Bigger fish to fry at the moment. Make no mistake I don't plan on letting nin get to the final three or anything like that ever again.
Plus if ccs flips scum nin is probably my next top read.
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Plus if ccs flips scum nin is probably my next top read.
Nin is... Nin
Stanley is not pressured enough. In a few hours he should be awake.
I've thought a bit about potential neutrals, but I guess you could put anyone there. Sort of looking like we have a neutral killer as neither target made much sense for town vig and double kill for scum this early feels wrong.
Stanley is not pressured enough. In a few hours he should be awake.
I've thought a bit about potential neutrals, but I guess you could put anyone there. Sort of looking like we have a neutral killer as neither target made much sense for town vig and double kill for scum this early feels wrong.
Let's wait for another data point before making assumptions?
Doing a read through:
Was a bit confused by this. Do you mean that Natiko claiming to have lost an item would make it less likely for town to lynch him or for scum to ignore him at night? Just not sure of the what the connection is.
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So it seems like most of today is focusing on CCS. Lynching him today will resolve the acohrs/CCS discussion, and allow us to look more closely at where everyone's votes were placed at the end of Day 1.
VOTE: CCS
As of right now, Kawl and Splinter are voting for him. On top of that, Bronx had a vote until he moved it to Nin, and Melon has made it clear that she intends to vote for CCS as well. Out of this group, the only new person to vote for CCS who didn't vote for him day one is Splinter.
I'm still getting a bad reading of him, but there's also something else that's kind of sticking in my mind about him. Allow me to quote a few posts....
Alright, so there's this movie called "For Love of the Game", a baseball movie staring Kevin Costner who plays an aging pitcher who is playing in his final game. Over the course of the movie, people realize that he's on his way to pitching a no-hitter. In the final inning, the rival coach sends out a rookie pinch-hitter to bat. The reason for this is because the new guy would be the least likely to be intimidated by either a talented pitcher or the significance of their last game being a no-hitter.
To bring it back, I think CCS is the new guy and Sorian is Kevin Costner. The scum team probably went for fran for the reasons CzarTim gave, while CCS may have been the one to go for one of our most experienced players. If that's the case, he's either a neutral SK or vigilante who's cost us a townie while playing pretty anti-town.
Was a bit confused by this. Do you mean that Natiko claiming to have lost an item would make it less likely for town to lynch him or for scum to ignore him at night? Just not sure of the what the connection is.
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So it seems like most of today is focusing on CCS. Lynching him today will resolve the acohrs/CCS discussion, and allow us to look more closely at where everyone's votes were placed at the end of Day 1.
VOTE: CCS
As of right now, Kawl and Splinter are voting for him. On top of that, Bronx had a vote until he moved it to Nin, and Melon has made it clear that she intends to vote for CCS as well. Out of this group, the only new person to vote for CCS who didn't vote for him day one is Splinter.
I'm still getting a bad reading of him, but there's also something else that's kind of sticking in my mind about him. Allow me to quote a few posts....
Alright, so there's this movie called "For Love of the Game", a baseball movie staring Kevin Costner who plays an aging pitcher who is playing in his final game. Over the course of the movie, people realize that he's on his way to pitching a no-hitter. In the final inning, the rival coach sends out a rookie pinch-hitter to bat. The reason for this is because the new guy would be the least likely to be intimidated by either a talented pitcher or the significance of their last game being a no-hitter.
To bring it back, I think CCS is the new guy and Sorian is Kevin Costner. The scum team probably went for fran for the reasons CzarTim gave, while CCS may have been the one to go for one of our most experienced players. If that's the case, he's either a neutral SK or vigilante who's cost us a townie while playing pretty anti-town.
Natiko said there was a thief, so it's most likely that either the thief is neutral and another faction has a kill, or scum have the thief and there's an unaccounted kill from somewhere.
Beyond that, not much else to speculate on. This assumes Natiko is telling the truth as well.
Beyond that, not much else to speculate on. This assumes Natiko is telling the truth as well.
That was kinda my conclusion too. Lynch scum first.
I just thought claiming the items would have bought him at least a day or two without being lynched.
If CCS was vigilante i don't know why he wouldn't have claimed by now. He may be SK, but I highly doubt he's a vigilante.
No I mean like let's see if we have two deaths tonight
Hmmm. Defending nin seems to be a big point of interest for you. I wonder why that is.
It was a perfect game in for the love of the game. Damn get your metaphors straight.
