Different builds most likely. I reckon the upper one is newer and the FOV has been reduced to increase performance, though i'm not sure if reducing the FOV a bit helps much.
Can't think of any other reason for reducing the FOV.
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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains
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Different builds most likely. I reckon the upper one is newer and the FOV has been reduced to increase performance, though i'm not sure if reducing the FOV a bit helps much.
Can't think of any other reason for reducing the FOV.
YourExWife
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Highlight of tonight's session: Gordon Freeman pls...
Tha Robbertster
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Bread is disgusting.
The Real Napsta
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What is bread?
Tha Robbertster
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The Librarian
Banned
Eat real bread, motherfucker.
So evil.
Played it up until right before you get the crowbar and it's surprisingly good. The voice acting is better than expected, Eli and Kleiner show up which is a nice touch and the moment right after the explosion has a better feel to it than the original. I'm okay with the fact that it's not just the same game with a new graphics layer on top because the graphics are pretty outdated already.I wish I could play Black Mesa.
bobs...onGaf
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I have some ideas I would love to try out with a API, do any other games have them?
The Librarian
Banned
From the screenshots and videos I've seen, it looks so fantastic. I want to play badly.
What's worse is people vote for it..
GodlyPerfection
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Finally got around to this. How I see it is that it is the same compromise you make in the schoolyard. One team gets first pick the other team gets ball first. For the most part I think people will be more comfortable with the ability to fully control at last one part of the game selection and be able to accept the second choice. It could make things more acceptable as long as a good majority of the maps/gametypes are enjoyed by a strong part of the community. Right now we have choices between Swordbase, Pinnacle, Uncaged, etc. that are disliked by a large part of the community. So as long as the content holds up to what the community wants then this system could work out quite well.
See Josh Holmes pitch "Salient", a cancelled/put on hold project at his old studio Propaganda Games.
a miserable pile of sucrose.
Agreed.
ElzarTheBam
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Der Flatulator
Member
I think keep it simple. Have a system similar to reach, but somewhat like Halo 3.
You have 3 choices:
- Gametype A on Map X
- Gametype B on Map Y
- VETO
Reduces lobby time whilst maintaining user choice.
Changes from Reach:
- Split screen players count as one vote (1 vote per console).
- Gametype A != Gametype B
- Map A != Map B
- ONLY VOTES TO VETO ARE SHOWN.
I am not saying that Sword Base and Uncaged are better, worse, indifferent. But I would point out that the bolded is actually at odds with 'democracy' and that voting clearly shows a majority of people do in fact like these maps a lot. Map tastes can be subjective, but I think the objective criticism is repetition. Because these maps are voted up so frequently, hardcore players start to at least vocally resent/hate/criticize them - and I mean that as a separate phenomenon from problem areas or specific criticisms like lift room heat map and so on. This of course is true of ALL shooters, as Nuketown etc demonstrate - often with even more frequency than anything in Reach.
Might as well make the veto combination the third option and remove the veto if you're going with the "vote on two or veto into a third"
Slot 1 is your primetime slot
Slot 2 is the gametype is also popular, but slightly less likely to win or is roughly equal to the first
Slot 3 is where you put the less popular but still viable option, usually a bit more fringe stuff goes here
Slot 1 is your primetime slot
Slot 2 is the gametype is also popular, but slightly less likely to win or is roughly equal to the first
Slot 3 is where you put the less popular but still viable option, usually a bit more fringe stuff goes here
Tbh, I actually liked the previous voting system, the same map always gets picked and it just gets stale and repetitive.
Before Reach, I actually wanted a ranking system like Reach's, but it has shown that the more popular maps will always get picked, which makes them boring in a way.
Can we come up with a term that delineates DMR headshotting or competitive slayer technique from the english language dictionary word word skill? Because everything requires skill. Literally. The idea that it takes 'no skill' to operate a vehicle, or throw a grenade, or climb a structure is faulty. And it grinds my gears.
In fact I think the word technique gets ignored too often in competitive semantics. It is the foundation of skill.
Der Flatulator
Member
I might be under-thinking it, but what if you flipped that. Least popular on top. Would it lead to players trying out new stuff rather than following the crowd?
Bread.
of course they are getting voted, these are maps that are easy to abuse or to camp, the same reason snipers is voted on blood gulch.
this + better launch map control and fixing ( example zealot flag spawns) and gametypes perfectly chosen for the maps
Get some WD-40 for that. Bourbon works in a pinch.
Shake Appeal
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Does that control for 'default' voting? That is, are your stats based on the results of voting, or on what people push a button to vote for?
Yes it would. It it would also lead to afk bias and mean that often people are playing maps nobody likes much and reducing the quality of everyone's experience which would negatively impact matchmaking. Democracy is a bitch.
Amazing Mic
Neo Member
Outside of high level Arena games, I suspect the % of time this happens in matchmaking is pretty small.
Der Flatulator
Member
Remove ALL of the voting!
What if no vote = no vote, not the item at the top of the list? Such that ordering only affects which is chosen in event of a tie?
The Henery
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I love waiting around long enough to watch half the lobby dashboard quit when Rocket Hog Race is voted for then quitting myself. Hahahahahaha now they have to play hog race with only two teams in the match, serves them right for being so selfish as to vote for it
Still one of the most imbalanced team-colour spawns in the game. Another guaranteed quit if things start to go even mildly wrong, more so if I'm on blue team. Before people whine, it's 2012 and life is far, far too short for rocket race and hem snipes. I played a 3v3 Hem snipes a few days ago; it lasted the full 12 minutes and ended something like 38-22. Soul sapping.
