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Legend of Zelda Mafia |OT| A Lynch to the Past
- Thread starter Sawneeks
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Because there was dead air surrounding CCS and I was having difficulty thinking things through regarding another potential target.
Alright, with CCS being confirmed Town, I plan to look back on melon with that in mind and do a complete re-read, but for now:
1. [f] Sophia
17. [m] Nin1000
20. [m] MagnumBoy20xx
These three didn't vote.
Sophia was around at day end, didn't have a strong target. Still annoys me though because inherently not voting is cautious and makes reading her more difficult since there are no hard stances. Problem is she's done this in other games and it wasn't ever a scumtell, it was a 'piss cabot off' tell. It's noteworthy, but I can't use it to read her alignment effectively.
nin1000 v3.5 - this is my most suspicious read, especially since he spent most of D2 throwing shade at me for my unvote at the end of D1. He then doesn't vote at all, but says he doesn't want to lynch CCS. He actively could have stopped that from happening, but chose No Action instead. Why didn't you go for Stan to try and save CCS, nin?
Magnum - Sat a vote on AB, rescinded not long before day end and didn't put another one down. This isn't great, but Magnum already garnered some heat from others through the day phase, so I think not voting at all would be the wrong play as scum, you'd try to join a wagon trying to appear forthright.
So in order from most suspicious to least:
nin > magnum > Sophia
1. [f] Sophia
17. [m] Nin1000
20. [m] MagnumBoy20xx
These three didn't vote.
Sophia was around at day end, didn't have a strong target. Still annoys me though because inherently not voting is cautious and makes reading her more difficult since there are no hard stances. Problem is she's done this in other games and it wasn't ever a scumtell, it was a 'piss cabot off' tell. It's noteworthy, but I can't use it to read her alignment effectively.
nin1000 v3.5 - this is my most suspicious read, especially since he spent most of D2 throwing shade at me for my unvote at the end of D1. He then doesn't vote at all, but says he doesn't want to lynch CCS. He actively could have stopped that from happening, but chose No Action instead. Why didn't you go for Stan to try and save CCS, nin?
Magnum - Sat a vote on AB, rescinded not long before day end and didn't put another one down. This isn't great, but Magnum already garnered some heat from others through the day phase, so I think not voting at all would be the wrong play as scum, you'd try to join a wagon trying to appear forthright.
So in order from most suspicious to least:
nin > magnum > Sophia
Who do you want dead now and why?
This is pretty odd considering you usually get on other people's cases for not voting.
And by other people, I mean me 
I'd like to bring up this as well:
I'm not really sure why this is a worry if you think you've found a scum target.
It's very odd to note.
This gained traction, yet your vote still held on CCS. Why didn't you switch?
nin and melon's lack of action against Stan despite one declaring he didnt want to lynch CCS and the other saying she'd switch to Stan if he came into contention (which he did) makes me seriously begin to suspect Stan.
I'm not really sure why this is a worry if you think you've found a scum target.
It's very odd to note.
This gained traction, yet your vote still held on CCS. Why didn't you switch?
nin and melon's lack of action against Stan despite one declaring he didnt want to lynch CCS and the other saying she'd switch to Stan if he came into contention (which he did) makes me seriously begin to suspect Stan.
One second on your question, Kyan.
Yeah, I know, and I'm sorry. But not much I can do about it. The end of Day 2 was kind of a drag for mentally.
This is pretty odd considering you usually get on other people's cases for not voting.
And by other people, I mean me
Yeah, I know, and I'm sorry. But not much I can do about it. The end of Day 2 was kind of a drag for mentally.
Thinking things over, but immediately the votes on Stanley don't look good.
Of them, CCS, Czartim, and Natiko are confirmed town.
So that doesn't make me feel inspired about you and Ty4on.
Yeah maybe people pushing CCS on both days?
CzarTim is also a good kill. Not as high info as Natiko, but also quite town read. I feel like Kawl was killed by someone else.
