ASM2 making $600 million makes you sad? huh
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ASM2 making $600 million makes you sad? huh
What's weird is that there's only been one theatrically released Godzilla film in the US between these two, and that was Godzilla 2000, which was just a foreign pick-up for Sony.
Since no one has answered this instead of repeating the same 'lol waifu rhetoric' i'll do it.
Musicals came viable again after Les Mis' success. Frozen has had an EXCEPTIONALLY well recieved dub by notable actress and the movie is targetted at women. So basically, its the soundtrack. Its topped sales and karaoke charts.
Spiderman will make it to 700m worldwide maybe, but they are going to pay dearly for how awfully this one was received when the third one debuts.
ASM2 may catch Cap2 worldwide thanks to international, but Cap 3 will destroy the next Spiderman more than likely. Word of mouth and reception on them have been the polar opposite of one another.
ASM2 may catch Cap2 worldwide thanks to international, but Cap 3 will destroy the next Spiderman more than likely. Word of mouth and reception on them have been the polar opposite of one another.
The funny thing about that Godzilla curse comment is that the Emmerich version adjusts to $230M domestic and probably around $600M worldwide. Basically what this movie is set to do.
Besides being mediocre, Godzilla's real box office crime has more to do with it following up Independence Day which made over $800M back when that was good for #2 of all time.
Besides being mediocre, Godzilla's real box office crime has more to do with it following up Independence Day which made over $800M back when that was good for #2 of all time.
I'd still go with the waifu theory.
After 5 weekends foreign:
TASM: $413m
TASM2: $461m
TASM China: 0
TASM2 China: $78m
TASM minus China = $413m
TASM2 minus China = $383m
China is carrying this movie on its back. It's flopping everywhere else.
And China has X-Men opening next weekend with one of China's biggest stars in it.
TheMan
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it's only down about 7 percent without china. is that really a flop?
The movie needs like $900 million to break even. It will be lucky if it passes $700 million worldwide. Yeah its a flop. Not Lone Ranger or John Carter bad but sill bad.
Hot Coldman
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Now they can do a Hollywood remake of Final Wars.
IncandescentPrecept
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$900 to break even? Where the hell did you hear that from?
http://www.deadline.com/2014/04/amazing-spider-man-2-box-office-international-launch/
ASM2's budget was $250 million, plus around $180 million extra spent on marketing. That's
$430 million total. Remember get roughly 50% of ticket sales (sometimes less from International markets depending on what deals were made). So then ASM needs to make about $860 million to break even. Note that the marketing figure is estimate, no one knows exactly so it could be more...
Fox Mulder
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I usually wait for home releases these day even for things I'll enjoy, but I'm going to see it in theater just to experience the sound.
The same article says $750 would net them ~20% profit.
HalfBakedProphet
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its tracking around 125 for the 4 day weekend
Skinny Pete
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Glad Godzilla performed. I liked it despite some issues. Would definitely love to see a sequel, which seems like a lock now.
People keep forgetting that Product Placement actually brings quite some cash for movie studios...
ASM2 is not a flop, it's a disappointment based on Sony's expectation. It will still make money. ASM3 is in deep shit though.
Also, anyone saying Avatar 2 making 1.4 billion is a failure is insane.
It will be said if that happens.
EDIT: On the Boxoffice.com forums you have people calling the Hobbit movies "The Floppit" and those films were both over $950M
Discotheque
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Avatar 2 makes at least Avengers money.
Probably worldwide. I'm not sure about domestic.
IncandescentPrecept
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ZeroGravity
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You don't spend hundreds and hundreds of millions on a blockbuster to make a small profit. ASM2 is definitely a flop, made worse by the fact that Marvel gets to rake in all the merchandising money from it while Sony gets nothing under the new deal.
Some of GAF likes to spin this flop thing hard. Just accept that the movie is gonna make Sony money lol.
IncandescentPrecept
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You're forgetting home video money. According to the-numbers.com, TAS grossed $82M in DVD and Blu-Ray sales in the US alone.
This.
Messofanego
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Cinema just for the ear-shattering roar whose power can't be replicated on any home sound system.
I've learned by now to accept when people trumpet flops in these threads, most of the time have no idea what they're talking about.
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AdventureRacing
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It's a huge flop. When you invest 400+ million into a project just 'making money' isn't enough for something to be successful. It's not going to send sony broke or something but there is no doubt they would be very disappointed in what ASM2 is bringing in. It's incredible just how tarnished the spiderman IP is.
