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#Miiquality | Bringing same-sex relationships to Nintendo's Tomodachi series

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SquiddyCracker

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If Nintendo can't even implement a progressive account system & online infrastructure, I highly doubt they'll patch their games to implement more progressive relationship systems.
 
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Tyeforce

Member
MrSaturn99 said:
That's really shitty news, Tyeforce. I hope your campaign works even if Youtube isn't in the picture.
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Thanks. The video's still around even without YouTube, but having it on YouTube would definitely be better (not to mention it just looks silly when I'm pointing to a link to the Nintendo Direct video but it's not actually a link because other sites don't support annotations, lol).

I'm still not sure what to do regarding YouTube. I could either mail or call YouTube and try to get things sorted out and get my video back up on my original account, or I could make a new account for Miiquality and upload the video again there and just forget about the original video. Both options have their drawbacks, though...

If I try contacting YouTube directly to fix things, it could take weeks or months, if anything happens at all. And if I upload the video on a new account, I'm not sure if YouTube would be able to detect that the video has been re-uploaded, and if it gets taken down again I'm afraid it will be able to be tied back to my account. I already had one strike against my account from a few years back for something stupid, and the #Miiquality video was my second strike. If I get a third strike I'm pretty sure my account gets banned, and I don't want that.

Is there anyone here who is familiar with YouTube issues like this and could recommend a direction for me to go in?

Oh, also, it appears that YouTube has since "clarified" why the video was taken down after the appeal was rejected. If you go to the video page, it says this:
YouTube said:
This video has been removed as a violation of YouTube's policy against spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content.
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...Which is complete bullshit, of course. =/
 
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Faustek

Member
That's a bummer. Well that's Nintendo and its fear of not having control over every single of it's own "assets" for you :(

As you say its bull crap.
 
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Amir0x

Banned
Tyeforce said:
Oh, also, it appears that YouTube has since "clarified" why the video was taken down after the appeal was rejected. If you go to the video page, it says this:

...Which is complete bullshit, of course. =/
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What the hell? That's fucked up. Tyeforce, I think you should make a new video, try again. There's nothing commercially deceptive, spam or scam worthy about your video; it's a sham. Try to make a slightly different video, maybe make one with no music in the background, just try to take away any reason they have to make an excuse.

Maybe in this next video, just discuss the concept of same-sex marriages in videogames, using Tomadachi Life as an example, and how we as a progressive society need to stop excluding entire sections of our community because it's not some 2.5 kids white picket fence 1950s fantasy. Good people, who love each other and just want to have the same rights and dignity afforded to them as everyone else. Then at the end, say "if you agree with me, take to twitter with the hashtag #miiquality, and tweet to the following NOA people: X, Y and Z"

If they take it down then, nothing we can do, but they're fucked up.
 
Robin64

Robin64

Member
It is neither a scam nor spam nor commercially deceptive. It literally doesn't fall under any of those categories. What a ludicrous thing for them to tag it as.
 
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deltatheta

Member
maxcriden said:
Agreed. I wonder if this is just a generic tag they used.
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Could be someone was making false clicks on the ads on the video. That will always cause a strong reaction from Google because advertisers pay by clicks. Anyone who has an AdSense account will tell you that Google doesn't have much of a sense of humor with regards to click fraud.
 
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Tyeforce

Member
Amir0x said:
What the hell? That's fucked up. Tyeforce, I think you should make a new video, try again. There's nothing commercially deceptive, spam or scam worthy about your video; it's a sham. Try to make a slightly different video, maybe make one with no music in the background, just try to take away any reason they have to make an excuse.

Maybe in this next video, just discuss the concept of same-sex marriages in videogames, using Tomadachi Life as an example, and how we as a progressive society need to stop excluding entire sections of our community because it's not some 2.5 kids white picket fence 1950s fantasy. Good people, who love each other and just want to have the same rights and dignity afforded to them as everyone else. Then at the end, say "if you agree with me, take to twitter with the hashtag #miiquality, and tweet to the following NOA people: X, Y and Z"

If they take it down then, nothing we can do, but they're fucked up.
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Well, I decided to just make a new account and upload the video again there. Hopefully it will be okay this time... If it gets taken down again, well, I'll have to figure out what to do from there.

