Never did MS imagine that their Xbox One name could be warped in so many appropriate ways.
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Xbone PR: the 60 Minute Family Plan Revelation
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Never did MS imagine that their Xbox One name could be warped in so many appropriate ways.
They have no real incentive to implement such a system now. Neither does Sony or anyone else.
If they had gone all-digital, lending games would have been possible on the PS4 but not on the Xbox. So there was a huge incentive to make it work. That's why they already hinted at a future lending system.
Now no one has a lending system for digital games and chances are they won't create one out of the kindness of their hearts.
Why would they? The features are all dead so any rumors can never be truly confirmed. No site is going to investigate something that was never clarified. But it all fits. Letting people share a single game purchase with multiple people on a system that killed used games to save the industry? Would have done far more damage without extreme limits like this.
semiconscious
Member
'teamxbox: where the truth has no clout'
...improved, unbroken link:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/124970-Microsofts-Yusuf-Mehdi-We-Need-To-Educate-Consumers
King Beyond the wall
Member
Lol. CBoat is well recognised as an industry insider who has consistently leaked information that has been 100% right.
I can't MS fans would believe that the new Xbox would have allowed them to share their full games with 10 other people. The Raison D'être of the Xbox one was to restrict used game sales, but suddenly they don't mind allowing anyone in the world to share a game with 10 other people anywhere in the world?
CurlySaysX
Banned
I guess you could say Microsoft was ready to scoogle it's fanbase.
clay_ghost
Member
I wonder if they are still hiding anything behind xboxone.
They think MS was saving the industry, and hide behind cliffy B. whenever you criticize them.
Some people are going to cling to this all generation long.
I said it the second someone started pointing it out... no way Microsoft was going to make anti-consumer move after anti-consumer move and then suddenly be all "la la la, wonderful magical fairyland of open free games for anyone you want up to 10 people, unlimited, hooray!"
It just didn't fit the narrative that Microsoft themselves have built through their endless fuck-ups, and it definitely didn't make sense from the perspective of a "victimized company" who was supposedly doing this so "publishers and developers" could make money on used games and not just Gamestop. It just would have created a new clusterfuck for developers and publishers.
So yeah, I never believed it, but it honestly is the last cherry on top of a shit sandwich them trying to deceive the game community on something this big. I really am hesitant to even want to get an Xbox One at all next-gen now. I have to really weigh my options on that one... maybe at the very end of the gen now.
King Beyond pretty much says it. CBOAT is an insider who is almost always right about the information he brings out.
call_kotaku
Member
Even outside of whatever policies that might impact me directly or affect the industry as a whole, it's pretty clear that X1 is just a place where Microsoft can continue fighting a proxy war against Google and Apple for the living room (which it will probably lose). After how confused and incompetent their messaging has been and how out of touch with users they seem to be I don' t have much confidence that MS can make the platform do anything compelling. I'm hesitant to buy into what might end up being MS's digital Afghanistan.
TacticalFox88
Banned
Which is hilarious because I can imagine the execs at those companies sitting down drinking some wine, scoffing and saying...
"Deeze mofos..."
Heh, what a surprise, CBOAT carries no clout on the site that gave birth to Arthur Gies.
He is lying or being willfully ignorant. Full blown production apps have been downloaded for ages as free trials with many features turned off until you pay up. A free trial was synonymous with a demo then and still holds up now.
There is no reason we should defend anyone with semantics arguments.
Rebel Leader
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I doubt that
zomgbbqftw
Banned
It wasn't a defence, well I don't think. Just an observation that Greenberg isn't technically lying, just obfuscating.
Actually all of the statements made about this sharing mode lends credence to this idea of a 60 minute timer, nothing from MS comes out and says that 10 people can play the full game to completion or in the same manner as the owner would play. It's all been "check it out" and such language which is pretty vague and would lead people to think that it would be the full experience as the owner but MS wouldn't be lying when it turned out to be on a 1h timer.
There's something I could say here as a counterpoint. Though as I sit here and ask myself why should I be defending MS indirectly; all I can think of is that they burned up all the respect I had for them.
Whatever.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yep. How many more times does Microsoft have to rub it's fans faces in feces for them to wake up and stop supporting this company and their Xbox?
Wow that really makes it even worse, even if it's not going to happen now. The simple fact that again MS tried to deceive everyone by withholding the whole information is so shady while they 100% knew people were already getting their hopes up.
Seriously MS, wtf are you doing? How can anyone trust them, like at all.
Seriously MS, wtf are you doing? How can anyone trust them, like at all.
So we have a third source for the story, although the restrictions were work in progess and you maybe could have played more than one 1 hour session but it was still somehow limited.
