Playing your favorite character to have fun is fine and all, but when you join competetive I expect some game sense.
Game sense means recognizing that 3 Snipers leave your frontline weak.
Game sense means recognizing that the enemy team is stacked with counters to your favorite character (just as bad with Pharahs that don't notice the soldier-mccree-zen comp on the other side).
Game sense means seeing when you need picks and when you need general pushing power.
Game sense means admitting you're not doing so well and switching.
2-2-2 or Dive comp. Triple Tank is still viable once in a while. Pretty diverse with Dive comp is getting more and more popular.I haven't played Overwatch in a long ass time, so what's the meta exactly?
Game sense is such a rarity apparently, even in Masters/Grandmasters.
This week most of my losses have been from uncontested heroes carrying an otherwise beatable team (Lots of Pharahs and Winstons). My teammates will bitch and moan about them but they refuse to swap and just deal with it themselves, and the moment the "Defeat" screen pops up they whine about never being able to reach their next rank.
I really don't get the logic, I just don't get it at all. Especially when theres usually someone mid match saying exactly what we need, or players like me willing to Hero/Role Swap often to make the comp work.
I haven't played Overwatch in a long ass time, so what's the meta exactly?
rein, soldier, ana, lucio, hog, zaria
rein, soldier, ana, lucio, hog, zaria
most matches that end in loss are almost always a rein or a mercy switch away from being able to be a win. but people trust their ______ (fill in the hero) to the bitter end instead of switching to what is needed.
that's not exclusive to sniper classes.
In the end, you'll win if you're good enough to carry yourself to a win. The moment you start placing blame on others is the moment you stop advancing in the game. You can carry a mediocre/bad _________ (fill in the hero) through most ranks if you're decent.
That's the ugly truth most players don't want to deal with: they aren't as good as they think they are and resort to blaming others instead of figuring out what they could have done better.
So if anyone detracts from this line-up, they get yelled at?
I will never understand the mindset of trying to dictate how others play the game. This community effort to try and shame people out of playing certain characters is baffling to me. If you cared that much what other people were playing, why on earth would you be playing with randoms at all?
all it reminds me of is the Dunkey video he whoops ass with Hanzo to prove them all wrong.
That mentality is exactly the problem. Im assuming of course you mean in competitive.
If I'm proficient with my character then no that is not the problem. You guys make it a problem.
If I play Hanzo for a week and just make a supercut of every 1hk and every half decent killstreak I get its gonna make it look like Hanzo is amazing... Even if I'm a detriment to my team the other 95% of the time.
except that youre not
If I'm proficient with my character then no that is not the problem. You guys make it a problem.
As long as you're being effective, I don't give a shit what you play, even if it's Torb on attack. Make it happen.
If you're some kind of novelty/main that's trash at a hero that's not suited for the situation we're in and are not contributing, then please be flexible and open to trying other things, or else you're just ruining the game for others.
All of the above only applies in Competitive. Do not give a shit what people decide to play outside of comp, obviously.
I have no problems with Hanzo either way, but something about picking Widow during Attack phase just seems wrong. I've never said anything to anyone though and honestly I've seen an occasion or two where that person fucking delivered.. that's a bit rare though. But on the other hand, maybe that is who they're comfortable with or they're trying to learn to be better with... telling someone to pick another character puts the assumption that they're better with another character up and I wouldn't assume as much.
2-2-2 or Dive comp. Triple Tank is still viable once in a while. Pretty diverse with Dive comp is getting more and more popular.
rein, soldier, ana, lucio, hog, zaria
no but when you pick characters from the absolute bottom tier who have no reason EVER being played if winning is the objective, then yes.
edit - in competitive
Then you should try it for once and be amazed.
This is completely false, it's not a bad "safe" team comp on certain maps but it's not even remotely "the meta". This team is legitimately garbage in some maps too, like Oasis Gardens.
Do you actually watch GM games? Not even talking tournaments here, just high level ladder play, just watch some actual games before spouting off.
Man, this is why Gold and Plat can be so toxic. What people don't realize is that it's often (but not always) better to have people play what they're good at than it is to force someone to switch to make you feel better about hero "tier".
This is something GM and Masters player do MUCH better from when I see streamers on twitch (myself, I'm not at that level). They accomodate off-meta mains. There are quite a few off-meta one-tricks in GM and even in top 500 (e.g. SteveoO is a Symm one-trick who's consistently been in top 500, KolorBastion is a Bastion one-trick, Codey isn't a one-trick but he mains Sombra, Kephrii mains Widowmaker...)
They realize that making Kephrii play Reinhardt is usually an idiotic idea, and instead they accomodate his Widow play because he's a really freaking good Widowmaker. And he's flexible enough that he will switch off Widow in situations where it's really necessary.
Man, this is why Gold and Plat can be so toxic. What people don't realize is that it's often (but not always) better to have people play what they're good at than it is to force someone to switch to make you feel better about hero "tier".