I wanted to hear Nin's "good reason" from his own mouth, but it's pointless now that Kawl stepped in and gave Nin an out. : \
Lol a shit post at you
And a post saying if my preferred lynch is scum nin is next at the top of my list and saying regardless of his alignment I don't plan on letting a nin get to end game.
Yea damn I guess nin doesn't even need to post with me running interference so smoothly.
:lol
Yes because waiting for anything non nonsensical to come from nin is bound to be productive for town.
You have a fair point, but you're still a doofus for not letting him answer. =p
I do find it hilarious that the guy who asked CCS what he was trying to achieve in this game appears to have no idea of what he himself is trying to achieve.
That's a decent point. Maybe it's x-shot and terrified scum decided to use it quickly.
I'd totally use it early
I'm just used to extra scum kills having a wind up of some sort. Either poison or needing to charge up.
lol your desperation it reeks
MagnumBoy20xx
Neo Member
First things first, I want to apologise for not being as active as I should have in this game so far. I probably should have paid more attention to the thread and posted more. With that being said, I will definitely be more helpful as I now have something concrete to work with: final day vote results!
Let's look at the votes that occurred at the end of the day phase. By post 1069, acohrs had 5 votes(natiko,franconp,Cabot,sorian,and *splinter)while ccs had 6(melonrabbit,stanleypalmtree,kawl_usc,bronx-man,Sophia,and ynnek7). As the end of the phase drew near, nin1000,czartim,and kyanrute all voted for acohrs giving him 8 votes to ccs' 6. This is when things get interesting. Acohrs votes for ccs claiming that he is creating a tie, but all his vote does is make it 7 votes for ccs and 8 votes for him. The votes only become tied one post later when absolutbro also votes for ccs. The tie is broken by ty4on,who votes for acohrs, but is restored a post later when natiko unvotes. The tie is then broken for good when Sophia switches her vote from ccs to acohrs at the last second. Both Cabot and absolutbro unvote, but the unvotes wouldn't have mattered since they just cancel each other out.
So what does this tell us? It tells us one detail that I think we would have missed otherwise: The now confirmed scum, acohrs didn't create the tie, absolutbro did!
Why did acohrs claim to make a tie when his vote clearly didn't? Did he make a mistake by miscounting? Possibly, but I think that the mistake he made wasn't that but rather posting too early. If he had posted right after absolutbro, he would have caused a tie, just like he claimed he did. If the mafia wanted to cause a tie this should be how it would have gone down, with the shady player seemingly capitalizing on the opportunity to tie. Instead it was the other way around, with the shady player making the opportunity and the player nowhere near the chopping block making the tie. This might be why absolutbro unvoted dispite the fact that it would do nothing to the result, it made it seem like his earlier vote was a accident rather then on purpose. It's because of this that I think absolutbro is mafia.
vote: absolutbro
I know that my vote on him and the reasoning behind it last day phase was weak, even I can admit that. But this time, after going through the vote results multiple times, this is what I found. I know that it sounds like a bluff straight out of Ace attorney, but like those bluffs I'm going to ride this vote out to find the truth!
Let's look at the votes that occurred at the end of the day phase. By post 1069, acohrs had 5 votes(natiko,franconp,Cabot,sorian,and *splinter)while ccs had 6(melonrabbit,stanleypalmtree,kawl_usc,bronx-man,Sophia,and ynnek7). As the end of the phase drew near, nin1000,czartim,and kyanrute all voted for acohrs giving him 8 votes to ccs' 6. This is when things get interesting. Acohrs votes for ccs claiming that he is creating a tie, but all his vote does is make it 7 votes for ccs and 8 votes for him. The votes only become tied one post later when absolutbro also votes for ccs. The tie is broken by ty4on,who votes for acohrs, but is restored a post later when natiko unvotes. The tie is then broken for good when Sophia switches her vote from ccs to acohrs at the last second. Both Cabot and absolutbro unvote, but the unvotes wouldn't have mattered since they just cancel each other out.
So what does this tell us? It tells us one detail that I think we would have missed otherwise: The now confirmed scum, acohrs didn't create the tie, absolutbro did!
