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My friend just told me the eye can only see 30FPS
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Revolutionary
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Should've forced vsync to 30hz and run TF2 or something to show him.
Lord_Balkan
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I am not a scientist, but being in the graphics field..
I really don't think there is one answer for this question. It honestly probably depends on the person. There may be some people that can't distinguish over 100fps, and some people can distinguish anything under 200fps. Each human eye is different. Just like everyones vision isn't exactly the same (by evidence of the need for some sort of corrective lenses), I doubt everyones perception of framerate is identical.
Though, I do think some people are not lying when they say 60 and 120 isn't much of a difference to them in slower - medium movement scenes. 60 and 120 is a large difference, but that doesn't mean everyone can perceive it. Some people may be more sensitive to the nuances of framerate than others.
No. Information travels between the eye and the brain in a constant stream. Just as light travels into the eye in a constant stream.
There is still a perception issue, there'll be a point where you just can't tell the difference any more, but we can still perceive changes in framerate up to 300fps or so (I read this in a research paper when the aforementioned developer wouldn't back down about his assertions that we couldn't perceive higher than 30fps).
Just show him any 48 fps hobbit thread. They won't be making many more high fps films, and it's not because we can't see more then 30 fps.
I work in neuroscience with a focus on the visual system and computer modeling of it. This is bullshit. Human eyes don't have a framerate. It's a very complicated system. It's not digital, our receptors are full of complex chemical reactions that are triggered by light and get turned into electrical signals. Every little amount of light that gets to our eyes matters. So framerate does make a difference beyond 30, even beyond 60. There is diminishing returns obviously, but 30 is nowhere near the point of that.
Your eyes see no difference.
Yeah, however your brain does pick up different signals, as there's more signals for your brain to pick up during 60 fps, compared to 30 fps. Whether someone's brain has aptitude to pick up 60 fps or 30 fps, possibly does rely on their visuocognitive ability. This might just be the cause of this whole debate, what someone can perceive could not be the same as what some other person reckons he perceives.
To say it more bluntly: maybe his brain is too slow to pick up these 60 fps signals? ^_^..
Yeah, however your brain does pick up different signals, as there's more signals for your brain to pick up during 60 fps, compared to 30 fps. Whether someone's brain has aptitude to pick up 60 fps or 30 fps, possibly does rely on their visuocognitive ability. This might just be the cause of this whole debate, what someone can perceive could not be the same as what some other person reckons he perceives.
To say it more bluntly: maybe his brain is too slow to pick up these 60 fps signals? ^_^..
Pretty much this.
Fahrenheit
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Always a treat when people apply digital concepts to our human eyes. It's like asking what resolution the eye runs at, just silly. We live in a world were people got hyped for an option to limit FPS to 30 in a game. If i had it handy i'd post that "I feel like i'm taking crazy pills" meme.
The Spoony Hou
Member
Tell him that one eye can only see 30fps, and with two eyes we can see 60fps.
Believe me, he will fall for that.
Believe me, he will fall for that.
Eyes are lenses that read light information, run it through the optic nerve to the brain where the image is built on a constant stream, they don't work with framerate or megapixels or whatever we use to reproduse the effect.
To tell the truth, the eye will not be able to tell the difference watching video footage in different but very high framerates, and that will be because it will all be very smooth, but 30fps is choppy for everyone.
To tell the truth, the eye will not be able to tell the difference watching video footage in different but very high framerates, and that will be because it will all be very smooth, but 30fps is choppy for everyone.
biggersmaller
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AstroNut325
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Show your friend some 60fps "adult content".
He will be converted to a 60fps believer!
He will be converted to a 60fps believer!
SovereignSnake
Banned
If that was true then 60fps would look the same. DONE.
dreamcastfan
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The way the mind works is you only hear two channels at once. The mind then shuts down those two and continues in a circular motion to the next available speakers. It happens so fast, the mind is tricked into believing it is hearing all 5 at the same time. Yes I am completely serious... not really.
Theognosis
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Your friend has a "cinematic" view of the world. Ignorance is bliss.
Sword Of Doom
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Dude didn't you read the OP?
The whole eye can't see more than 30 frames a second is based on some old experiments and a LOT of interpretation (which researches to all the time to say whatever they want). What is generally well understood is that those old experiments fail to accurately quantify everything that is going on with the human eye.
