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vg247-PS4: new kits shipping now, AMD A10 used as base, final version next summer
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Ok so what if the orbis comes with a 2TF+ gpu along with this APU?
I wasn't too sure on that.
XtremeXpider
Member
Nope.Also that you mentioned that earlier wasn't the 7800 GT less powerful than the xenos?So xenos was the best single gpu on the market in 2005?
Fried Food
Banned
E3 is going to be insane
Don't think it'll be 8GB in PS4, no matter which way you cut it. Even if the raw figure is 8G,B a portion (assuming 1GB) would be reserved for OS (don't if it'd be locked or unlocked like PS3). Personally, I think we'll get 4GB total with around 3GB for game development (at least in the beginning). At least it's better than 2GB overall which was the initial rumour.
The fun usually starts a few months before it.
Death Dealer
Member
Would 3GB be enough to get rid of Crytek's aggressive LOD pop in on consoles? Even more so that they're using tessellation?
Interesting but then why is a 7800 gtx below the minimum requirements for BF3?Windows overhead?
XtremeXpider
Member
What about edram?
I don't think they would pour their resources into taking advantage of potential implementation of either SSD or 16xBD (peak transfer rate of 72MBps). We may still see gimped ports from them. For the system's potential it'll be best to look toward Sony's 1st parties. They should be able to mitigate a potential lack of RAM through the usage of advanced streaming methods (which are ever evolving).
Pertaining to LOD pop in (one of the most distracting elements in 3D games today) I have always wondered why not use some form of progressive tessellation with one base and one final model?
So collections of collections?
lol yeah,but what about the people who don't have a 4 mbps connection which is the minimum requirement for playing via gaikai?how will they play their ps3 games on the ps4?If PS3 playback is more important to you, buy a PS3 and play PS4 games via Gaikai-ed up forwards compatibility.
If PS4 playback is more important to you, buy a PS4 and play PS3 games Gaikai-ed up backwards compatibility.
Simples
So Uncharted 1-3 1080p 60fps Editions?
lol,4k 120fps 4d.
I know what that means but for the general consumer that isn't much of a difference at all,i don't think this idea would take off,there has to be some way for ensuring b/c on the ps4 so that all the s/w purchased as well as the psn profiles for the ps3 carries over.
R
Rösti
Unconfirmed Member
Source: http://www.spike.com/press/2012/06/04/samuel-l-jackson-to-host-vga-ten/
There's also GDC 2013. Information about speakers and tracks haven't been made available yet, and the floor plans indicate little that there is something big to be unveiled/shown there. But that might change.
As for the discussion, I'm mostly interested in what kind of RAM memory they are going to use. Will it be DDR4, HMC, Z-RAM even?
Well i wouldnt mind personally, but Uncharted doesnt have PC version... It's going to be more like CoD 1080p60 S3D...
That sounds cool but I don't think devs would want to put in all that work for games that most people will be done playing by the time the PS4 comes.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
Where does the rumor about Durango 6970 target spec comes from? If true, that would mean that ~3TF spec is definitely in the cards, as 6970 has 2.7TF.
Proelite
Member
The alpha kits have 6870/6950 based on the profile of the GPU from the back. Not sure where 6970 comes from.
Assume that it'll be an near equivalent (if it is indeed 6970) with Sea Island line (88XX most likely).
Canis lupus
Member
Many games are getting a digital release on PSN anyway. These PS3 games could be made playable on PS4 just like PS2 classics on PS3 consoles with no BC.
Phoenician_Viking
Banned
So this is why i have SingStar on my fucking XMB. I know i did not download it, and i can´t delete it. Fucking stupid intrusive shit. This does not bode well for next gen advertising and intrusiveness wise.
KojiKnight
Member
Either way, they'd be charging for them (they won't be able to convince every developer to port their games to new hardware for free).
I don't here many people talking about the option about partial hardware emulation... do we know the current market price of the cell by itself? I imagine that would be the only difficult part to emulate (or build compatible functions into). RSX was an off the shelf Nvidia card with a limited bus, a new AMD chip would be able to cover that well enough.
It wouldn't be like the PS2 where the entire system was kind of off for that.