This is something GM and Masters player do MUCH better from when I see streamers on twitch (myself, I'm not at that level). They accomodate off-meta mains. There are quite a few off-meta one-tricks in GM and even in top 500 (e.g. SteveoO is a Symm one-trick who's consistently been in top 500, KolorBastion is a Bastion one-trick, Codey isn't a one-trick but he mains Sombra, Kephrii mains Widowmaker...)
They realize that making Kephrii play Reinhardt is usually an idiotic idea, and instead they accomodate his Widow play because he's a really freaking good Widowmaker. And he's flexible enough that he will switch off Widow in situations where it's really necessary.
With Hanzo you could probably be playing someone more useful but I don't mind seeing him on my team, there are a decent number of people that are good with him.
Widow though I consider to be basically a throw on consoles unless you are a GM or something. Still, at best I will politely ask someone to change if it isn't working, ain't no point raging about it.
no thx. i can get plenty of bad players by solo queuing
youre a gold/platinum player? nuff said
At Master level, those players are likely good with the listed heroes and they are willing to switch if necessary. Neither of those things apply to most snipers in Platinum and below. They will ignore team composition, ignore staying on the objective, and often turn the match into a 5v6. Overwatch is a team game. If you aren't going to pick what's in the best interest of the team, just stick to quick play.This is completely false, it's not a bad "safe" team comp on certain maps but it's not even remotely "the meta". This team is legitimately garbage in some maps too, like Oasis Gardens.
Do you actually watch GM games? Not even talking tournaments here, just high level ladder play, just watch some actual games before spouting off.
Man, this is why Gold and Plat can be so toxic. What people don't realize is that it's often (but not always) better to have people play what they're good at than it is to force someone to switch to make you feel better about hero "tier".
This is something GM and Masters player do MUCH better from when I see streamers on twitch (myself, I'm not at that level). They accomodate off-meta mains. There are quite a few off-meta one-tricks in GM and even in top 500 (e.g. SteveoO is a Symm one-trick who's consistently been in top 500, KolorBastion is a Bastion one-trick, Codey isn't a one-trick but he mains Sombra, Kephrii mains Widowmaker...)
They realize that making Kephrii play Reinhardt is usually an idiotic idea, and instead they accomodate his Widow play because he's a really freaking good Widowmaker. And he's flexible enough that he will switch off Widow in situations where it's really necessary.
I make more money than you do so I'm good thanks. I'll spend my time watching actually good players.
Feel free to link your stream
no but when you pick characters from the absolute bottom tier who have no reason EVER being played if winning is the objective, then yes.
edit - in competitive
no thx. i can get plenty of bad players by solo queuing
I do enjoy watching good players. That's why I watch teams like Lunatic Hai or Rogue run over people with Winston/Genji/Tracer/Zen. I forgot, what was the meta again?i hope you enjoy watching because you wont be spending any of your time actually being a good player. oh and the heroes i listed are the most played mains in grandmaster. only one i missed was mercy
No god damn it. You win games by letting people play what they are good at. As long as everyone can play at their best it's fine. Urgh, toxic.
Edit: Oh shit you are one of these toxic eltist players in Overwatch. Don't mind my post.
At Master level, those players are likely good with the listed heroes and they are willing to switch if necessary. Neither of those things apply to most snipers in Platinum and below. They will ignore team composition, ignore staying on the objective, and often turn the match into a 5v6. Overwatch is a team game. If you aren't going to pick what's in the best interest of the team, just stick to quick play.
On another note, if I see a Widow/Hanzo/Sombra on the other team, I get excited. Easy win.
Like others said this depends on the rank. Gold or Platinum, sure whatever, you are likely placed where you need to be anyway.
Diamond+? You should realistically be able to play more than one hero (Or a hero from each role) at the same level, otherwise I feel they should be considered a hindrance to the team. What if your main gets locked out by someone else, you are just gonna be sub-par/shit the rest of the match? What if we desperately need a different DPS/Tank and you are the only one who can swap because the others are staples/hard counters?
I can play Reaper, Soldier, Mei, Reinhardt, Zarya, Roadhog, Winston, Mercy, and Zen well enough that I realistically couldn't say I have a single main (Though that would probably fall between Zarya and Zen), and I understand the mechanics/usage of the rest of the cast. I consider anyone in the Diamond+ range who cannot play more than one hero well a bad player, period. (Unless you are literally a Tournament/Top Tier Pro player, who I still assume have multiple heroes under their belt despite having a preference)
Who gives a shit?? People can play what they want its just a game plus they paid for it so who am I to tell them who or how to play.
You should always be able to play at least one character in every category else you didn't understand Overwatch itself. But what I wanted to say is that I don't want to push someone, in my SR 3982 currently, to play a character which whom they are really not good. At least I will let them play their pick then and I or others will gladly change as long as the person communicated that. As you said, so I agree with you.
Why would I push someone to play Ana when they can only play Mercy, but Mercy is already picked and his next best character is McCree and not Soldier?
Who gives a shit?? People can play what they want its just a game plus they paid for it so who am I to tell them who or how to play.