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dmr87 · Feb 17, 2013

Update - Rock Paper Shotgun

There are two possibilities. Jason Jones has never heard of Team Fortress 2, Counter-Strike, or any other number of hugely played online FPS games for the PC. Or Bungie just don’t give a toss about reality any more. I’m sure what he meant to say was, “We couldn’t be bothered to make a PC version,” but for some reason it came out as, “Blurble flurble flipple-flopple ploooooooo.”

Perhaps he misspoke, perhaps he’s a braggart who thinks Halo changed the face of FPS while no one else noticed, perhaps he just meant the regenerating health thing…? But I’m pretty sure I’d like to see him going up against some of the best online FPS players in the world, him with his joystick, them with their mice and keyboards that they haven’t been told they don’t want to use any more.

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"A lot of news on Bungie's new shooter Destiny has come out this morning, and while it looks like an interesting game, their hasn't been a PC version announced by the Halo developer. Something said by the studio's co-founder, Jason Jones may bring some light as to why their might not be a PC version of Destiny."

We did a bunch of ambitious things on Halo deliberately to reach out to people," Jason Jones told us. "We limited players to two weapons, we gave them recharging health, we automatically saved and restored the game -- almost heretical things to first-person shooters at the time. We made the game run without a mouse and keyboard. And now nobody plays shooters the way they used to play them before Halo 'cause nobody wants to.

"I don't know about you, but I play shooters with a mouse and keyboard, and it's because I want to. I have a 360 controller for my PC, but I rarely use it. I have tried playing some shooters on my girlfriends PlayStation 3, and I can't stand it. I know I am not alone here, and that there are thousands if not millions of gamers who prefer using a mouse and keyboard.

I also liked old-school shooters that had health packs and the choice to quick save when I wanted to. There are still shooters that don't follow the Halo formula like Max Payne 3 that are very successful. Halo is a great game, but it's a bold statement to say that we don't want to play shooters the way we used to."

http://www.destructoid.com/bungie-says-nobody-plays-shooters-the-way-they-used--245428.phtml
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/17/destiny-not-coming-to-pc-bungie-deny-reality/

gdt · Feb 17, 2013

Platy · Feb 17, 2013

Nobody plays shooters like Quake 1 because THERE IS NO MORE SHOOTERS LIKE QUAKE 1

*oldvsnewleveldesigninfps.jpg*

Jarmel · Feb 17, 2013

We did a bunch of ambitious things on Halo deliberately to reach out to people," Jason Jones told us. "We limited players to two weapons, we gave them recharging health, we automatically saved and restored the game -- almost heretical things to first-person shooters at the time. We made the game run without a mouse and keyboard. And now nobody plays shooters the way they used to play them before Halo 'cause nobody wants to.

More like we don't have any other option.

Acidote · Feb 17, 2013

But I want to play shooters the way I used to.

Artanisix · Feb 17, 2013

I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

cyberheater · Feb 17, 2013

They're right. A 360 pad is the way to go.

EdibleExplosives · Feb 17, 2013

Bungie, wtf are you doing today?

Soi-Fong · Feb 17, 2013

Yup. While the controller is now a viable way to play FPS games, nothing beats the original mouse and keyboard. It's a foolish statement from them.

Eideka · Feb 17, 2013

FPS on PC are a proof that they're wrong.

ArjanN · Feb 17, 2013

I played some Counter-Strike yesterday...

sp3000 · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

Mainly because FPS games don't require any skill anymore.

Tempy · Feb 17, 2013

EDIT: Misread

Pacbois · Feb 17, 2013

"Bungie says nobody drives cars with a wheel & pedals"

kami_sama · Feb 17, 2013

Eideka said:
FPS on PC are a proof that they're wrong.

This.

Porcile · Feb 17, 2013

I'd love to see a return to Goldeneye or Perfect Dark style shooter's. Recharging health and limited amount of guns are terrible ideas. It's no wonder this generation totally lost me with FPS's.

Paches · Feb 17, 2013

They just continue to deflate my hype.

Sadhorn.wav

derFeef · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

Not really. I like shooters with a controller or a mouse, both can feel good, depending on the game.

def sim · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

Some of us don't struggle with it. I like both methods just fine.

Ape Gone Insane · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

Oh hey, one of the biggest circlejerks in gaming has reared its ugly head again.

Kouriozan · Feb 17, 2013

I agree because shooters are boring now.

Square Triangle · Feb 17, 2013

"Easyyy there, Bungie"
- Activision

chickdigger802 · Feb 17, 2013

I only play shooters on consoles if they allow super aim assist so I won't feel frustrated trying to aim.

liquidfox00 · Feb 17, 2013

It's all hyperbole right now. I'm willing to bet that Destiny is going to be a timed exclusive on next-gen consoles with the PC version launching with KB/M control.

