Datschge said:
Are we talking about the same Intel that just replaced its homebrew graphics in the latest Atoms with PowerVR graphics again? Can't imagine it suddenly has graphics that actually can compete besides some special feature like this thread's 4K video playback.
My impression is that AMD and Intel have been competing for the same desktop market for 30 years with AMD having just a slightly more efficient better design but Intel with better Fab able to make their chips less power hungry. AMD purchased their own Fab but still couldn't compete with Intel Fabs and recently sold their FAB.
AMD released the Bulldozer and Intel had Sandy Bridge, of course the newer AMD Bulldozer is a more efficient design. Now with Ivy bridge it's comparable to AMD's bulldozer but Intel Fab is at 22nm with plans to go to 14nm. That is a game changer making the Intel Ivy bridge very attractive!
With a desktop design at 22nm it's possible to use Intel Ivy Bridge Desktop GPUs in netbooks and Laptops. Intel has the Atom processors designed for handhelds, netbooks and Google TVs but it's a much less powerful line of CPU. Point is that because of the Tri-gate technology and 22nm, Intel top end chips are more efficient and as a result are migrating down to some of the market that normally used Atom chips and Atom Chips at 22nm are also more efficient and multi-CPU design SOC are planned making the ATOM line competitive with the ARM processor which is dominating the low power market because of it's efficient design (AMD Vs Intel (ARM Vs Atom) all over again in the low power market.
Anyway, that's my impression. Intel's Tri-gate FAB technology is giving them a competitive edge in the FAB process. Sony has been using SOI for a more efficient design allowing a smaller die size but even using SOI I think would have problems getting to 22nm as is everyone else from what I have read. That is causing delays which might have impacted the VITA and the reason Samsung was chosen to produce the Vita SOC.
Point is that the next generation Game Console is going to be under pressure to be energy efficient and sell at a reasonable cost and 32nm or less fab was one of the ticks that was required for this.
Other ticks, at least a 4 times increase in performance, the PS4 with 4K resolution minimum and an inexpensive holographic blu-ray drive to allow 4K blu-ray which I think is the next step for Sony. (GE announced a couple months ago a complete ecosystem from manufacturing to player for holographic blu-ray that required very few changes to a blu-ray player thus insuring very little cost increase for the drive.) Tie this to message 172 above!
So it looks like everything is in place for next generation.
Edit: onQ123, myself and others have been predicting the move to 4K media support from Sony for years and have been jumped on and verbally abused for this opinion. There is now PROOF, it's settled....Sony is going to support 4K in the PS3 (as much as is possible, still picture output to start), you think the PS4 won't support 4K?
If you look at what Sony is supporting in their cameras:
Still Image Max Effective Resolution Approx. 16.1 Megapixels
Still Image Size 16:9 12M (4,608 x 2,592) / 2M (1,920 x 1,080) (exceed or equal 4K & 2K native video resolution Standards)
Still Image Size 3:2 No
Still Image Size 4:3 16M (4,608 x 3,456), 10M (3,648 x 2,736), 5M (2,592 x 1,944), VGA (640 x 480)
Panorama Still Image Size 7,152 x 1,080 (248deg) / 4,912 x 1,080 (170deg) / 4,912 x 1,920 (170deg) / 3,424 x 1,920 (119deg)
Sweep Multi Angle Image Size No
Video Format MP4 / MPEG-4 Visual
Add to the above 3-D pictures then look at what the PS3 is going to be able to display and it matches! In fact Sony mentions the PS3 as a platform to view these pictures in their ads. 4K consumer video cameras are coming. When those are released by Sony the PS3 MIGHT support 4k video at 24hz.
The Sensor in the above camera specs can do 4K now but the framerate/datatransfer ability for video might not be in this camera. It's coming!
What Intel is doing with 22nm and trigate Sony is doing with the "EXMOR R" cmos sensor for cameras and SXRD Xtal LCD for 4K projection.
https://dealersource.sel.sony.com/dsweb/p/builtin/sony_4k_home_theater.html said:
In just a few years, Sony 4K transformed the movie theater industry. Now, it will transform your home theater experience.
8,800 screens worldwide as of June 1, 2011
6,600 screens in the US47% are 3D-capable
45% share of US digital screensnearly as many Sony 4K 3D-capable projectors installed as all others combined
Does 4K make a difference.