I already uploaded the video again privately, and everything seems to be okay. YouTube didn't reject it automatically or anything, so I'm hoping that once I make it public it'll be all good. I don't want to make it public and share it quite yet, though, because I'd hate to have a news site pick it up and then have the video get removed again right after that. I just figured it may be best to wait a little bit just to make sure it's not going to get flagged again automatically or something.
 
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maxcriden

Member
Tyeforce said:
Well, I decided to just make a new account and upload the video again there. Hopefully it will be okay this time... If it gets taken down again, well, I'll have to figure out what to do from there.

I already uploaded the video again privately, and everything seems to be okay. YouTube didn't reject it automatically or anything, so I'm hoping that once I make it public it'll be all good. I don't want to make it public and share it quite yet, though, because I'd hate to have a news site pick it up and then have the video get removed again right after that. I just figured it may be best to wait a little bit just to make sure it's not going to get flagged again automatically or something.
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If you get in touch with a news outlet, I'd suggest just giving them the Vimeo link as well. Have you contacted Nintendo Life or Jason Schreier at Kotaku?
 
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Tyeforce

Member
maxcriden said:
If you get in touch with a news outlet, I'd suggest just giving them the Vimeo link as well. Have you contacted Nintendo Life or Jason Schreier at Kotaku?
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Of course, good idea. Might as well send any links I've got, just in case.

I have not contacted them yet, just because I was kinda hoping that the YouTube situation might somehow get resolved first. It doesn't look like that's going to happen, though, which is why I've made a new channel and uploaded the video again, so now that that's out of the way I will definitely contact them soon about Miiquality.
 
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btkadams

Member
This is great. I just tweeted about it. I hope we can get them to add this! It's crazy that it doesn't when a game as old as The Sims allowed us to do this.
 
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Bulbagarden

Member
Yeah, that's just ridiculously messed up. On the plus side....this creates controversy which you can use to get a foot in the door at sites like Kotaku, etc, and that'll help the movement get much more exposure in the long run.
 
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Taker666

Member
btkadams said:
This is great. I just tweeted about it. I hope we can get them to add this! It's crazy that it doesn't when a game as old as The Sims allowed us to do this.
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Aren't the Sims games rated T? while Tomodachi Life is rated E? That could make a difference in regards to gay relationships being included (hard to say).

The best bet would be for Nintendo to release a seperate version on the eshop. They won't patch it into every copy .
 
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Labrys

Member
Taker666 said:
Aren't the Sims games rated T? while Tomodachi Life is rated E? That could make a difference in regards to gay relationships being included (hard to say).
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I think it gets a T because it shows the more intimate side of relationships ("Woohoo", etc.). Tomodachi wouldn't be doing this so I wouldn't think allowing same sex couples to do the same "family friendly" things the hetero couples do in the game would push it to a T.
 
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maxcriden

Member
Bulbagarden said:
Yeah, that's just ridiculously messed up. On the plus side....this creates controversy which you can use to get a foot in the door at sites like Kotaku, etc, and that'll help the movement get much more exposure in the long run.
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Seconded. Hopefully this will end up helping to increase exposure for #Miiquality.
 
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Tyeforce

Member
Bulbagarden said:
Yeah, that's just ridiculously messed up. On the plus side....this creates controversy which you can use to get a foot in the door at sites like Kotaku, etc, and that'll help the movement get much more exposure in the long run.
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maxcriden said:
Seconded. Hopefully this will end up helping to increase exposure for #Miiquality.
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I agree. I'll be taking the story to sites like that tomorrow. Been busy with other things today...
 
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Garrett Hawke

Member
Taker666 said:
Aren't the Sims games rated T? while Tomodachi Life is rated E? That could make a difference in regards to gay relationships being included (hard to say).