Also, anyone with sources here anything about a full software PS2 emulator akin to the PS1 emu found in PS3 (or the partial one in PS3)? Would at least nice to be able to have that BC.
pharmboy044
Member
So with this logic, all PSN games should be playable on the PS4?
TheGreyHulk
Member
True. 8GB is reaching. 512mb-1gb for the OS reserve is a must. 1.5gb min for 1080p frame buffer. That's already 2-2.5gb taken up already. 4GB total sounds reasonable IMO. 1.5-2GB free OUTSIDE of the 1.5gb used for the 1080p frame buffer for the devs to use is better than the measly 300 something mb total they have to work with now. I'd want 8GB for the sake of the future, but i'd be satisfied with 4GB so long as it's all one large unified pool of fast ram and they have a decent amount of edram on chip.
I think it'll be 4GB GDDR5 with 512MB reserved for the OS.
Shtof
Member
Wishful thinking, and not likely at all.
I'm thinking that they will have to be changed to function on the PS4 and that of course would be up to the developer.
The ram dont need to be as fast if you have some kind of edram associated to the GPU (or in that case, the APU).
For PS3 iirc it's around 50MB for OS since the last two or three years. So the devs have about 460 MB to work with.
Pertaining to frame buffer, can I ask how it requires around 1.5GB @1080p? Also are you talking about VRAM exclusively?
Pertaining to OS, the Vita's one seems to add more features and I think that one uses around 256MB for it. So it boggles my mind just what form of OS are we to see that may require between 512MB to 1GB RAM?
DirectX and eveyone dosent have the same pc hardware.....
On PS3 and 360 devs can code to the metal and use the most of the hardware.
A 7800GTX cant run Killzone 3, BF3, Crysis 2, Skyrim, Dragon Age, Wipeout HD etc etc
You cant compare it that bluntly, even though some comparisions can be made with what pcs can do.
TheGreyHulk
Member
I was talking about 1.5gb to use for VRAM. OS footprints are small, but i can see them walling off a section from devs for system use only like Nintendo does with their Wii U. I don't see why they would even need 512mb in this day and age, but i was being very generous with the partitioning to account for the worst case scenarios.
They can put a custom 28nm Oland Pro.
This chart was released as guess work and has been sourced numerous times as fact. I've even linked to the source in the past to prove this. It makes no logical sense as Wattage goes down while chip size, number of transistors and clock speeds all raise. It's literally magic and people are eating it up.
http://videocardz.com/34981/amd-radeon-hd-8870-and-hd-8850-specifiation-leaked here is the source
This is the first line in the title: "Well, maybe this is not a leak, but prediction." <again it breaks the laws of physics, yes they can find efficiency problems with GCN, but nothing that will show gains like this while receding in every other area. It's baffling that it was taken seriously.
The "walling" as you put it is thing I'm afraid of. I don't think they'd do it because later down the line it could be detrimental to projects aiming to improve the OS's efficiency. Does anyone know if Vita's OS RAM footprint is locked or not?
Also, pertaining to VRAM frame buffer, I don't quite understand why it would require 1.5GB (and I'm a technical novice at best) since I have seen graphics cards come with 1GB of GDDR5 VRAM run games @1080p comfortably.
SniperHunter
Banned
huge leap should be expected from first party devs with more knowledge, obviously the engines will improve but still....
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
If 6870 is what's in there, that's not bad either. That one has ~2TF.
TDP in the Radeon 7870 is ~170w but peak wattage is more ~120w. Though i would take clearly this chart with caution.
Proelite
Member
Piecing little bits and pieces that I heard,
Orbis:
Customized Kaveri APU with > 1 teraflop
2-4GB of DDR4
Audio DSP
Customized Sea Island discrete GPU 2-3 teraflops
1-2GB GDDR5
ARM + PowerVr SOC (Apps and OS only)
2GB LDDR3
The Arm SOC allows for easy porting of both Vita and mobile games.
Orbis:
Customized Kaveri APU with > 1 teraflop
2-4GB of DDR4
Audio DSP
Customized Sea Island discrete GPU 2-3 teraflops
1-2GB GDDR5
ARM + PowerVr SOC (Apps and OS only)
2GB LDDR3
The Arm SOC allows for easy porting of both Vita and mobile games.
I'm confused. Current rumours state the PS4 to have 8GB RAM in total?