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Wired play through all of Too Human
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pedrothelion
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You've omitted the positive things that he did mention about the game and overstated the way that he described the negatives. Also it's important to note (it's been mentioned by several others) that this is a ARPG which tends to be repetitive and short by traditional rpg standards. The whole point in games like this (Diablo, PSO etc.) is replay and loot.rhino4evr said:
Opus Angelorum
Member
domokunrox said:
Wow.
GauntletFan
Banned
Busty said:
Seeing as you can complete MGS4 in under 3 hours already, I don't think it needs condensing any more
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
Yaweee said:
When Valve do it they end up making some of the best games ever. But in all fairness most companies go the Lionhead rout.
Frank the Great
Banned
I'll probably still give the game a chance no matter what - I have faith in SK to at least deliver a quality experience, even if it's a short one. Besides, I LOVED Eternal Darkness and that got mixed reviews.
Speaking of which...If you're reading this Dennis, Eternal Darkness 2 please!!
Speaking of which...If you're reading this Dennis, Eternal Darkness 2 please!!
duckroll said:
Well, I'd have preferred if they kept it one game of course, but I said it's good insofar that it's longer than I expected it to be, after reading that they had already planned to split it into 3 from the start. This was in one of the earliest Too Human previews, possibly the one with Shane from EGM.
Confidence Man
Member
Spirit of Jazz said:
It sounds like the same thing they did with ED, having only a few different enemies, just changing up their color/attack. Pretty weak, IMO.
Orlics said:
Yeah but they also said that the reason they were making shorter games in a trilogy is so they can get each game out faster and not spend 3-4 years making a single game. How did that turn out?
FIREBABY said:
I don't see what's so funny. I'm serious. People need to cut the crap. Too Human didn't take 10 years to develop. The IP has just been in existance in some form or other for 10 years. But it's still taking a really long that. At least 3 years of dev time for this game.
pedrothelion said:
Ok, fair enough. The positives I read were all countered by negatives. So..I wouldn't get too excited.
For example:
Building your character starts to become fun...but then the game ends.
The story starts to get good----then the game ends
The combat is a main focus.....but it's repeative and somewhat frustrating.
Co-op is not mentioned and im sure that will be a huge draw for most.
Were there any positive impressions that didn't have counter problems?
Im still going to rent this, but based on these impressions alone. I won't be buying.
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
Tom Penny said:
There is your first mistake. Too Human may have RPG elements, but it has always been a singleplayer story driven experience.
I wont pretend to act that I'm not disappointed by the 10 hour finish, but with that said, there have been many games this gen that people have told me they've finished in 14 hours that have taken me 30 or more. People said to me that Mass Effect was a short game too and I'm on my third playthrough about 29 hours in and I've only done 2 missions that are critical to advancing the story.
Eden Prime and the human colony that had that gigantic alien plant on it. Rest have been random assignments. If it really ends up being a 10 hour game then I hope those 10 hours are great. My biggest reason for being interested is the story. Plus, as others have mentioned, they said quite a while go they were splitting the game up into parts.
pedrothelion
Member
To me the game play looks infinitely more fun then PSO. IMO it looks like your basic ARPG with mouse clicks replaced by pointing with the directional stick. I still think that the 2 player co-op is hugely disappointing. Hopefully a demo comes out soon.pn18 said:
What's so funny is the Superman Returns reference. Not laughing at you, but if the game is that bad I'll explode in a fit of anger and laughter. Sad that you are serious though. I do agree with you on the time thing. Stop blaming the time and blame the dev at hand. Still for the game though.duckroll said:
Kitschkraft
Member
Why are people desperately trying to compare this to Lair? A game that, for all intents and purposes, people thought was going to be good well up until it's release, and that, the Publisher behind it had placed quite a bit of emphasis on?
If Mass Effect had sucked, that would have been comparable to Lair.
We all know that TH isn't a killer app at this point.
Anyways, I'm not a fan of this type of game at all so I could really care less, however, for the record, I don't think people should be placing so much emphasis on how long it takes other people to beat games. I think that if you run through it, you can be just about any game in a days time.
If Mass Effect had sucked, that would have been comparable to Lair.
We all know that TH isn't a killer app at this point.
Anyways, I'm not a fan of this type of game at all so I could really care less, however, for the record, I don't think people should be placing so much emphasis on how long it takes other people to beat games. I think that if you run through it, you can be just about any game in a days time.
Spirit of Jazz
Banned
rhino4evr said:
Hence you replay the game to improve them further, even we a friend! That kind of is the main selling point of the game, beyond the story that according to one person it's fallen flat in.