The best bet would be for Nintendo to release a seperate version on the eshop. They won't patch it into every copy .
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The Sims are rated T for completely different reasons. Non-straight relationships shouldn't be considered 'not suitable for kids'. Kids are much less likely to judge than other people, and if they're taught from a young age via media that they don't have to be ashamed or afraid of their sexualities, and that there's nothing wrong with them, then it will lead to a more tolerant, accepting society.
 
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Garrett Hawke

Member
Tyeforce said:
I agree. I'll be taking the story to sites like that tomorrow. Been busy with other things today...
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Good luck! :) Although prepare for a barrage of "why does this matter? I play games because I like them, not because they're socially inclusive" yada yada yada
I absolutely loathe the aggressive apathy towards it on most gaming sites, wherein the top comment is usually something like "people need to stop making a big deal about LGBT issues in games. We all accept LGBT characters/etc, we don't need articles like this bringing it up" when clearly there is a need to bring it up.
 
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KillerIsJed

Member
While as a bi man, i'm all for this, I feel like this is too little too late. The game has been out in japan for some time, and no one started this movement then, but suddenly when it is coming out in English speaking countries we care a bit more?

Also with the game releasing in just over a month, I don't think they will add in anything. I wouldn't be surprised if the game wasn't already hitting reviewers hands, as Nintendo seems to send things out really early.

It would be great if it hit as an update or DLC, but that would be a huge step and viewed as political by people who want to turn everyone political. I think it could happen though, with enough movement / voices, I mean they did talk them into allowing that charity Smash Bros. tournament.
 
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Faustek

Member
maxcriden said:
I don't understand. Is there evidence Nintendo is responsible for the removal of the video?
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Sorry for the late reply but probably no.

This is YouTubes automagicall horse crap Tye is dealing with. To put it simple, companies upload material to YouTubes content Yahoohe and it detects it for them.
Usually Tye should be able to fight it but apparently no such warning has come? And then its on Nintendo's plate to respond, which they usually do in the eleventh hour(30 days) during which The video is down.
Anyway, trying to be one of those that try to help.
BTW where the hell is Polygons moral garde when you need them?

Anyway, a really positive thing, Tye, its refreshing to see such a young sensible man as you, keep it up.
 
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maxcriden

Member
Faustek said:
Sorry for the late reply but probably no.

This is YouTubes automagicall horse crap Tye is dealing with. To put it simple, companies upload material to YouTubes content Yahoohe and it detects it for them.
Usually Tye should be able to fight it but apparently no such warning has come? And then its on Nintendo's plate to respond, which they usually do in the eleventh hour(30 days) during which The video is down.
Anyway, trying to be one of those that try to help.
BTW where the hell is Polygons moral garde when you need them?

Anyway, a really positive thing, Tye, its refreshing to see such a young sensible man as you, keep it up.
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Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate the info!
 
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deltatheta

Member
Faustek said:
Sorry for the late reply but probably no.

This is YouTubes automagicall horse crap Tye is dealing with. To put it simple, companies upload material to YouTubes content Yahoohe and it detects it for them.
Usually Tye should be able to fight it but apparently no such warning has come? And then its on Nintendo's plate to respond, which they usually do in the eleventh hour(30 days) during which The video is down.
Anyway, trying to be one of those that try to help.
BTW where the hell is Polygons moral garde when you need them?

Anyway, a really positive thing, Tye, its refreshing to see such a young sensible man as you, keep it up.
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No, I don't think that's what it is, because YouTube is always explicit when a video is taken down because of a copyright violation.

I honestly have no idea why YouTube keeps taking this down. Something is very weird about this situation.
 
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Faustek

Member
deltatheta said:
No, I don't think that's what it is, because YouTube is always explicit when a video is taken down because of a copyright violation.

I honestly have no idea why YouTube keeps taking this down. Something is very weird about this situation.
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Only other thing is that a certain amount of people would be reporting it as spam/scam/bs. I can understand why YouTube has implemented its automagical system but it sucks :/
 
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maxcriden

Member
Faustek said:
Only other thing is that a certain amount of people would be reporting it as spam/scam/bs. I can understand why YouTube has implemented its automagical system but it sucks :/
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It's unfortunately not hard to believe there are people out there who would be glad to get together and report the video.
 
