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inFamous: Second Son Characters Polygon Count revealed (120k Polygons)
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nelsonroyale
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The actual modelling or the whole package including texturing? Because if you are simply arguing the modelling, then argue away.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
Unsurprisingly, PS4 CPU is the main constraint until they start using the GPU for compute in future.
They used compute. It's in the .pdf.
They do plan on using it more in the future.
Speaking about modeling.
amstradcpc
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Unsurprisingly, PS4 CPU is the main constraint until they start using the GPU for compute in future.
Sony first parties miss SPUs a lot... a pity they didn´t include a bunch of them.
LightofRohan
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Probably the incinematic lod that is used is 120k, but they probably swap it with I'd say 60k model ingame. His facial rig is really limited ingame so the tri count wouldn't need to be so substanial. The faces were definitly really dense in the cinematics however.
Stillmatic
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If we're talking in-game models, I don't see what you're seeing. Do you have any examples for Ryse?
Stillmatic
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Thanks for that, here's a comparison from the few gameplay pics in that thread, and some decent one's I've found elsewhere. Nothing has been down-scaled, all are native 1080p screens, and all are player controlled.
If anyone wants me to post the full res version of any screen, just ask!
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
They said "over 100,000". (including guns)
Pretty sure that means between 100k-110k, otherwise they'd say >110k, >120k, >130k etc., no?
flipswitch
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How good are the self shadows on delsin. Is that some form of ambient occlusion they're using? Usually the self shading in most games including next gen look terrible and rough but not in SS for some reason.
AbandonedTrolley
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Pretty certain I remember blasting the dinosaur bones too. But yeah there sure aren't any destructable environments........
dr guildo
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Thanks for that, here's a comparison from the few gameplay pics in that thread, and some decent one's I've found elsewhere. Nothing has been down-scaled, all are native 1080p screens, and all are player controlled.
If anyone wants me to post the full res version of any screen, just ask!
Wow, this cleanness applied on those ISS shots, as if they were taken from bullshots when you compare them to Ryse's shots. Side by side, the difference is quite blattant.
DarkLordMalik
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Next to none jaggies in the inFamous shotsThanks for that, here's a comparison from the few gameplay pics in that thread, and some decent one's I've found elsewhere. Nothing has been down-scaled, all are native 1080p screens, and all are player controlled.
If anyone wants me to post the full res version of any screen, just ask!
I do see them in the Ryse one.
DarkLordMalik
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The slide mentioned no LOD for the character. It did mention various LODs for all the NPC in the city. I guess the main characters are all real-time - and they do look good - while LOD is only used for the NPCs.
The reason to mention cutscenes distinctly from ingame is because in game has to do a lot more work than what a cutscene requires especially if we are talking multiplayer. It's not 1to1 but it's not cg either. I still respect things done in real time regardless but the distinction should and needs to be made in certain discussions.
the wrinkles above her top lip moving as she was speaking blew my mind
it's like asking if during replay a car gets more poly than ingame for a gran turismo game
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
It's not always the same. Some devs change assets or iq during this process. If there are no changes it's valid, but if not then citing the fact it's not in game should be stated. There are plenty of games be it racing or not where things do change. Say for instance halo games and taking screenshots that had tons of iq changes that during game were no where to be found.
Miles Quaritch
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Ryse has very impressive character models with fantastic facial animations, but I:SS really blew me away...
Screens really don't do these moments justice, the facial animations are off the goddamn charts. Wish I had captured the footage so I could knock out some webms.
Screens really don't do these moments justice, the facial animations are off the goddamn charts. Wish I had captured the footage so I could knock out some webms.
dragonbane
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I think after the mistake was cleared up the Sorcerer in QD's tech demo was about 100k polys (and not 1 million). It probably wins the comparison because of textures though. Sorcerer uses a much bigger amount of memory than Delsin in that regard.
There are some good techniques out there. Self-shadows on the characters in Beyond was impressive for ps3.
amstradcpc
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Next to none jaggies in the inFamous shots
I do see them in the Ryse one.
Suker Punch (Sony ICE team?) SMAA t2x is that good....
Miles Quaritch
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I didn't really think much of the Character's in infamous, beyond Delsin all of their faces were awful and when they raised their arms it looked like they had wingsuits on. Even the main villain was awful and looked like she had a facial from the same Spa that Captain Shepherd used.
Beyond's were fantastic even without as many polygons
What's up with that picture of Delsin. Lighting seems off and it doesn't really look how it looks in game...
dragonbane
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Second shot looks creepy, same with your latest Delsin shot (weird/too perfect looking teeth). Definetly needs a WebM.