The eye and the brain together can sense much more than 30 frames a second. There are plenty of experiments that disprove the 30 frame myth. It is like still believing in anomalous generation...
The eye and the brain together can sense much more than 30 frames a second. There are plenty of experiments that disprove the 30 frame myth. It is like still believing in anomalous generation...
Sentenza
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Yeah, well, he was a kid, a shameless bullshitter and my personal guess is that this was a Top Gun-inspired lie, so it's not that surprising that he didn't get national armaments right.Aren't you a fellow italian? If so then a Tornado would have probably been more fitting
Not to mention how neither Tornado nor F14 use any stealth systems (let alone ones capable of turning them invisible to naked eyes).
Hooks
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Well I feel completely stupid, I'm going to go sell my 144hz monitor and trade in my 780 for a 550 since I don't need the gfx horse power to push over 30 fps any more. I can't believe this has all been a placebo effect.
30 FPS MASTER RACE.
For the record going from 144hz to 30hz looks like a slide show, Your friend has no idea what he's talking about.
30 FPS MASTER RACE.
For the record going from 144hz to 30hz looks like a slide show, Your friend has no idea what he's talking about.
Sanctuary
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So I suppose this is entirely wrong then?
http://movieline.com/2012/12/14/hobbit-high-frame-rate-science-48-frames-per-second/
Although I'm not sure if this is actually what's being argued. Regardless, they are making claims that most people don't see more than 66fps. That doesn't really have anything to do with the fluidity of a 120fps screen either.
rob305
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I really believe that it's different for each person. People are going to say I'm lying but I cannot see a difference between 30 and 60 fps. I recently played the last of us remastered for 6 hours and I finished the game on PS3 back in the day. Other than better graphics I didnt notice anything about the framerate
Sanctuary
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That isn't really that good of an example either, despite how it may be more fluid. The gameplay in general is slower paced. Action, racing and shmup games are where it becomes the most apparent.
â Narayan
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Pfft. Outdated models.
I think the blurbusters tests are more easily noticed by your average person:
http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates-marquee&count=3&pps=960
PseudoViper
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Your friend needs a good ole' Fallout New Vegas implant for the eyes.
psn
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50fps in Germany for the big channels afaik. Some at 50fps interlaced tho...
R10Neymarfan
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Yeah I thought the HDTV and HD transition was that all sets could be universal and 60hz
Xenon
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Tell your friend to watch a ceiling fan on medium speed. Point out that It's hard to make out the individual blades. Then tell him to focus on a single blade and move his eyes with it. He should be able to make out the single blade clearly and follow it as it turns. If he asks you what this has to do with 30 vs 60 frames per second, shrug and say "Nothing."
Back in Meschool, I had an Otolaryngology Professor say the exact same thing, I was dumbfounded. I guess going to a live orchestra sounds exactly the same as listening to a CD record. Stupid old fuck.
Dust-by-Monday
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It's not about how many frames we're seeing, it how much INFORMATION we're seeing. 60fps carries double the amount of information than 30fps. That's why movement is so much smoother at 60fps.
I study Neuropsychology, I like you!
Fbh
Member
Tell your friend he needs to check his eyes.
Also, he is a "pc master race" kind of guy and can't run DayZ? Lol
Games looks great with high framerates.
Videos don't, IMO
Also, he is a "pc master race" kind of guy and can't run DayZ? Lol
Games looks great with high framerates.
Videos don't, IMO
Dust-by-Monday
Member
I thought it was quite a jarring difference between the PS3 version at 30fps and PS4 version at 60fps and I didn't even play them back-to-back.
However, I do believe that some people just can't see a difference and that's fine. Did you know that some people can't even see screen tearing yet it jumps out at me and attacks my eyeballs until I want to throw the game away and never play it again?
OmegaDL50
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OP, Do you own a PS4 and a copy of the The Last of Us Remastered.
Have your friend play through initial mission going after
In both 30fps mode and 60fps mode.
If he cannot tell the difference after playing both back to back.
Well, there isn't much else to do to convince him.
Have your friend play through initial mission going after
Robert
In both 30fps mode and 60fps mode.
If he cannot tell the difference after playing both back to back.
Well, there isn't much else to do to convince him.
MrCunningham
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Your friend is wrong, the human eye can only see 24FPS and no more.