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Tyeforce

Member
Sent a message to Jason from Kotaku earlier today as it was suggested here. Let's see if that goes anywhere!

Also, YouTube rejected the appeal of the second video, to no surprise. Same exact BS reason, as well: "spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content.” =/
 
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Hours Left

Member
Tyeforce said:
Sent a message to Jason from Kotaku earlier today as it was suggested here. Let's see if that goes anywhere!

Also, YouTube rejected the appeal of the second video, to no surprise. Same exact BS reason, as well: "spam, scams, and commercially deceptive content.” =/
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Is there someone you can contact directly?
 
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Tomohawk

Member
Ya contacting as much people in the press would be good. Also I'd suggest when and if you get youtube link working try posting reddit and other social media with a thread title that doesn't seem like its attacking nintendo so fans dont get in a twist.
 
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Tyeforce

Member
Tomohawk said:
Ya contacting as much people in the press would be good. Also I'd suggest when and if you get youtube link working try posting reddit and other social media with a thread title that doesn't seem like its attacking nintendo so fans dont get in a twist.
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Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever get the YouTube link working again. =/ Vimeo will have to do, I fear.

And are you saying that this thread title sounds like that? 'Cause that's definitely not my intent if so.
 
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maxcriden

Member
Tyeforce said:
Unfortunately I don't think I'll ever get the YouTube link working again. =/ Vimeo will have to do, I fear.

And are you saying that this thread title sounds like that? 'Cause that's definitely not my intent if so.
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FWIW I don't know if that's what Tomohawk meant, but I don't think the title comes off that way at all.
 
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Tyeforce

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Nothing1016 said:
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/05/05/nintendo-on-gay-marriage-and-tomodachi-life

Just made a small thread about it but thought I should post it here as well.
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That doesn't really address the main issue here at all, though. =/ Yes, we know about the bug in the Japanese version. We know same-sex relationships were never intentionally supported and then removed from the game. But that doesn't change the fact that same-sex relationships are something that should be supported in a game like this that has such a huge focus on relationships so that everyone can enjoy the game, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.


Also, Kotaku and some other sites have reported about Miiquality! I'll post links in a minute here.

EDIT: Here:
Kotaku — Fighting For Gay Marriage In A Nintendo Game
Polygon — Tomodachi Life fan campaigns for Nintendo to add same-sex relationships
Geekosystem — New Campaign Asks Nintendo For Representation of Same-Sex Relationships
 
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Faustek

Member
That's good. At least a few sites have picked it up. Rather disheartening to see Nintendo's non answer on the Polygon article though :/
 
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Kazerei

Banned
I just saw this on my RSS feed. CBC put it up as one of their top news stories. Congrats!

Nintendo's Tomodachi Life won't allow for gay avatars

Edit: wow this really hit the mainstream news

http://www.ctvnews.ca/sci-tech/nint...-add-same-sex-relationships-to-game-1.1810239
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2014/05...lay-as-gay-characters-in-life-simulator-game/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20140507/us--games-nintendo-gay-relationships/
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/nintendo-wont-allow-gamers-to-play-as-gay-in-upcoming-85028847779.html
 
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Nokterian

Member
And nintendo's response...it just terrible.

Nintendo never intended to make any form of social commentary with the launch of Tomodachi Life. The relationship options in the game represent a playful alternate world rather than a real-life simulation. We hope that all of our fans will see that 'Tomodachi Life' was intended to be a whimsical and quirky game, and that we were absolutely not trying to provide social commentary.

The ability for same-sex relationships to occur in the game was not part of the original game that launched in Japan, and that game is made up of the same code that was used to localize it for other regions outside of Japan.
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We have heard and thoughtfully considered all the responses. We will continue to listen and think about the feedback. We're using this as an opportunity to better understand our consumers and their expectations of us at all levels of the organization. We have been looking to broaden our approach to development whenever possible as we put all our energy into continuing to develop fun games that will surprise and delight players.
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I mean really nintendo? Jezus christ.

http://kotaku.com/nintendo-responds..._source=Kotaku_Facebook&utm_medium=Socialflow
 
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