've worked before. Tacs cost 70 req more and don't come with a nade without doctrines. It was laughable how DA's slaughtered every other T1 unit in the game while being so cheap.
People need to adapt to the changes still.
They seem to be good! Streamers are playing with all Eldar units now. Orks can be pushed back but their comeback mechanics are insane. You can literally wipe their army and still not necessarily win or even take a shield-gen.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Yeah. I tried playing a match last night for the first time in a while, and the one game I could find the host kept kicking me from. So then I hosted my own, and only 1 person ever joined. I've ended up going back and playing Dawn of War II: Retribution now, since I never finished the campaign for some reason.
http://steamcharts.com/cmp/228200,231430,285190#48h
CoH1 and CoH2 each have more concurrent players than DoW3, quite sad.
CoH2 wasnt great at launch, I'd say it was worse than DoW3 on launch but it still managed to have higher concurrents.
CoH1 and CoH2 each have more concurrent players than DoW3, quite sad.
CoH2 wasnt great at launch, I'd say it was worse than DoW3 on launch but it still managed to have higher concurrents.
Vincent Alexander
Member
Honestly, I started lukewarm on Dawn of War 3 campaign. Then I grew colder. Warmer. Colder. Then warmer, into hot damn. I'm sad the multiplayer community just isn't there, but I can live with the money I spent for the campaign. I love the world and the characters (except Eldar), so I had a good time.
Everyone saw it coming. The age of RTS is over I'm afraid
I wouldn't say that. I feel the issue with the low player numbers is that the game doesn't have much content outside of the campaign and the multiplayer.
There's only one game mode in multiplayer and when you're on the receiving end of the high damage aoe spells it feels really cheap to lose thousands of requisitions worth of units.
He is right, it's the decline of rts. See steel division too for example.
I hate seeing people say rts is dead. This game is dead because they waited years to put out a sequel that is so content starved its insane. As soon as they removed the awesome coop campaign my entire circle of friends cancelled pre orders. Then the couple people who were left saw that last stand wasn't even in the game and it's like how the hell?
You can't wait this long to put out a sequel and then charge a super high price, barely market it, have much less gameplay depth and modes, and expect people to just buy it and wait for patches.
You can't wait this long to put out a sequel and then charge a super high price, barely market it, have much less gameplay depth and modes, and expect people to just buy it and wait for patches.
Evolution of Metal
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The failure of DoW3 is definitely on the flaws of the game design and the content as opposed to the low interest in the genre.
Yeah I think that's pretty accurate, there was barely any hype for the game leading up to release and there's bugger all content for full price.
As with the gameplay I have really big issues with it, there are far too many abilities that can wipe an entire army on its own.
I would prefer if a lot of these spells provided crowd control and no damage and the damage came from your units.
a lot of my issues with the game are echoed in the following video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVkuO-UcB7E
I don't think it's a terrible game, its just average and very sub par compared to Relic's previous releases, which funnily enough have much higher player numbers.
I suspect you have it backwards.
The co-op campaign and Last Stand almost certainly contributed a ton to Dawn of War II's long legs. (Last Stand in particular is the only reason I bothered logging into the game at all after Retribution's launch.) The co-op mode in Starcraft II is getting loads of attention, with new commanders and maps being released every few months even this long after LotV's launch (remember, that game launched in November of 2015).
I would say that competitive multiplayer is important, but the grand majority of any player base is not interested in competitive multiplayer. They'd much rather be able to just jump in and have a good time. 1v1 in particular is usually the least popular game mode for a variety of reasons, up to and including the incredibly high skill cap that goes above and beyond anything you'll find in a MOBA. At least in team modes you can put some of the blame on teammates for not carrying their weight (justified or not - it's a psychological thing), but in a game with as small a player base as this (and Relic games have never had huge player bases), obviously that's not really tenable long-term.
I really think they'd be better-served by going the Starcraft II route and putting a lot of effort into a unique coop game mode with progression mechanics. Much lower barrier of entry, which translates to much greater mass appeal. It's pretty much how I'm playing the game already since I only ever play PvAI at this point, but obviously an actual coop game mode would have more interesting mechanics and more map variety than we have now.
Putting so much emphasis on PvP has, I suspect, contributed greatly to the genre's decline. MOBAs - hell, even fighting games tend to have a lower barrier of entry than RTS games do. I don't think it's any surprise at all that folks just bounce off of the genre when it requires so much investment just to become competent at it, and even moreso when the player base is tiny and consists of only the most dedicated players. It's just not a good look.
the game should've been priced more competitively. had it come with a 4th race or at the very least a much expanded land stand mode, sega could've justified launching at $60 but just barely. no game should have any business selling at that price unless it's a triple a budget title in today's market.
the game will see a majority of its sales through steam sales and if they really knock last stand out the park, it'll be fine. at least i hope so
the game will see a majority of its sales through steam sales and if they really knock last stand out the park, it'll be fine. at least i hope so