MoogleWizard
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I actually prefer it this way, I couldn't care less about achievements. I wish I could turn trophies off on my PS3, I'd rather have in-game rewards than little icons and *bing* sounds popping up during gameplay.
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Wii U will not have system-wide achievements
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Palette Swap
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I can't imagine you've ever seen a Steam achievement or PS3 trophy notification to call them "flashy UI over-the-top".
You do realize that the achievement system predates Halo 3 by 2 years and COD didn't have its current weight until 2007 too?
But you can chose to not look at that at all its not forced in your face.
Surely ninty couldve taken the catch all look and did what 360 has been doing for years allowing achievements but also allowing the user to have complete control and remove nearly all trace of them from there gaming.
By the same reasoning, WiiU doesn't need HD graphics or the tablet controller too.
"Playing the game like you should"? Who decides how I want to play through the game, you? If I choose to play Mega Man X without using sub-weapons or picking up items, that isn't me not playing the game like I should, it's me choosing how I want to play the game.
In Deus Ex Human Revolution, having the trophy list isn't telling me how I should play the game. Its telling me I have the option of beating the game while trying not to kill anyone, as an extra challenge. Whether you try to go for it or not isn't something the devs forced on me, I can still choose to go in guns blazing at any time I want.
Can you turn off achievement pop-ups on the 360 without also turning off pop-ups for friends signing in, messages etc?
I'll just treat it like my Wii. Will buy down the road for the exclusives, play them through till I'm satisfied, then never touch the console again.
Call me a trophy whore or whatever, but I love having them in. It gives me a reason to replay a game, or section. It tells my friends I did such and such thing, which is handy.
Nintendo will be fine without them, hell, they'll probably repeat this gen, and be top console again. Just dont get why they dont want such a system in place.
Call me a trophy whore or whatever, but I love having them in. It gives me a reason to replay a game, or section. It tells my friends I did such and such thing, which is handy.
Nintendo will be fine without them, hell, they'll probably repeat this gen, and be top console again. Just dont get why they dont want such a system in place.
Backfoggen
Banned
Does the game force the achievement list in your face when you first start it? Nope and it's quite easy to ignore them afterwards.
And if I finish a game and want to keep playing I look at the achievements and if they're interesting enough I use them as an incentive to keep playing.
If people have problems with OCD and feel the need to always get every achievement in every game ever or get as many in a playthrough as they can, then that's their personal bump they got to get over.
fabricated backlash
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But it is influencing a lot of people. Hell I noticed it myself, the feeling that once a game is done 1000/1000 i rarely see reason to go back to it.
Achievements and Trophies have clear benefits but also detrimental effects.
Would a system wide achievement system make sense? Probably, but I think with Miiverse being basically a native gaming themed facebook/twitter feed, the setup is more open and rewards creative achievements more than going through a bucket list to "complete" a game.
Again, doing this on a device that isn't the console is cumbersome and akin to Nintendos friendcodes. It's all kinds of cumbersome.
The social aspects of Miiverse are independent of the software. While they can be built into a game, even when they aren't you'll still have the ability to take screenshots and post about what you've accomplished. So, yes, it can be considered standard.
Blame that on the game itself not interesting you enough to replay it, not on Achievements. I play games I love that I've already gotten platinums for all the time. If a game was shallow enough that I was only interested in squeezing the 100% of it and moving on, why should I go back to it?
How is it less cumbersome on the Wii U? By posting "challenges" there, I'm limiting my challenge to people who have the Wii U version of a game. On GAF/Twitter/Tumblr/etc, I can post the same challenge publically and it'll be seen by more people not bound to just the console. What you call cumbersome, I call redundant.
I dont get how everyone here think everyone cares about the "bragging rights" part of them. I just want to see what others have played. If one guy has 2 games and one is COD , while another guy has 20 different games, its telling of what type of gamer he is. Who would you befriend? I guess if there isn't a 'games played' system, we won't know.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
This should be bolded, and even then we're not even sure on its extent.
Wasn't talking about them, I don't use Steam much and not even play any digital games anyways, nor PS, I just saw X360 because most trailers happend to be in that version.
Im not sure you can go that deep, but as you say you can turn off notifications and sounds so you would have removed all distractions to your gaming time.
Thats what i will miss the most, i dont care about numbers i care about being able to see what people have played and done in games.
I want to see pop-ups from friends. I don't want to see achievements. If I can't set it up like that, then Achievements are forced on me.
Is there a pop up on wii u when a friend signs in?.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Isn't that what miiverse is all about anyway?
Well it spoils the general population - only those who can detect it's harmful effect can avoid it.
Starctaft 2 also has this problem, achivements are total bs, since every single one of them gives you 10 points, no matter how hard or easy it is, only category-complete achievement gives you 20 - useless. It's a gimmick, it doesn't work.
Citation needed. What's stoping developers from doing cheats now? The games that DO have cheats simply disable Achievements while they're on.
No, those simply don't understand.
Game software can do whatever it wants to do, Nintendo doesn't tell developers about this, it's their choice, no matter if there is system-wide achievement support or not.
what
So blame Blizzard for their shitty implementation of achievements in Starcraft 2, not the whole concept of them.
Alcoholikaust
Member
Not a deal breaker for most- but my gaming ego is now pumping the brakes on a day one purchase.
Yup they matter for me. :/
Yup they matter for me. :/
You're assuming this affects the majority of people rather than completionists or those with addictive personalities? Gosh, you really want to make this bigger than it actually is.
Devs have access to Miiverse and can use it to share achievements online. In fact, since that's essentially advertising for their games, I don't see why publishers wouldn't be pushing devs to include at least basic Miiverse functionality. It's not like asking them to make a Sony @Home virtual world or whatever.
TheLastCandle
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Pretty much.
Achievements/Trophies.
Decade ago additional content like challenges and cheats to unlock was big reason to replay game or play it many times more than 1 or sections of it. You were unlocking additional characters (like in Tekken 3), fun cheat codes skins and more (THPS2, AvP) additional hidden levels (fury in AVP1) that was huge factor when it comes to xxx hours spent.
Now they have a list of Achievements/Trophies and they fill it. You can count only few games that managed to do something more than just A/T with GTA4 being worst offender. GTA3/Vice City had tons of things to find and look out for and city was smaller than GTA4 and yet they gave you fucking pidgeons and stunt jumps.
They auto-assume that trphy whores are people who did play to get cheats which is wrong assumtion.
I dont think there is a detailed history kept of games played etc by friends?.
BurnOutBrighter
Banned
First shitty Blops voice chat and now no achievements.
Nice work getting hardcore gamers on board, Ninty.
Nice work getting hardcore gamers on board, Ninty.
Yeah like Blizzard was only one that has problem. Most of developers now use A/T as just filler insted of using it to enrich experience.
Concept is superb but in practic it failed what it supposed to do (giving players same cheat options unlockables and overall more H in their favorite game)
Wait whats this about shitty blops voice chat?.
this.
I'll ask again. What proof is there that Achievements lead to devs not including those extra features you speak of?
Hell, you can pin the blame on more likely things before you even reach achievements. Rising dev costs leading to less content in games. DLC giving developers an incentive to offer that previously unlockable content for more money. Content creators not wanting any of their precious work locked away where it runs the risk of people never finding it. Devs simply not caring to implement cheats in their games anymore.
Developers that actually care about unlockable content and cheats still put them in their games, even in modern games. Games on older consoles also exist that are as "trimmed" as games released today. Achievements have nothing to do with it.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
Yes.
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