AHA-Lambda
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Steam version confirmed
Would've loved to have them seperate though.
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Zero Escape: The Nonary Games [2-pack] announced (PS4/Vita, Spring 2017)
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WOO HOO!
randomengine
Banned
I have all 3 games for DS/3DS, but I will wait and double-dip for the Switch release.
Jawmuncher
Member
I don't mind having to own another copy. But it would be nice if I didn't have too. Since owning another copy of a game I already own is going to obviously bring the price up on this. Like I get the "so people can get into ZTD". But in that case vita wise VLR is still on vita. So to me it would make more sense to have a standalone vita release of 999. Since VLR is still easily found for around 20 new.
Yeah it's just a bit odd.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Did you black-out at the finale or what?
His motives were explained loud and clear.
It was to make sure he was born from Sigma and Diana, and to get them all together to stop the religious fanatic.
Not so complex, huh?
Benzychenz
Member
I already wasn't happy about having to rebuy VLR, but if it's a single trophy list then I'm going to straight pass.
Would have been cool to have a 999 plat but I'm not replaying VLR.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
The problem is that this is one of the dumbest motivations in history.
I doubt it's going to be a single trophy list. Most likely it'll be two - one for 999 and one for vlr.
The alien transporter didn't answer any overarching questions though, just the weird plot details ZTD itself introduced. Delta didn't have to be related to anybody, baby Phi didn't have to go back in time to raise herself, and Carlos achieved nothing by using it. It was just a convenient plot device in every sense of the word.
'Complex Motives' is more just pointing out the ridiculousness of Delta's plan. He formed a massive terrorist organization before VLR, created clones of his adopted brother to send to the moon in order to orchestrate the events of VLR, sending Sigma back in time so that he could trap future-mind Sigma and some others in a facility, and create an outcome where his birth is guaranteed in one timeline, and a small group of people are aware of a single terrorist that'll cause large-scale human extinction in another? This is why C O M P L E X M O T I V E S is a thing.
'Complex Motives' is more just pointing out the ridiculousness of Delta's plan. He formed a massive terrorist organization before VLR, created clones of his adopted brother to send to the moon in order to orchestrate the events of VLR, sending Sigma back in time so that he could trap future-mind Sigma and some others in a facility, and create an outcome where his birth is guaranteed in one timeline, and a small group of people are aware of a single terrorist that'll cause large-scale human extinction in another? This is why C O M P L E X M O T I V E S is a thing.
DangerMouse
Member
Yeah, would have liked all 3 included.
Also, that would have meant a PS4 version of ZTD to go with the other two, which would have also been cool.
Not sure if it was called out already, but the Steam page has a trailer with voices for the 999 cast. Sounds like the same Junpei/Akane as ZTD (and Clover from VLR?)
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
If you think that's a bad motivation, do not watch the Danganronpa anime, I REPEAT, do not watch the Danganronpa anime!
No one should watch that anime. Or should, but stop right at the end.
Gaf is just full of cynical people. Their opinions are basically irrelevant to my purchases at this point, since I just don't agree with them.
Basileus777
Member
How dare people criticize something I like, why isn't every thread a safe bubble for me?
calc84maniac
Member
That's... not anything close to what he said.
He just said he doesn't agree and thus no longer pays attention.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I can see why some would be disappointed, but people are making it sound like it's one of the worst games ever. : /
D-END 2 is one of the best moments from the entire trilogy.
All the constant timeline jumping and the consequences of doing it towards the end of the game was amazing.
The twist that the wards weren't seperate and the way time really worked was a genius twist.
All the constant timeline jumping and the consequences of doing it towards the end of the game was amazing.
The twist that the wards weren't seperate and the way time really worked was a genius twist.
The game has plenty of fantastic moments.
RurouniZel
Asks questions so Ezalc doesn't have to
Super hyped by this collection! Totally getting on Steam, maybe PS4 just to have physically, not sure yet.
As for the ZTD discussion, I like it a lot but it's the weakest in the series. Then again, when I say weakest I mean that for me 999 is an 11/10, VLR is a 10/10, and ZTD is an 8/10. I have some qualms with it, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. Granted, I just might have had different expectations that got met and so ended up happier. Already played it twice and still love it. XD
Also I completely agree with your 1st spoiler. It's one of my favorite ZE endings and really hit on something I felt VLR lacked.