Why did acohrs claim to make a tie when his vote clearly didn't? Did he make a mistake by miscounting? Possibly, but I think that the mistake he made wasn't that but rather posting too early. If he had posted right after absolutbro, he would have caused a tie, just like he claimed he did. If the mafia wanted to cause a tie this should be how it would have gone down, with the shady player seemingly capitalizing on the opportunity to tie. Instead it was the other way around, with the shady player making the opportunity and the player nowhere near the chopping block making the tie. This might be why absolutbro unvoted dispite the fact that it would do nothing to the result, it made it seem like his earlier vote was a accident rather then on purpose. It's because of this that I think absolutbro is mafia.
vote: absolutbro
I know that my vote on him and the reasoning behind it last day phase was weak, even I can admit that. But this time, after going through the vote results multiple times, this is what I found. I know that it sounds like a bluff straight out of Ace attorney, but like those bluffs I'm going to ride this vote out to find the truth!
You gonna take any post seriously or are you just gonna keep deflecting for the rest of D2?
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Current Vote Count:
natiko (0)
cabot 1130 (1234)
bronx-man (0)
czartim 1131 (1620)
ccs (3)
kawl_usc 1143
bronx-man 1209 (1644)
*splinter 1546
ynnek7 1654
cabot (1)
nin1000 1152 (1208)
melonrabbit 1553
*splinter (0)
cabot 1234 (1260)
ty4on (0)
cabot 1260 (1295)
magnumboy20xx (1)
absolutbro 1282
ynnek7 (0)
cabot 1295 (1476)
kawl_usc (0)
ccs 1301 (1377)
stanleypalmtree (1)
ccs 1410 (1604)
czartim 1620
melonrabbit (2)
cabot 1476
ccs 1604
nin1000 (1)
bronx-man 1644
absolutbro (1)
magnumboy20xx 1668
Day 2 Ends in:
Vote Count can be found HERE
Current Vote Count:
natiko (0)
bronx-man (0)
ccs (3)
kawl_usc 1143
*splinter 1546
ynnek7 1654
cabot (1)
melonrabbit 1553
*splinter (0)
ty4on (0)
magnumboy20xx (1)
absolutbro 1282
ynnek7 (0)
kawl_usc (0)
stanleypalmtree (1)
czartim 1620
melonrabbit (2)
cabot 1476
ccs 1604
nin1000 (1)
bronx-man 1644
absolutbro (1)
magnumboy20xx 1668
Day 2 Ends in:
Vote Count can be found HERE
Hmm... what do you all think of Magnum's post? AB voted for Magnum earlier. Also seems to have thought (or still thinks) CCS is town.
While taking the time to do this makes me feel a little better about you - I will play devil's advocate by pointing out that kyan's vote on acohrs which created the two vote gap came only two posts prior to acohrs' vote trying to tie it up. I think he just didn't see kyan's vote prior to going in and typing his out. I find that more likely than scum team biffing coordinated votes that poorly, especially since it would draw so much attention to them both.
My thoughts when reading it. Looked to me like Kyan ninja'd him.
That being said, knowing what we know now this exchange sticks out a bit to me. Perhaps acohrs knew AbsolutBro would be checking in and was already preparing the Kawl push hoping it may catch some steam?
Early on he went for a vote on Magnum. Basically a prod vote, but considering Magnum's activity in retrospect...
Was too lazy to unvote magnum, so he claimed. And here as well.
CzarTim asks him why he wants to unvote. Accused CzarTim of being scum
Unvotes Magnum here
Prodded Kawl, who was by no means inactive.
Proposed lynching the least active. Was responded to by CzarTim.
Responds to Nin and Natiko.
Admits he's been all over the place in response to Nin asking him a question
Chitchat between him and CCS
Bronx claims scum usually lurk, he brings up Saw from Pop as a counterpoint.
Unvotes his prod vote on Kawl.
Tries to push Sorian as potential scum.
Comments on Ty's observation of Kyan. And again.
More throwing shade on Sorian.
Tries to justify his playstyle after Natiko votes for him.
Says he was going to vote absolut, but decided against it.
Begins chumming up to CCS here.
Asks Magnum for a read.
Tries to deflect Natiko's accusation.
Accuses CCS of bandwagoning.
More chumming up to CCS.
More Absolut talk between him and Sorian
Reads post. Names Magnum, Absolut, Ynnek, and Nin.
Votes himself.
Unvotes himself.
Votes CCS
That's what I normally do. But I went completely stupid there. Made sure I didn't make that mistake twice.
For the most part, the two bolded are what really stand out as far as I could tell. He named four people who he kind of threw shade on there in Absolut, Magnum, Ynnek, and Nin, but never really pushed more on them as far as I could tell.
I think you're on the right track. I've noted some similar things as well. I'm working on posting some revised thoughts.