Guess we are done now.
everyday math
Banned
Simple yet perfect.
PetriP-TNT
Member
Expected one people at a time at best but 60 min demos? Whoa
I like the idea of - if there are a decent number of exclusives which I'm sure there will be - pick up a used xbox one in 2-3 years and used copies of those games, and play them offline. So MS don't get any of your money or any online fees and you don't contribute to their online stats.
SneakyStephan
Banned
'but what if I only care about the games'
It's like the wife of the wifebeater alcoholic who stays with him because he sometimes whispers sweet nothings in her ear while he fucks her up the arse.
without online checks someone could play a 60 minutes demo at the same time as you played the game! That would truly be over delivering on value.
Neoriceisgood
Member
I'm still waiting for the eventual reveal that the entire thing was simply the framework for a large pyramid sceme.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Yeah, I don't get this unending devotion some gamers have where they can be kicked in the nuts over and over again, but will take it because of some games. There's plenty of other companies offering the same exact thing, and in most cases better. Take your money elsewhere, and let these guys rot.
Oh yeah, hadn't considered this. The reason why the feature had to go away is because they were no longer checking up on you. Also plays into the "remote users must check online each hour instead of every 24 hours" feature.
It's looking so much like this was really real. They were going to try to ease that news on people and it just wouldn't have worked. How many manhours were invested coming up with ideas to setup barriers for consumers?
I'm so pissed I'm considering buying GTAV on PS3 even though I know the port will be worse just so MS doesn't get a dime from me. Fuck what a waste. I feel dirty for having supported the original Xbox and the 360. And I knew who MS was. I always have. I knew it and I jumped into bed anyway.
(To be fair, Sony didnt help with their PS3 release arrogance, but they were never this bad. Never this arrogant.)
This is exactly what I thought it was from the very beginning. At the time I was wondering why no one was making a big deal out of it. When it was finally mentioned, people suggested that it was a 1hr check in and they could continue playing, instead of a 1hr limit. I went back and read the section pertaining to it and it could have meant either way.
But lets be honest with ourselves. After everything that has happened with this console, is anyone really surprised by what this feature ended up being? It is as if Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger got together in order to design a Trojan horse game console.
But lets be honest with ourselves. After everything that has happened with this console, is anyone really surprised by what this feature ended up being? It is as if Donald Rumsfeld and Henry Kissinger got together in order to design a Trojan horse game console.
They removed it because without a mandatory 60 minute Internet check-in as they said would be the time limit when accessing your library remotely, people could "demo" a game for days.
Once required Internet is removed, any other limiting feature that can be exploited when you're "unplugged" will be squashed as well.
IchigoSharingan
Member
everyone but the apologists
Vicetrailia
Member
So much for being "New" and "moving the industry forward" and "without it we're regressing, damn ignorant gamers can't to see the advantages". People actually said that, I can't believe it.
Oh well, it's all over now. Why fret about this, X1 no longer has shitty DRM!
Oh well, it's all over now. Why fret about this, X1 no longer has shitty DRM!
Wickerbasket
Member
They could have kept the internet requirement for that feature though for digital games. If you're demoing a game you need to be connected to the net or whatever.
Or just do it like how the PS3 does it's time trial demos.
PSN+ doesnt need to be connected to the internet to know at what date your subscription runs out to make games unplayable.
Im sure they could do something similar.
Parapraxis
Member
I wouldn't be certain of a worse port, I know GTA IV wasn't AS good on PS3 as the 360, but it was not even that huge a difference back then.
Yup, people would have lost their shit, burying the family plan all together is a smarter move, especially when they turn it around and make it seem like a huge loss for gamers (which it most likely isn't, the details just hadn't all come out)
Neuromancer
Member
Would anyone care at this point?
VibratingDonkey
Member
I'm more pissed about this than I thought I'd be. At first I was like "well good, no big loss there then." But this was like the last bastion of hope for Microsoft to do some good, and I trusted they would to some degree. But nope, dishonest bullshit. And now they're sweeping it under the rug and making it look like we've caused a significant loss by being protective of our ownership and making them drop their shoddy DRM policies. It's just all so shitty. Trust betrayed, can no longer take their word for anything.
Was starting to get excited about the prospect of being able to play those Xbox One games, but now having to support Microsoft to do so is a roadblock again.
Was starting to get excited about the prospect of being able to play those Xbox One games, but now having to support Microsoft to do so is a roadblock again.
RumblingRosco
Member
Just want to throw a "thank you" in for CBOAT. The stuff of legends. Not the hero we deserve, but the hero we need. He's fucking Quetzalcoatl.
That's some very nice alliteration. Just rolls off the tongue.