Right, we don't. But I'm looking at it from the standpoint of "Where would scum be if they knew CCS was town, but didn't want to be on his flip?"
Are you assuming no scum on CCS?
It was made pretty clear yesterday as to why it was a good vote to go for as you couldn't determine motive.
What about the CCS wagon on day 1? Scum vs town.
No I'm not assuming that. It's just there's more voters to look over there then there was on Stanley. I'm currently looking them over right now.
And yes, Day 1 CCS wagon too should be looked at too. Maybe I'll get to it after I finish the Day 2 CCS wagon.
If I push for Ty using the bussing idea and Ty flips town, I have a good chance of dying the day after, since I'd be the only unknown with all the confirmed townies. If this is intentional, I award n #scumpoints for the scum team. It is rather clever.
After CCS's flip I am again considering the possibility that Splinter could be a bussing scum and it's not like Sophia's lack of a vote has instilled me with much additional confidence toward her.
Not voting anyone and just going "uuuhh, dunno about this lynch" maybe?
Most scum teams will naturally spread themselves out.
Day 1 CCS wagon had Melon, Stan, Bronx and Ynnek who are still alive.
Melon and Stan I scum read more than Bronx who is a scum lean, ynnek is a null
Taking all of this into account...
VOTE: nin1000
I kept my vote on him all of D2, and he's still my highest scum read right now.
Looking over the CCS lynch, we have...
We know Kawl is town. So what about the other posters?
Melon wanted to flip CCS for anti-town shenanigans, which is a very easy stance for scum to take. She also decides she wants to flip to Stanley if the vote comes up, without really providing reasoning for it. Doesn't make me feel confident.
Similar to Melon, but he points out what Kyan (I presume) pointed out that scum aren't going to take CCS out on their own to keep the WIFOM up. Slightly more positive, I guess?
Ynnek votes CCS for similar reasons. He makes a rather weird analog, and throws shade on Splinter. Someone else want to read this one over for me?
Stanley jumps on the vote for similar reasons, I think? Also responds to Bronx.
Terrabyte, who provides no real reason for jumping on the vote then the same as the others.
Of those five, based purely off these posts, Melon and Terrabyte give me the worst gut feeling, where as the other three are more null.
We know Kawl is town. So what about the other posters?
Melon wanted to flip CCS for anti-town shenanigans, which is a very easy stance for scum to take. She also decides she wants to flip to Stanley if the vote comes up, without really providing reasoning for it. Doesn't make me feel confident.
Similar to Melon, but he points out what Kyan (I presume) pointed out that scum aren't going to take CCS out on their own to keep the WIFOM up. Slightly more positive, I guess?
Ynnek votes CCS for similar reasons. He makes a rather weird analog, and throws shade on Splinter. Someone else want to read this one over for me?
Stanley jumps on the vote for similar reasons, I think? Also responds to Bronx.
Terrabyte, who provides no real reason for jumping on the vote then the same as the others.
Of those five, based purely off these posts, Melon and Terrabyte give me the worst gut feeling, where as the other three are more null.
Not voting anyone and just going "uuuhh, dunno about this lynch" maybe?
Most scum teams will naturally spread themselves out.
Naturally, scum will spread themselves out. But scum would also look for places to attach their vote to. The first two votes on Stanley are confirmed town, which makes it an easier place for scum to jump onto.
What was your reason for voting Stanley again?
Three of those four were still on the CCS vote on Day 2. Hmm.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
What makes you say that?
Makes me question my Melon read. Scum keeping me alive to tunnel town makes sense since so many people town read me
Splints, you are on the record for supporting a CCS lynch for information reasons - day one will be easier to analyze when his role is known - that'd be the quote from Sophia's post bit above. Analyze things for me if you would be so kind. What new do you now know that you did not previously know and why? How does this affect your views on different people?