Hmm. Hmm hmm
I thought it was a pointless observation back then, but two things stick out more now. Firstly, how does that post work as an AB vote? The post seems to only really work if there's only one persone who hasn't commented on the game. He's voting on the person who has yet to post.
It's also kinda weird that he chose to reply. Hard thing to make much out of since it's so random, but I feel like the natural response is to wonder why I care and ignore my post.
If W/W I think he might have seen AB waking up and posting in the scum chat so in his mind he was already active and posting.
Get auto refresh when scrolling up the fuck out of your browser. There's a Chrome flag for remving it.
I hate Chrome so much for that. Not only on by default, but disabling it is way harder than it should be.
Actually what happened was I hit the extra mouse button that's bound to "Go back" and it went back to a version of the post that had basically nothing. And it ate the post when I tried to go forward. ;_;
AbsolutBro
Member
You are really making me rethink if lynching you is truly as much a waste as I think it would be.
Check the time stamps, Acohrs's and my posts were literally posted less than a minute apart. If we were scum together, I would like to think we would at least have the foresight to say "let me post first" or something equally simple in scum chat. As for unvoting "dispite [sic] the fact that it would do nothing to the result", I also explained that. I saw the mess Acohrs's and my votes created and wanted no part of that. I was down to the wire on time so I typed as fast as I could, and tried to post. I didn't see the other votes/unvotes because I was watching the GAF post timer count down. My unvote came barely a minute after my vote post.
Two days, two only-votes, two weak justifications. How's that tunnel look?
He posted, and I am not one for OMGUS votes, so:
unvote
I started to build a quote case on melon, but it seems once again everything I would say has been covered. I'm not going to out-of-nowhere-dogpile a vote in on her now. That did kill my train of thought though. Sorry for being useless, my dad makes it to this coast once or twice a year at most.
I will be around again in an hour or so, maybe two. Managed to sneak in while people were resting/napping after dinner.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
so you all just kinda fell apart for a bit there this morning, huh?
mafia's one hell of a drug.
anyway, because i kinda forgot to do this earlier.
vote: CCS
and going back to the small DADV discussion earlier, i have to agree with Kawl take on it, how CCS has basically dug himself such a spectacular hole at this point, that any attempt attempt from potential scum buddies to defend him would look flimsy at best, and just more like put themselves on the chopping block next.
i wont lie, this got a laugh outa me,
As for Nin's bizarrely antagonistic play, can we first agree that it is just adorable?
but yeah, town or not he really is nothing but a problem playing like he is, gonna have to go eventually.
mafia's one hell of a drug.
anyway, because i kinda forgot to do this earlier.
vote: CCS
and going back to the small DADV discussion earlier, i have to agree with Kawl take on it, how CCS has basically dug himself such a spectacular hole at this point, that any attempt attempt from potential scum buddies to defend him would look flimsy at best, and just more like put themselves on the chopping block next.
i wont lie, this got a laugh outa me,
im never helpful.
As for Nin's bizarrely antagonistic play, can we first agree that it is just adorable?
but yeah, town or not he really is nothing but a problem playing like he is, gonna have to go eventually.
Well sorry that took so long (not that much has happened in the meantime), I was playing games on the side and that led to it taking forever.
Town
Ty4on - I read him as town D1 and nothing has changed my feelings since then. His vote at the end of D1 makes my feelings even more firm.
CzarTim - I find his posts insightful and think he has been putting genuine thought into his posts.
Cabot - Has been very helpful in analyzing the situation and posting useful insight. His vote and unvote do not concern me as I know first hand what he was going through at the time.
Kyanrute - I felt some of his play D1 was scummy, but he has really turned it around since then. His continued elevation of play in D2 has really helped alongside his voting at the end of D1 (which he called in advance if the choice came between acohrs and CCS).
Lean Town
Sophia - Her contributions seem to be fairly good and the vote switch at the end of D1 makes her look better than before. Still slight concern due to how ambivalent she seemed about her switch to acohrs in D2. Seemed like she couldn't have cared less who she voted for which if that is the case - why switch?
Null
melonrabbit - Has been a relative non-entity today. I don't have great feelings about her so she's closer to scum than town, but I don't feel as strongly as I previously did. Think she may just be a frustrated townie.
CCS - Definitely closer to scum than town, but he's just a blackhole of nonsense so who the hell knows anymore. I'm trying to not focus on him and let his crazy antics pull me in for now.