This is projection. Snipers is supposed to be about camping and abuse. Other maps like countdown and Sword Base don't really get abused unless one team has zero idea what's happening, which is lopsided non abuse anyway. The only time maps get seriously abused is at a very high level of play. And that's by people who all know what's happening and can take steps to redress the balance. I am not saying it never happens, I am saying its hardly a plague.
I5CharactersMax
Neo Member
I would like this very much.
every sword baseap I play ends in camping on the damn lift room. same for snipers.
Uncaged is easily to dominate when everyone plays jetpack, even spawncamping becomes easy.
maybe the % is low, but I will say that is probably the main reason to vote for it.
maybe you are right. Countdown gets hardly abused, only the corridors are incredible small for reach's nades.
OF course these kind of playstyle is only used by experienced players, you are right. maybe it is just happening for me to often lol
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
If people keep voting for maps I don't like, I just get really mad and want to kill the opposite team that much more. Bad maps improve my skill/focus.
That's a heat map issue. It's inarguable that it happens, but it's not lopsided and teams trade off lift room and main ramp all the time.
Shake Appeal
Member
Right, but this is a false charge, because people really do understand that all of the above actions require skill -- or technique if you prefer. What is implicit in their position is that the margin of error for placing the first headshot on someone in a 1v1 DMR duel -- versus landing a Reach-style grenade in their vicinity or, Jesus Christ, firing a Scorpion's cannon in their general direction -- is much finer. When someone says the latter things take "no skill" they are using hyperbole to express "much less precise technique".
And in the context of Heavies, all those sloppy margins lying across one another in a cluttered and at times arbitrary environment where things spawn frequently and sustained resource (i.e., weapons and vehicles) control is mitigated against, the "technique gap" if you like, gives greater expected value to underdogs. Which isn't inherently bad, let's be clear, but causes dismay to those who are typically not underdogs (e.g., oh, I don't know, kylej), because their +EV is being chipped away at.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Then what do you do when actual good maps show up? Dance with the enemy?
AllIsOneIsNone
Banned
Haha, I try. And when they turn me away I get self-conscious. This leads to anger, which leads to hate, which leads to more death.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Is it? Maybe realistic sniping is, but Halo sniping has always felt more arcadey and like Quake where people can run and jump and headshot eachother with railguns. Camping is possible, but if the game is built the right way and the maps are designed to prevent abuse, snipers can be very fast paced and exciting.
Blood Gulch felt like a better snipers map than Hemmorage, perhaps because of the game mechanics, but also because it didnt seem as easy for players to just crouch somewhere. Although maybe player behaviour is different between the two games in general? All I know is, play Halo PC on Blood Gulch right now and the difference in how people approach the game is monumental.
GodlyPerfection
Member
I stand corrected as I don't have the access to player data for analysis, though I did assume so from observation and experience. I can definitely agree if that is the case and the phenomenon makes sense for sure. The more exposed you are to a map the more of an opinion you want to have on it because of the time you spend on the map both at a conscious and subconscious level. If I spent most of my time in MM on something like Reflection I'll have a much stronger opinion than the comparable amount of time on Temple (actually finally played this one a few days ago... lol).
Such a phenomenon does target said selections for deeper analysis and feedback parsing. As well as considering that the highly vocal and sometimes influential forum community is typically the minority versus those who aren't as vocal on the forums. It is always nice to see new people that join the community because of new changes in order to get their voice heard, but I feel it's safe to say that it is impossible to get everyone to voice their opinion. I love this sort of analysis.
I for one enjoy Swordbase for my own reasons. And Uncaged clashes with my camo playstyle, but I do appreciate its clever and obscure line of sights and ability to steadily balance out traffic around the map.
Well at least much better than the Cage. I only really noticed the line of sights as I was fully rebuilding Uncaged from scratch... don't ask. I appreciate certain aspects of Uncaged, just don't like the map in general. And I have my own opinion of why both happen to be quite frequently picked. But I'll avoid voicing to save the argument.
Amazing Mic
Neo Member
While I'm not particularly found of some of the Heavies maps- I don't see what all the fuss is over the playtype.
My time in vehicles is practically nil- the +1 for headshots makes it a disadvantage to get in from my experience.
My time in vehicles is practically nil- the +1 for headshots makes it a disadvantage to get in from my experience.
squidhands
Member
Yes, the maps are voted for frequently. But there are many things that should be factored into the equation:
- the frequency the map shows up in the first place
- where it often shows up on the voting list (top vs mid vs bottom)
- strategic counter-picking (voting for a map that the other team didn't vote for)
- voting for a map due to one playing better on the map (ex. a player whose K/D is 0.9 on Snowbound and 1.3 on The Pit is probably going to choose The Pit)
- gametype: self explanatory
- and also whether or not people only vote for maps that they're familiar with (Uncaged and Sword Base are both disc maps and have a clear advantage in this regard)
I personally don't hold much regard to the fact that Uncaged and Sword Base get more votes than most maps.
Yes but Halo is a sandbox game and the term skill seems to be reserved for a very narrow range of actions within that sandbox. It's not a philosophical issue for me, it's one of semantics. Partly because my whole job is to care about every aspect of the game and the audience, regardless of my narrow interests. Otherwise I would say that only one shot head kills on Zealot count as skill. In that regard I am an outlier on this forum because people here to tend to gravitate around three or four aspects of the game - especially at this point in its lifespan.
I think it's a combo of the map+gametype for heavies. Maps like Cragmire (sorry), Graveyard (?), Delta Facility, and others have too much emphasis on vehicles, and walking around as infantry will usually get you killed.
Although Asphalt is a decent map.
Der Flatulator
Member
Replace The Cage and Uncaged with my Recaged. All problems solvedI for one enjoy Swordbase for my own reasons. And Uncaged clashes with my camo playstyle, but I do appreciate its clever and obscure line of sights and ability to steadily balance out traffic around the map.