FIREBABY said:
Well, it's true! Superman Returns went through a gazillion directors and rewrites and having actors attached on and off over many many years. But the actual film didn't take all those years to make or film. Too Human is the same way. Of course I'm sure lots of people don't want this to turn out the same way as Superman Returns......
clutha said:
Some games, yes, but that hasn't been Nintendo's norm in recent years. OoT had a long public development cycle, as did Goldeneye.
Both companies have been more secretive for current-gen than the previous two.
No, none of their crap has been in the same league as Too Human's delays, but nothing has been except Duke Nukem Forever. Furthermore, part of the entire problem with Too Human was that they were forced to go public when Dyack did not.
duckroll said:
Agreed. The game probably took 3 or 4 years to make realistically.
That said, I don't mind 10 hours if its 10 FUN hours. However, the deterimental factor here is how repeatitive the gameplay turns out to be - this could make or break the game for me.
As before, I won't touch this game unless it gets generally favourable reviews - and if that article is to go by - things don't seem to be shaping up positively for DD and co.
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
From the Wired Blog
Too Human's campaign in a little over ten hours, and the story of cybernetically-enhanced Norse gods ends with a cliffhanger.
This surprises me since I thought all 3 games would feel like a complete experience, but then it doesn't surprise me that SOME aspect of the story had to end in a cliffhanger.
No, Too Human is not the story-driven Silicon Knights title that we the long-suffering fans of Eternal Darkness have been waiting for these last five years.
If it isn't story driven, then it's nothing at all. So, I wont believe this line until I play for myself. Judging from the statements he made, it seems the game really is story driven, just probably not to the degree that he was expecting. Or not to the degree of Eternal Darkness?
Too Human does have a story, and it's told well. Baldur's interaction with the rest of the pantheon of Norse gods and goddesses never fails to be riveting, mostly because of judicious editing. The story scenes are not especially lengthy, but the writing is tight and the plot takes some very intriguing twists and turns.
I really like the sound of this line.
Sadly, one of the game's main story hooks -- the fact that Baldur is torn between keeping his human characteristics or cybernetically enhancing himself -- doesn't get a whole lot of screen time.
Not surprised because this is the first of 3 games. Each game is suppose to have an entirely different central theme and come the end of the entire trilogy you're suppose to get the impression of what it really means to be human. I believe the theme of game one is discovery, then the theme of the second game is revenge?
Too Human's campaign in a little over ten hours, and the story of cybernetically-enhanced Norse gods ends with a cliffhanger.
This surprises me since I thought all 3 games would feel like a complete experience, but then it doesn't surprise me that SOME aspect of the story had to end in a cliffhanger.
No, Too Human is not the story-driven Silicon Knights title that we the long-suffering fans of Eternal Darkness have been waiting for these last five years.
If it isn't story driven, then it's nothing at all. So, I wont believe this line until I play for myself. Judging from the statements he made, it seems the game really is story driven, just probably not to the degree that he was expecting. Or not to the degree of Eternal Darkness?
Too Human does have a story, and it's told well. Baldur's interaction with the rest of the pantheon of Norse gods and goddesses never fails to be riveting, mostly because of judicious editing. The story scenes are not especially lengthy, but the writing is tight and the plot takes some very intriguing twists and turns.
I really like the sound of this line.
Sadly, one of the game's main story hooks -- the fact that Baldur is torn between keeping his human characteristics or cybernetically enhancing himself -- doesn't get a whole lot of screen time.
Not surprised because this is the first of 3 games. Each game is suppose to have an entirely different central theme and come the end of the entire trilogy you're suppose to get the impression of what it really means to be human. I believe the theme of game one is discovery, then the theme of the second game is revenge?
pedrothelion
Member
I will say that the direction they took the story is disappointing. As far as the other two complaints that you mentioned those are both inherent in ARPG game play. You complete the game (usually between 10-15 hours) and then you replay it with the same character it on a harder difficulty to level up and grind for better loot. Combat is always repetitive with ARPG.rhino4evr said:
duckroll said:Well, it's true! Superman Returns went through a gazillion directors and rewrites and having actors attached on and off over many many years. But the actual film didn't take all those years to make or film. Too Human is the same way. Of course I'm sure lots of people don't want this to turn out the same way as Superman Returns......
I actually liked Superman Returns.
but I understand your point. Saying this has been in development for 10 years is stupid. It's more like 3-4. The reason there is so much hype is directly related to the amount of praise from Dyack's mouth in interviews, his posts on this board, and his childlike reaction to criticism. The whole thing has turned me off a bit. It's a shame because I loved ED.