Wario64 · Feb 17, 2013

Bungle is full of themselves. Tone down that hype machine there...

StuBurns · Feb 17, 2013

It's pretty broad, but it's not far from the truth, Halo was the defining moment in shooters moving primarily to a console audience, and design being dictated by the standard gamepad limitations.

EdibleExplosives · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

This is just as ridiculous as the quote in the OP.

jimi_dini · Feb 17, 2013

Because we can't.

polyh3dron · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

Yeah using something made for text input combined with something made to move a pointer on a screen that can only be used at a desk is far better.

GrayFoxPL · Feb 17, 2013

Bioshock doesn't play like Halo and that's what I love about it.

Hato-kun · Feb 17, 2013

Yep. I feel at home on a controller. I can rip headshots like nothing else on a 360 pad.

gurudyne · Feb 17, 2013

More proof that it's less important to say something true than it is to say something pointlessly controversial when you have something to sell.

GoddyofAus · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

I have to disagree. I find Mice incredibly inprecise at the best of times. Joysticks give me firmer control over where I'm aiming.

MarshMellow96 · Feb 17, 2013

Sounds like nobody does reveals like they used to either..

ZombieSupaStar · Feb 17, 2013

And now nobody plays Halo the way they used to play it before Call of Duty 'cause nobody wants to.

sounds better to me.

polyh3dron said:
Yeah using something made for text input combined with something made to move a pointer on a screen that can only be used at a desk is far better.

all games are moving pointers on a screen though... hence console games using auto aim, and magnetic iron sites.

gryz · Feb 17, 2013

Platy said:
Nobody plays shooters like Quake 1 because THERE IS NO MORE SHOOTERS LIKE QUAKE 1

*oldvsnewleveldesigninfps.jpg*

searching for a bunch of different colored keys was never fun

jet1911 · Feb 17, 2013

There are still shooters that don't follow the Halo formula like Max Payne 3 that are very successful.

Successful might not be the term I'd used...

chickdigger802 · Feb 17, 2013

polyh3dron said:
Yeah using something made for text input combined with something made to move a pointer on a screen that can only be used at a desk is far better.

not sure about the keyboard, but the notion of move cursor over an enemy and clicking isn't that different from moving your mouse pointer over an icon and clicking.

StuBurns · Feb 17, 2013

GrayFoxPL said:
Bioshock doesn't play like Halo and that's what I love about it.

BioShock Infinite looks to have dropped to two guns/two plasmids.

MEATfast · Feb 17, 2013

I'm not getting this game if there's no PC version.

cyberheater · Feb 17, 2013

Wario64 said:
Bungle is full of themselves. Tone down that hype machine there...

Hey. You leave Bungle out of this.

Blueblur1 · Feb 17, 2013

The one time Jason Jones says something and it's this? Yikes.

BocoDragon · Feb 17, 2013

You are wrong Bungie.. Gamers want to hunt around for a level-ending switch!!

Wait, no they don't. Bungie is totally right.

Row · Feb 17, 2013

Artanisix said:
I don't know how people play FPS games with a controller. It is the most clumsy, sluggish, awful control scheme possible.

For aiming quickly and precisely kb/m is much better, but for movement and managing many things at once a controller is far better. In both cases there's no comparison.

Penguins&PolarBears · Feb 17, 2013

I just can't enjoy playing most games with keyboard and mouse (StarCraft is probably the only mouse game I ever got into). Even Doom I played on a game console. Whenever I played PC games I always did it with a game controller and until recently PC game controllers were abysmal.

I get what he is saying about two weapons only. Every shooter does this now and I never thought about this idea coming from Halo. It makes a huge difference in game play and fun of the game limiting you to only two weapons.

Toa TAK · Feb 17, 2013

StuBurns said:
BioShock Infinite looks to have dropped to two guns/two plasmids.

Really? You mean, it's not like BioShock 1 & 2 with all guns/plasmids?

That's disappointing.
EDIT:

GoddyofAus said:
*Vigors, and no, the weapons are the only things that are limited to 2. Vigors are still unlimited.

This I can live with.

FyreWulff · Feb 17, 2013

Jason Jones said*

GoddyofAus · Feb 17, 2013

StuBurns said:
BioShock Infinite looks to have dropped to two guns/two plasmids.

*Vigors, and no, the weapons are the only things that are limited to 2. Vigors are still unlimited.

thetrin · Feb 17, 2013

I can't even fathom preferring a controller to KBM for shooters, but that's just me.

Row said:
For aiming quickly and precisely kb/m is much better, but for movement and managing many things at once a controller is far better. In both cases there's no comparison.

I don't know about that. Even with movement, KBM is better for things like precise turnabouts.

Nokterian · Feb 17, 2013

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