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Wii U Update adds Off TV play for Wii mode (but you can't use gamepad to control)
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Moving backwards? How is this moving backwards?
DidntKnowJack
Member
Ok, just got done trying it out. I can confirm 100% that the Gamepad cannot be used as controller for any Wii game or even any Wii VC game. You still need a Wii remote and/or a classic controller.
Hype severely deflated.
Hype severely deflated.
When I use Devolution on the Wii U to play some of my GameCube games, I use the Pro Controller. The Wii didn't have the Pro Controller, yet some hackers figured out how to make it work. They also got the PS3 controller to work as well.
To be fair, I don't believe you know exactly how many hours or development time was placed into this part of the update. I'm certainly not saying that this is perfect by any means. What I am saying is that there's a very glass half-empty approach to thought with the criticism.
One immediate idea for use is not having the ability to use the television that the Wii U is hooked up to... and using a gamepad + stand. Having that option is not a detriment to your gaming abilities.
I've been very critical of Nintendo for the last year, but this is not one of the things that warrants such a vitriolic response.
Mr. Smiley
Member
This could have been an awesome day.
Nothing1016
Member
Doesn't the Wii U basically transform into a Wii when switching to Wii mode? And now it can use the gamepad as a TV with this off-tv feature. It sounds like complications probably interfered with having the gamepad acts as a TV+controller.
Yeah it's more like moving sideways. Like driving on the yellow line.
;Such a weird oversight. Surely someone during development realized this was an issue?
mentalfloss
Banned
DPII support for Wii games!
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
Damn. The fact that they bothered to hack this feature through and release it makes me suspect there's a hardware level issue preventing mapping / spoofing the classic controller.
Hero of Legend
Member
Yeah it's more like moving sideways. Like driving on the yellow line.
Such a weird oversight. Surely someone during development realized this was an issue?
CRAB PEOPLE!!!
Vyse The Legend
Member
Says it all:
What really? Best news if true O__o
Hero of Legend
Member
I would ASSUME since this was even possible that the GamePad CAN be used as a CCPro replacement, surely?
What game is that?
brightsons
Member
Does this update break wii homebrew?
JasoNsider
Member
Being able to play Xenoblade in bed with Gamepad would have been insane. So damn close.
chronos4590
Member
OMG XD, that is some legitimate bullshit that it prompts that Lol
Anyone try the Pro controller yet?
Tatsunoko vs Capcom. The very kind of game you'd want to use this feature with.
Yes I am especially when there are silly posts suggesting that Mario galaxy and skyward sword should now be playable via gamepad.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Why can't I hold all these facepalms.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
The gamepad screen appears to come on even before buttons on the gamepad have function. To me this sounds like a really, really dirty hack to pipe Wii video through the gamepad, but otherwise the Wii mode remains sealed off from touching anything. Including inputs from the buttons on the gamepad.
Yeah it's more like moving sideways. Like driving on the yellow line.
Such a weird oversight. Surely someone during development realized this was an issue?
It's just adding something that was weird to never have. I think if they were relying on Wii games (currently being clearanced out of stores everywhere) being played away from the TV (even though the most popular games would still be unplayable without motion) to stand as a powerful checkpoint on their console than they would've had this feature at launch. People are just reading into it way too deep. It's a cute quirk of the system.
Sorry, stopped watching TV long ago.
Hero of Legend
Member
Headphone jack I think, it really is an Audio OUT port.
Devolution is an emulator, and is subject to both the pros and cons of such an approach. The Wii mode on Wii U is a virtual machine that has, basically, 99.9% compatibility because it turns the Wii U into a Wii. That's why you don't have Gamepad support.
Cbajd5
Member
Wait, does it say that if you try to use the Gamepad? That's kind of neat.
Well yeah, the Gamepad does everything over WiFi while the Wii Remote uses Bluetooth. The best they might be able to do is make the Wii U Pro Controller be recognized as a Classic Controller Pro or something, but if any Classic Controller Pro + Wii Remote set-up's allow for the Wii Remote to still do stuff then it probably wouldn't work either.
Uh. Devolution is a USB loader, not an emulator...
Thanks for answering.
Looking back on it; this really is a sidestep. I was only thinking about games that needed motion control like SMG and Skyward Sword but then I remembered games like Xenoblade where you don't need the Wiimote at all.
TheCongressman1
Member
This just pisses me off immensely. If this is the end of the line for Wii on gamepad possibility, then this was a huge waste of resources.
Yeah, I'm going to try Tri (HA) after this LONG update installs (40mins
At the very least, this eliminates upscaling as it's basically native-res on the GamePad.
Also, the Pad can have a stand, so you don't have to play on your lap.
But why would you even want to play a Wii game on the controller pad screen in the first place?
I'm still getting a WiiU for Bayonetta 2 when it comes out. But this update has me completely dumb struck.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Then what was the fuckin' point
was someone seriously asking to play with their little Wiimote on Off-TV play
like what the hell great use of resources here
So Wii mode is something else then, it has now access to WiiU resources? It would be interesting if now the Homebrew scene can find out more uses for the Gamepad, Devolution already support a lot of controller options, so maybe djTuei can hack the thing to use in Gamecube games.
Hmm. The idea is great, and a good extension of what the system is about. The execution is a little middling though, hopefully they can add in Gamepad support to Wii games that didn't rely on the Wii Remote as much.
It's not an emulator. It does exactly what the Wii U does when entering Wii Mode. It makes the Wii U that thinks it's a Wii think it's a GameCube. No emulation at all.
There's a lot. First of which is highjacking the input process to remap the controls. Very non-trivial in a compatibility mode but let's just leave that part alone. The next problem is you introduce config hell. What does pressing left on the analog stick even mean? Wiimote left? Wiimote up (vertical orientation)? CC stick Left? GCN stick left? Nunchuck Left? That has to be determined by the user and certainly it's not obvious for an end user who may not understand what control type the software is even designed to use because it's a complete mess. And it needs to have permutations with and without peripherals because those attachment events matter too and you need a way to emulate that. After all that we still need to map it to a port, GCN 1-4 or Wii 1-4. But even after all that maybe only a fraction of Wii games would actually work without expecting a Wii Remote with IR (IR emulation via touch being yet another can of worms). Essentially, it a highly technical feature that deeply depends on the user knowing exactly how they want to play and knowing what the software expects. It's a problem where a little bit of thought makes you understand there's a lot more involved here. It's not impossible but there are deep problems.
One constant theme about the system is that they expand upon features constantly. It's always a possibility for a future update.
It allows you to remap controls, emulate (<----) memory cards, & load various things on top of the regular game.
Vyse The Legend
Member
I don't have a CC pro to test if that works, but I sincerely doubt it. This seems to lock out all the buttons and ports on the Gamepad. You can't even got back to the home screen from the Gamepad.