I've been wary of him since I scum read him on D1:
There's not a whole lot to go which is frustrating and holding my confidence back, but I struggle to read him as town. This is D2 btw:
My issue with you is I haven't come across anything I find particularly townie and your actions make more sense from a scum PoV.
I played around with me, you and cabot all being town and that's why they're not shy of killing active players.
That presumes they did it with some intent, hitting a lover probably wasn't planned unless scum team is *redacted* OP *screaming noises*.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
from my vaugue recollection of events, tyson ((and natiko hes kinda dead now) was about the only vote on me that didnt come from out of nowhere,
not that surprising given how any vote on me kinda explains itself, but still.
not that surprising given how any vote on me kinda explains itself, but still.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
also hey, 3 people dying this time, aint this exciting.
somebody get the jaws music playing!.
somebody get the jaws music playing!.
Hmm... honestly, I don't see your logic for scum reading him there. It seems like Kawl felt the similar?
You think at least two of the remaining scum are on CCS? How many scum do you think are remaining, anyhow?
Soooooooooooooooooooooo much fluff and the opinions are really weak. D1, but it looked try-hard.
Natiko is a reasonable pick to be fair. Kawl's death makes me wonder about the second kill's source though.
Kyan I see your question and will get to it tomorrow, but I find you asking it now to be scummy as fuck.
It is possible. The exact thing that I am thinking is that it is likelier than normal that we can find more than one scum on d2 CCS, thanks to the way day one went. How much likelier, I can't quantify that I am afraid. Just a feel I have, as a former scum.
I haven't bothered to think about the team numbers because that involves math. Was thinking three but if there is a SK three more might be opening the door for a really fast potential ending.
I ask it because I really do not like your votes. If you are town, please stop with the pointless shade throwing. My feelsTM are not improved by the fact that you choose to throw shade instead of even slightly touching on why you find the question/timing/whatever scummy.
Your question could have been asked yesterday, unless you're pretending to be surprised by CCS' flip. You also could have waited to see if I ignored the lead that I had supposedly voted for. But you couldn't contain yourself, you had to jump on that (blindingly obvious) lead right out the gate for those tasty town points.
I'm going to bed, everyone's homework is finding breadcrumbs from Kawl.
Actually don't answer. Forgot there is a thief.
melonrabbit
Member
That's a hit. Damn. Didn't Natiko even hint this was a possibility?
Cabot, I'm not scum. I'm town. Frustrated town and I disliked how CCS was playing.
Cabot, I'm not scum. I'm town. Frustrated town and I disliked how CCS was playing.
What about his Day 2 reads and opinions then? Knowing that acohrs was the first scum on his own vote, does Stanley look like a scum who's reacting to the loss of a teammate?
Asking the question yesterday leaves the door open for "lets wait for the flip and see" or expands the discussion by adding multiple different possibilities to the speculation. Now we have a one thing to consider. Not speaking about CCS here, but you. You entered the sights as a possible busser and were removed from the sights when I concluded that your potential scum play was too good to attack you for. In other words, if you were a bussing scum, you did it well enough for me to give you a free pass, until the flip brought you up again. I really felt that your day two vote was incredibly easy. You could do so much more, I thought. But I waited for the flip and saw.
I could not contain myself, that is true. Why wait if I can control? By asking, I can force it out of you. By staying silent, the door through which you can flee stays open. "Why did you not ask me this earlier?" asked the Splinter of an alternative universe about 36 hours from now. Now you have to provide, either an explanation or something else. I wish to see if your words were more than that, if you actually had some substance behind them. They are easy words to write, analyze and all. It is moderately harder to turn fluff into content.
Your increased aggressiveness worries me. It is only few posts, but they stand out. You have been bit on the background in my opinion, you can be more fiery if you want. Why does the flame burn when it sees me?
His D2 read looked weak as well. I can totally see scum piggybacking Kawl and voting CCS. Do you town read him?