Kawl_USC - Would maybe be my first guess at a potential neutral. He hasn't contributed much of anything. He mainly gets into pointless discussions but doesn't really say much that's directly scummy. Also didn't seem to be a fan of Sorian, and well..
Ynnek7 - Felt scummy at times and the CCS vote rubbed me the wrong way. His reads in post 757 make me feel a little better though. Enough to plant him in neutral for now.
nin1000 - My second guess at a possible neutral. Just in general seems to enjoy posting fluff. Not sure scum would want this big of a spotlight on them so I'm going null for now.
Terrabyte20xx - Null, nothing to go off still.
Magnumboy20xx - Null, nothing to go off still.
Lean Scum
AbsolutBro -
*Splinter -
Don't really follow the Stanley logic here. You go from making note of his posting, but even saying you like the change to them voting for him based on the change. Shout out to the AB mention and then instant brush off. This is the lightest of my scum reads to be fair and I'll fully admit part of it is due to me thinking of those that voted for acohrs if any of them are scum I'm leaning Splinter or nin. I also feel like Splinter has done a lot of posting without sharing much of meaning, kind of like Ty4on got accused of D1 by a few of you.
Scum
Bronx-Man -
StanleyPalmtree -
Oh, right.
Lets not forget this bit of info either. Sure seem to be a few familiar names in here, huh.
VOTE: StanleyPalmtree
Town
Ty4on - I read him as town D1 and nothing has changed my feelings since then. His vote at the end of D1 makes my feelings even more firm.
CzarTim - I find his posts insightful and think he has been putting genuine thought into his posts.
Cabot - Has been very helpful in analyzing the situation and posting useful insight. His vote and unvote do not concern me as I know first hand what he was going through at the time.
Kyanrute - I felt some of his play D1 was scummy, but he has really turned it around since then. His continued elevation of play in D2 has really helped alongside his voting at the end of D1 (which he called in advance if the choice came between acohrs and CCS).
Lean Town
Sophia - Her contributions seem to be fairly good and the vote switch at the end of D1 makes her look better than before. Still slight concern due to how ambivalent she seemed about her switch to acohrs in D2. Seemed like she couldn't have cared less who she voted for which if that is the case - why switch?
Null
melonrabbit - Has been a relative non-entity today. I don't have great feelings about her so she's closer to scum than town, but I don't feel as strongly as I previously did. Think she may just be a frustrated townie.
CCS - Definitely closer to scum than town, but he's just a blackhole of nonsense so who the hell knows anymore. I'm trying to not focus on him and let his crazy antics pull me in for now.
Kawl_USC - Would maybe be my first guess at a potential neutral. He hasn't contributed much of anything. He mainly gets into pointless discussions but doesn't really say much that's directly scummy. Also didn't seem to be a fan of Sorian, and well..
Ynnek7 - Felt scummy at times and the CCS vote rubbed me the wrong way. His reads in post 757 make me feel a little better though. Enough to plant him in neutral for now.
nin1000 - My second guess at a possible neutral. Just in general seems to enjoy posting fluff. Not sure scum would want this big of a spotlight on them so I'm going null for now.
Terrabyte20xx - Null, nothing to go off still.
Magnumboy20xx - Null, nothing to go off still.
Lean Scum
AbsolutBro -
Seeding the ground for his later vote shenanigans and missing the target.
The Stanley read is all fluff. The acohrs one reeks of "Let me throw a few pot shots at my teammate but then not actually follow through on it".I'm having to collect this from reading the .net site, and then posting from mobile so apologies if my quotes break or something. I am back in the office, and have a couple meetings this morning (now over), but will be around until 1530 EST. Will try to be useful. I'm reading the thread from the top and making notes/reads as I go, so apologies if some of this is repetitive. I also can't use the post count/search features, so apologies again if this is scattered.
StanleyPalmtree - Kind of chatty for Stan, actually.
Acohrs - Can't tell if it's new player jitters or just trying to keep up with some of the bigger posters. Random posts all over the place, but nothing that immediately reads "smoke screen" to me.
There were a couple posts pg7/pg14 about my play style and yeah, I am really not great at the early game. I wanted to work on that this game, but with the game starting on a Friday and going over the weekend I just couldn't get here as much as I wanted to.
So you made a mistake by not following the vote count because you had multiple tabs open tracking the thread and missed..the votes..? Perhaps these multiple tabs you were tracking weren't explicitly the game thread.