Edit: Spiderman was once the biggest superhero in terms of box office. Now it's struggling to match captain america, you're crazy if you think sony doesn't have higher aspirations than that.
People forgot that this is all Hollywood accounting. They say that it needs to make $900 million or whatever amount to break seven, which is completely false.
When they do shit like this, they can basically not pay a lot of people as they can claim that the movie has made no profit. The most classic example being Darth Vader's actor not being paid for the first Star Wars film, as they claimed it did not make any profit. The studio insisted it went into negative. The budget was around $30 million, and made close to $500 in theatres.
When they do shit like this, they can basically not pay a lot of people as they can claim that the movie has made no profit. The most classic example being Darth Vader's actor not being paid for the first Star Wars film, as they claimed it did not make any profit. The studio insisted it went into negative. The budget was around $30 million, and made close to $500 in theatres.
1000 Branches
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$196 million?!?!?
Isn't that better than what The Dark Knight Rises managed, even?
Isn't that better than what The Dark Knight Rises managed, even?
plantedunicorn
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I wouldn't call Spider Man 2 a flop per se but it's definitely a disappointment. All you have to do is look at what the sequels to other superhero movies. Begins to Dark Knight, Iron Man to 2, Cap to Cap 2, Thor to Thor 2. Not only did those movies increase their domestic take, they also increased internationally.
Spider man 2 is barely going to cross 200 mil in the US and is probably gonna end up grossing the same overall as the 1st movie. No one at Sony is gonna be happy about those numbers staying stagnant not when the domestic number for the first one wasn't that impressive and somehow the sequel is gonna gross less in the states.
They really have their work cut out for them with the 3rd movie. The reception to the 2nd movie will probably have a negative effect on the 3rd movie.
Edit: Ignore the Iron Man to Iron Man 2 comment.
Spider man 2 is barely going to cross 200 mil in the US and is probably gonna end up grossing the same overall as the 1st movie. No one at Sony is gonna be happy about those numbers staying stagnant not when the domestic number for the first one wasn't that impressive and somehow the sequel is gonna gross less in the states.
They really have their work cut out for them with the 3rd movie. The reception to the 2nd movie will probably have a negative effect on the 3rd movie.
Edit: Ignore the Iron Man to Iron Man 2 comment.
Hollywood accounting only applies to royalties due to actors, directors, etc. They tell the actors that they need to pay their subsidiaries and parents money so there is no money left for actors. It does not apply to this subject.
It is like tax accounting. Google reports billions of profit to shareholders (financial accounting), but only reports very little profit to governments like France (because they tell France that they need to pay money to subsidiaries/parents in Ireland, etc.) and there is little left for the French government to tax.
Just a nitpick, but Iron Man 2 was slightly down on the first movie domestically.
plantedunicorn
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Oh my bad. I have no idea why I just assumed otherwise.
It was $318M to $312M so it is more of a technicality than anything.
Glad for Godzilla. I watched it in IMAX, and I was impressed. Not the best movie, sure, but I enjoyed it about as much as I enjoyed Pacific Rim. Hopefully the blu-Ray goes on sale on Black Friday like PR's did.
The movie will sound amazing on my home theater
It's GAF and a Sony product. The vast majority here will defend it no matter what.
The movie will sound amazing on my home theater
It's GAF and a Sony product. The vast majority here will defend it no matter what.
Where did I say they didn't have higher hopes for it? I said it will make them money, which it will when it's all said and done. You guys can keep pretending it won't with bullshit estimations, but they have already announced a sequel and spinoffs (which I'm sure won't have Spider-Man budgets.. I'm still not sure if those will even do well). I don't see them announcing those if they were unsure whether or not this film would make profit.
It's even got to the point where we're blaming one region for the films success (China). Lol.
If you can see the spectacle that it is in Imax, definitely do that. Especially for the guaranteed quality of the sound.
For those who did see it in Imax
Did everyone get that special Imax intro that ended with Godzilla's roar?
Yup. Very nice touch.
Leave the console wars bullshit on gaming side. People actively ridicule Sony in OT, especially their mishandling of Spider-Man.
Tricky I Shadow
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Trashy? Please. It's anything but and completely deserves the success.
IncandescentPrecept
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Can you quantify how much profit it needs to make?
Spider-Man was once the biggest superhero because it was one of the first done right. This is the fifth movie on its franchise. Franchise fatigue is bound to happen.
Say that to Batman 6 and 7
It's in my top 200 animated films.
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