Funny enough Ryse uses the same or a more advanced solution than that. I assume resolution hurts it.
dragonbane
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Was it? Actually I do remember them to be pretty sharp as well. Beyond probably has a little bit less baking though considering time of day dynamically changes in more than one chapter. But yeah shadows in Heavy Rain were one of its strenghts. Tearing, static looking lighting and poor textures in a lot of places were about the only things dragging it down when it was released (now character models and animation are probably its biggest aging problem). Fortunately Beyond fixed most of these issues. They sure stepped their game up considering Heavy Rain was only decent looking right after Uncharted 2.
blueplancha
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Apparently this is what the count are for various David Cage games:
Uses a quarter of the polys yet Ellen's face looks better than Delsin's [in both ways..]... testament to Beyond, I guess.
Yeah, I don't get why people are so impressed with I:SS.
Yes, the characters faces occasionally animate well but, other than Delsin, the low resolution texture work really, REALLY hurts the overall look.
I won't deny that I:SS is a great looking game, especially as it's open world, but the characters just aren't that consistent visually.
Cause for a launch window console game this is a good taste of things to come. Rather I will find it sad if devs can't top this game in about 2-4 years.
dragonbane
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Yeah for 120k polys the amount of texture memory dedicated to those characters seems pretty low. Wouldn't surprise me if Beyond used more actually lol Shaders play a part as well obviously as does the modelling of some specifics such as teeth. Infamous looks too flawless in that regard. But Quantic Dream spends a lot of time getting the characters right, for an open world game infamous sure looks pretty damn good. I'm sure SP learned some lessons from this, probably the first time they actually tried to put some real effort into their characters.
GameAddict411
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Thanks for that, here's a comparison from the few gameplay pics in that thread, and some decent one's I've found elsewhere. Nothing has been down-scaled, all are native 1080p screens, and all are player controlled.
If anyone wants me to post the full res version of any screen, just ask!
forgot the polygons, the IQ in ryse is just laughable in comparison.
Good thing the first Infamous alone has better gameplay than every Bethesda game combined.
GameAddict411
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source? i remember david cage saying that each character was pushing just below 1 mil polygons.
Yeah, but it's like people have forgotten the amazing last gen games that already did this and, to be perfectly honest, did it better.
I have no doubts that PS4 games are going to look incredible, but right now, I wouldn't call out the faces in I:SS as being revolutionary. Heck, even evolutionary might be giving them too much credit as it's a step back from the quality seen in Beyond in a lot of ways.
The eyes, man. Beyond did the eyes so well. Infamous never pulls the camera in close enough to try and ape that. The texture resolution just wouldn't be high enough on most of the characters for it to come out looking well.
I'm not saying I:SS looks bad - it does look really good. I've just been far more impressed with other titles (i.e. Ryse) and feel as though last gen games have already beaten it to the punch.
qa_engineer
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No the polygon mesh is still 120k, but all the other items I mentioned are essentially the paint on the blank canvas that is the polygon mesh.
DarkLordMalik
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That was more of a PR mishap, i am sure.
There are workloads that require a CPU and won't do as well on a GPU. The CPU will always be a bottleneck.
Miles Quaritch
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Yeah, I think I'll capture lots of footage during my next play-through. Silly of me for not thinking to do it during my first play-through.
It's not so bad...
http://a.pomf.se/hgutpz.webm
dragonbane
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Yeah there was a discrepancy in reporting there. Cage mentioned 1 million (in text only where a typo can easily happen), but in a presentation at E3 a gaffer and some journos heard 100k for the Sorcerer/Demon and 80k for the Goblin. I don't doubt QD's technical talent at all, but 1 million sounds like a little bit too much. 100k would represent an increase by the factor 3, which sounds reasonable given the power difference. 1 million would be an improvement by the factor 33, which sounds a bit excessive. Looking at the chart and the difference between the tech demo Kara and the game Beyond (50% increase in polys) I would expect their next game to push 150k polys for the main characters, which sounds like a number that makes sense to me and is still fairly impressive.
TheAdmiester
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This, definitely. Halo 4 has some fantastic face detail, especially for being on such an old console.
I really hope the detailing in character models improves down the line of this gen, because Ryse has the only decent looking ones so far.
PuppetMaster
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That's an example or Ryse looking good? So much bad floating in the air, bad clipping, and bad transitions for animations.
Miles Quaritch
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You should see some of the clipping in I:SS. Good grief...
Anyway, more Ryse. (I'm bored, will try to do some facials later)
http://a.pomf.se/bxwtnl.webm
http://a.pomf.se/pzmghi.webm
Anyway, more Ryse. (I'm bored, will try to do some facials later)
http://a.pomf.se/bxwtnl.webm
http://a.pomf.se/pzmghi.webm