*Splinter -
Don't really follow the Stanley logic here. You go from making note of his posting, but even saying you like the change to them voting for him based on the change. Shout out to the AB mention and then instant brush off. This is the lightest of my scum reads to be fair and I'll fully admit part of it is due to me thinking of those that voted for acohrs if any of them are scum I'm leaning Splinter or nin. I also feel like Splinter has done a lot of posting without sharing much of meaning, kind of like Ty4on got accused of D1 by a few of you.
Scum
Bronx-Man -
"Boy this acohrs guy really feels suspect to me, better vote CCS instead for no real reason and then deal with acohrs tomorrow!"
Shout out to mentioning AB and then never worrying about it again.
What even are these reads. "Here's a few people that I won't assign anything to, but let me throw a few shots out just in case I need to use this as proof later that I wasn't on their side. Oh and here's a few safe town picks." Either those top three reads are garbage or they're your scum reads and you forgot to specify which might be even more suspect given CCS would be in that group and you had the flip flopping incident before.
StanleyPalmtree -
"I don't think acohrs is scum. Actually maybe he is scum..heading that way at least. lol jk super not scum for reasons". Stan manages to get all the way to completely clearing acohrs as scum while ALSO voting for CCS for taking part in a conversation that acohrs ALSO took place in. Boy that sure seems odd.
"Oh silly Fran, of course you get weird feelings from me! I'm town like always! I pinky swear."
Good call, got some criticism in on your teammate all while pushing it off for later AND blending him in with someone innocent. Though oddly I wonder if anyone else has done something similar..
Oh, right.
Lets not forget this bit of info either. Sure seem to be a few familiar names in here, huh.
VOTE: StanleyPalmtree
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
yeah good luck with that.
also you missed the part where i said that im very sure that Bronx-man is town, im sure you could have a field day with that.
also you missed the part where i said that im very sure that Bronx-man is town, im sure you could have a field day with that.
For what it's worth, I don't think the bolded is a particularly helpful alignment tell for nin, at least based on past experience.
In Election Mafia, I had a 1-shot Public alignment check which I used on nin on day 1. The majority of players believed my claim pretty quickly and therefore trusted the Town return result that nin received through my ability.
That didn't stop nin from still posting a load of fluff and role playing posts as Obama. It got quite frustrating at times when he was the only one I could fully trust and he wasn't trying to solve the game like I had hoped.
Maybe it's different this time, but I feel it's relevant enough to bring up and consider.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
oh like an actual response, not a joke?
alrighty then.
well props to Nat that nothing he has brought up here is a straight up lie, just a whole whole lot of twisting things to suit his narrative, one that requires many significant assumptions to be believed.
the only solid thing he had against me was my town reading of achors, which yeah, i was completely wrong about, but that shit happens.
seems like every other point requires you to believe that at least 1 of his own reads are just blatantly correct.
I mean if you're not playing with the idea that your reads are correct, then what are you doing?
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
sure, but Natikos whole argument seems to leave zero room for doubt.
im not going to say not to listen to his argument, just keep in mind how much is fact and how much is just what Nat believes.
my only real scum read on AB are these:
The second bolded point is in response to something I asked Natiko, but this is uh, a lot of mechanics speculation at a point in the game where we really don't have any real idea of how it works, and we won't know more until the phases progress. I felt this was too unnecessary and it was probably one of a handful of times AB has been really engaged in this game.
I will add, however, that I still lean town on AB for most of his other posts. Magnum going after him as well with vote analysis that I would describe is optimistic at best doesn't really make me scum read him further.
Now would scum Magnum stick to his guns and try to take AB down the second day in a row when it doesn't look to be receiving much clout currently?
A question I am pondering.
The second bolded point is in response to something I asked Natiko, but this is uh, a lot of mechanics speculation at a point in the game where we really don't have any real idea of how it works, and we won't know more until the phases progress. I felt this was too unnecessary and it was probably one of a handful of times AB has been really engaged in this game.
I will add, however, that I still lean town on AB for most of his other posts. Magnum going after him as well with vote analysis that I would describe is optimistic at best doesn't really make me scum read him further.
Now would scum Magnum stick to his guns and try to take AB down the second day in a row when it doesn't look to be receiving much clout currently?
A question I am pondering.
I don't think I ever stated I think there can be no doubt about my reads. I mean math wise it's likely that not everyone I listed as leaning scum or scum actually is scum. Three of the four all had weird pivots on acohrs though and then when you look at references or similarities between you all it becomes even more curious. I admitted in the post that Splinter was the oddball out but IF scum had a vote on acohrs there's only so many candidates in my eyes.