As for the ZTD discussion, I like it a lot but it's the weakest in the series. Then again, when I say weakest I mean that for me 999 is an 11/10, VLR is a 10/10, and ZTD is an 8/10. I have some qualms with it, but I don't think it's as bad as a lot of people make it out to be. Granted, I just might have had different expectations that got met and so ended up happier. Already played it twice and still love it. XD
Also I completely agree with your 1st spoiler. It's one of my favorite ZE endings and really hit on something I felt VLR lacked.
VLR had so many endings where the characters are trapped forever, but NEVER explored that idea any further, D-END 2 did not miss that opportunity and it was GLORIOUS!
RampagingSoul
Member
Definitely think those spoilers were great things from ZTD as well. The atmosphere struck closer to 999 for me, which I personally liked. I still think ZTD is weaker than the other games to me in general, but it was more of a disappointment than a bad game to me. Expectations had me wanting more, but I'll accept what we got for what it is and move on.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I wish more people in this thread were like you. You were disappointed yet you still don't feel the need to make the game sound like a piece of junk. Good for you.
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
D-End 2 was nice at the time...until the ending just reveals that the entire thing was orchestrated by Delta to cause himself to be conceived. The ending basically just took that whole moment and kicked dirt all over it.
Pretty much everything after that moment is just a complete downward spiral in my mind.
Pretty much everything after that moment is just a complete downward spiral in my mind.
One of my main problems with ZTD is that all of the great moments earlier in the game are actively ruined by the ending's revelations. It's not simply a case of the ending being a let down. It actually just goes back and basically makes the rest of the game worse.
Booya_base
Member
Holy crap, what a release! If I had never played these games and bought this pack, I would 100% say that this is the best game of all time (assuming that the collection counts at one game) - each of these two would probably make my top 10.
Anyone who likes VNs but hasn't played these, you owe it to yourself to play them. Don't worry too much about ZTD, these two are the best of the bunch.
Anyone who likes VNs but hasn't played these, you owe it to yourself to play them. Don't worry too much about ZTD, these two are the best of the bunch.
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Dang. That sucks.
I'm glad that wasn't the case for me. I mean, a few questionable desisions aside, I actually liked the ending. I was happy with the amount of answers I got.
Some people are easier to please.
Doesn't make the people who demand more because they got a more complex experience out of the series wrong to be upset at what they got.
Doesn't mean they are right either. I think some people can't help but force their opinions about the game down everyone's throats.
I mean, this 2-pack doesn't even have ZTD in it. Why do these people feel compelled to tell us about how much they dislike ZTD again?
Benzychenz
Member
Yeah, you've got the ending of a trilogy completely ignoring plot threads from the previous games, how can you possibly be happy with the answers you got???
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
That's just it. People are going out of their way to make sure they let everyone know that ZTD was 'awful'. It's annoying.
Because the questions that weren't answered I thought weren't very important in the first place. Not everything needs to be directly explained.
And let's not ignore the stuff that was explained.
This is really off-topic, but what plot threads got ignored?
Besides the ones on the now-definitively-not-canon post ending sequence of VLR.
Can't say for sure you're talking about me, but the stuff I post isn't really all opinion-based. It's pointing out story inconsistencies, dropped plot threads, shifts in established character writing and logic, and odd elements being introduced for the sake of easier writing. Sure, the actual quality of the story and willingness to accept it comes down to opinions, but you're taking a critical analysis really personally.
I don't even know about these critical analyses nor have I read them, because I don't care about them at all. I am just commenting on the general state of things.
Greatest Ever
Member
Right, which are reasons so stupid to tell the story, so absolutely irrelevant to anything that happened in the past games that fans attached onto the meme instead. Besides, when there's only a chance to
stop the fanatic
I didn't black out in the finale, though it seems like Uchikoshi did while writing it.
Oh wait you're just wasting all our time, never mind. Sorry for thinking you had a chance at a legitimate discussion.
Benzychenz
Member
Well, to start with, saying that post ending sequence of VLR is non-canon is a cop out. Ignoring Kyle is just ridiculous.
The origin of Radical-6 isn't explained. It was the central plot of VLR and in ZTD it's treated like a bullet point they had to cross off. It just happens to be there.
Previous characters are ignored. The end of VLR questioned what will happen to Clover and Alice next, did they manage to go back in time? But I guess that doesn't matter now because the whole VLR timeline is condemned to a bad ending.
Crash Keys and Santa are never mentioned.