From an enthusiast's standpoint:
1. Length of development cycle? = irrelevant.
2. Length of game? = irrelevant.
3. Is it an enjoyable experience? = this.
Is anyone really surprised by this preview? If you've been following along, this would only seem to confirm what most of us were expecting.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
1. Length of development cycle? = irrelevant.
2. Length of game? = irrelevant.
3. Is it an enjoyable experience? = this.
Is anyone really surprised by this preview? If you've been following along, this would only seem to confirm what most of us were expecting.
Not necessarily a bad thing.
CowboyAstronaut said:
I'm not too surprised that it ends on a cliffhanger, I mean you have to ship the game eventually right? :lol
I'll be surprised if it's not really story-driven though. Every Silicon Knights game has been in some way, and if this isn't as story-drive as Legacy of Kain it'll just be totally disappointing. I really don't think Silicon Knights fans are looking forward to the game for the -action gameplay- which they've never been very good at anyway.
Sounds on par with every other SK game. The actual writing and delivery is always pretty ace, even if other things are rough around the corners.
I dunno, the article already states that the "human or cybernetic" hook is just a gameplay decision you make early in the game that is pretty much one or the other. It also has no effect on the story whatsoever. That's really, really disappointing because even way back when it was a 4 disc cyberpunk thriller on the PS1, the idea that appealed to me the most was the concept of a main character that makes gameplay decisions throughout the game that can be balanced between being more machine-like and having much strong raw physical power or remaining more human and using weapons and skills that require more thought.
Since the co-op got gimped though, nothing really surprises me anymore. They probably just had to cut stuff out when they realized that MS actually expects them to ship the game, lawsuit or otherwise. Oh well, tough.
flintstryker
Banned
yea but its Mr. Dyack's game which means he already knew where everything wasrhino4evr said:
CowboyAstronaut
Banned
from Wird Blog
It sounds like SK, did a good job all things considered. I actually like the line about him feeling he had to go into the control manual. It gives me hope that you'll be finding out quite a bit of new things. I'm eager to see what others say about the game.
No pop-in, all loading times concealed, smooth framerate. No gaps between story and gameplay. Sounding good.
Seems there are also a lot of drops and, as expected, I'll be spending a lot of time messing with his stats and equipment.
It sounds like SK, did a good job all things considered. I actually like the line about him feeling he had to go into the control manual. It gives me hope that you'll be finding out quite a bit of new things. I'm eager to see what others say about the game.
No pop-in, all loading times concealed, smooth framerate. No gaps between story and gameplay. Sounding good.
Seems there are also a lot of drops and, as expected, I'll be spending a lot of time messing with his stats and equipment.
Dunlop said:
Whatever genius took Bryan Singer away from doing X-Men 3 and put him on Superman Returns needs to be tar and feathered.
instead we ended up with 2 shitty superhero movies that summer
Personal opinion of course....
I'm pretty sure the genius was Bryan Singer himself.
Also, Apt Pupil still rocks.
/end derail
Shame on you! They took 1 of the greatest characters in comics and turned it into 2hr joke. Now if SK has done that with one of my favorite characters in Norse mythology, I'll be the first to grab the torch and pitchfork. There has been plenty of over hyped games released the past year. So Denis pimping his own game and tring to defend it should be looked at no different. If it sucks it will fit in right the rest of the overhyped games. Even though I will still get the game I'm not hyped for it the way I was for some of these blockbuster games. And they all have disappointed the hell out of me. So while my my hype is lowered for Too Human, it leaves more room for something special if its there. Lowered expectations FTW.rhino4evr said:
Kobun Heat
Member
Hey guys. So just to clear this up: I wouldn't say I tried to get through the game as fast as I could, as I did pretty much all the optional stuff in between missions. What I didn't do was go back to any previous levels to grind, nor did I spend very much time crafting or fiddling with runes or anything like that.
The point that I'm trying to make isn't that a ten-hour game is somehow unacceptable -- I like ten-hour games -- but that Too Human ends just as things are seemingly ramping up. I was genuinely shocked when the credits started rolling. I thought there were at least two levels and some kind of huge confrontation left.
The point that I'm trying to make isn't that a ten-hour game is somehow unacceptable -- I like ten-hour games -- but that Too Human ends just as things are seemingly ramping up. I was genuinely shocked when the credits started rolling. I thought there were at least two levels and some kind of huge confrontation left.