Probably more that I've forgotten, I've only played these games once each.
It just hurts that so much wasn't mentioned, when the stuff that did get in the game isn't that great. Mind hacking and an alien transporter are such cop out excuses to piece together a plot they didn't know what to do with.
The origin of Radical-6 isn't explained. It was the central plot of VLR and in ZTD it's treated like a bullet point they had to cross off. It just happens to be there.
Previous characters are ignored. The end of VLR questioned what will happen to Clover and Alice next, did they manage to go back in time? But I guess that doesn't matter now because the whole VLR timeline is condemned to a bad ending.
Crash Keys and Santa are never mentioned.
Probably more that I've forgotten, I've only played these games once each.
It just hurts that so much wasn't mentioned, when the stuff that did get in the game isn't that great. Mind hacking and an alien transporter are such cop out excuses to piece together a plot they didn't know what to do with.
That is part of the now-not-canon ending though.
I don't think the other things you've mentioned really are plot threads that got dropped.
I mean, what is there to tell about Santa and the Crash Keys?
The Radical-6 is just something Zero came up to ultimately create a team of motivated people to go after the real terrorist that will kill everyone. That's the 'origin' of it. Unless you want to know how exactly he came up with the virus, but is it that important? I mean, the dude has an alien time machine. If the game said he found the virus on a capsule dropped by ancient aliens I doubt you'd fell better about it.
The Radical-6 is just something Zero came up to ultimately create a team of motivated people to go after the real terrorist that will kill everyone. That's the 'origin' of it. Unless you want to know how exactly he came up with the virus, but is it that important? I mean, the dude has an alien time machine. If the game said he found the virus on a capsule dropped by ancient aliens I doubt you'd fell better about it.
mrmickfran
Member
I love how ZTD isn't included in the collection, but it's taken over the thread lol
slosherbomb
Member
yay!!!
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I was going to actually reply to you, but you're not worth it. Wouldn't want to waste anymore of your precious time discussing a plot to a videogame of all things.
I agree with this. I was fine with assuming Kyle/? was the person actually playing the game, but he still should have at least been mentioned.
It was a little odd how Radical-6 was just kind of there, but I don't really think it needs an origin. It was a virus that was found in a lab. Good enough for me.
What happened to Clover and Alice doesn't need to be explained. When I finished VLR not once did I think we'd ever hear more about them.
What happened to them wasn't supposed to be answered. I got the impression it was purposely left open. Come to your own conclusion.
What happened to them wasn't supposed to be answered. I got the impression it was purposely left open. Come to your own conclusion.
Why would they be? And Santa actually was mentioned in the game, same with Lotus and Seven.
I mean, it's called the Nonary Games. ZTD's game wasn't a Nonary game :
AmethystEnd
Member
Awesome. I'll absolutely platinum 999, since I have the VLR and ZTD plats.
I'd be surprised if they didn't share the same card on Vita. VLR was just over a gig, and that was with dual-audio and a fair amount of FMV. I can't imagine anything that they're adding to 999 would be any bigger than that.
brickarts295
Member
999 Platinum will be mine! Nice to have the trilogy. Don't think I will platinum VLR, since that game crazy long and I already got the Platinum on Vita.
mrmickfran
Member
I know that, I'm just saying that ZTD has taken over the discussion.
DriftingSpirit
Member
How are the plats? Are they simple or tricky?
Dandy Crocodile
Member
Simple. Play through the entire game.
The only way you won't get them is if you decide the game isn't for you and shelve it.
DriftingSpirit
Member
Thanks. Sounds nice.
I've said this before and I'll say it again: it always surprises me when people think
is an example of ZTD's good content and not a huge example of the game careening into utter bullshit.
D-END 2
The good stuff was the character interactions of returning characters early on. D-END 2 was forcing one of the best characters, Phi, out of the way for a long portion of the game just to allow for random romance out of nowhere that's also prettttty gross given that Sigma is actually an old man that knows a lot more about Diana than she does about him. I know he's supposedly said that he's from the future to her face (which, by the way- Old Akane really had no fucking plan for that despite her basically being omnipotent? ok. sure.) but it still doesn't sit right to me. Phi being their kid is such a laughable and unnecessary twist and everything about Left and Brother is a bullshit retcon and I'm going to stop before thinking about this annoys me further.
Greatest Ever
Member
Well it's no wonder you like most of ZTD, you're putting the same amount of effort into explaining its plot as the game did.
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