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This has proved to be bullshit TBH.
Source?
This has proved to be bullshit TBH.
Yeah? Proved source, please?This has proved to be bullshit TBH.
Why does that matter, though?
Its fixed hardware, developers will only make better looking and performing games over time as they optimize their engines for the same hardware. They'll optimize over and over again, getting better gains. Thats the console ecosystem in a nutshell. Do you feel like you're being cheated out of your money? You aren't getting what you paid for? Why does it have to be leveled against PC now when PC has always been ahead of consoles?
The recent increase of PC gamer vs. Console gamer attitudes lately is confusing, it seems almost desperate. It doesn't make sense. You guys already won! Your PC runs C3 at 1440p, no problem! Why is the pettiness of console gaming such an attractive subject when you got all that?
Yeah that's not how it works. You need to substantiate that with some articles too.This has proved to be bullshit TBH.
This has proved to be bullshit TBH.
Wow... just wow.
Yeah, don't understand it either.Whats so wow about that?
Wow... just wow.
the X1 vision was perfectly fine.. always online is not a big deal ,., if servers go down go out and get a fucking life..
Naww meng,, so wrong they were announcing something too far ahead of it's time and as gamers are getting older they're not going to want to adapt to anything new,.. anything new is scary and makes a lot of people super freakin paranoid.. the X1 vision was perfectly fine.. always online is not a big deal ,., if servers go down go out and get a fucking life.. it's not the end of times when one hour of maintenance occurs oh well.. pity on microsoft listening to people who don't even want their products..
No I am a free forward thinking individual not a ass backwards paranoid freak..
I know what you mean bro and it can start to be annoying as hell because it's always in "console only threads" ....i
I am also a PC enthusiast but the difference with me is that even though i have a high end PC, i also own a PS4 as well...I've been already impressed with a few PS4 games..Infamous and Killzone as a visual standpoint...to see that coming from PS4 within PS4 launch window simply amazes me and just tells me that a lot of people will be eating a big ass dish of crow when developers start to harness the PS4 hardware the way it was "designed" to be harnessed and tapped.
Maybe some PC only gamers do this because they get pissed that they know they will be missing out on some really great AAA PS4 exclusives that will rival graphics of high end PC games...maybe not match them but come very close. I mean killzone looked pretty damn good and its hard for me to think of any of my PC games that blow it out of the way...in fact there arent any PC games that do...Killzone and Infamous both rival some of the best graphics my PC can push outside of resolutions over 1080p and the standard of 60fps...there was not much difference other than that when comparing the best of both worlds in terms of visuals
Maybe some of the PC comments in "console only" threads is just a release of inner frustrated feelings towards seeing a 400 dollar console rival visuals of their 1000+ dollar gaming PC? I dont know..im not saying thats it but its really the only real logical reason that makes the most sense why people act this way...its called jealousy.
I just wish PC only gamers stay out of console threads because you never see the opposite happen in here...never!
I have a real passion for gaming...so i love both PC and console gaming...most gamers at Gaf are like this...its only a few that stick out like a sore thumb so its not a huge deal....
RAM prices have skyrocketed (/hyperbole) recently.
Various memory manufacturers got flood or bankrupt. RAM is pretty expensive nowadays.
This is true; I recently made the mistake of saying I felt PC was inferior to console gaming because of the exclusives consoles get. It was worded poorly, and I was immediately taken to task for it. That doesn't happen in the console threads. Even though I felt the line of thought was legit (I didn't qualify it with the OP's use of AAA titles; PC gamers do miss some console exclusive AAA games), the environment seemed so hostile that it wasn't necessary to continue, I would never get that point across.Or you could in fact read what gatti-man (who owns a PS4) had been responding to (instead of making a strawman), which was some one trying to deflect away from gatti-man's point (that he is a bit disappointed by how powerful the PS4 is vs PC compared to the 360 and PS3 vs PC when they came out).
It is also complete bullshit to claim that console gamers do not go into PC threads to spread crap (I responded to someone not 24 hours ago doing it in an other thread).
I'm not trying to be pedantic; if you own a PC and a new-gen console, why would you be (a bit) disappointed about your PS4 being less powerful? How does it impact the PC community?
Thats an... example. I remember a recent Souls game being locked or something. Durante fixed at least DSI, I know that much.Cause and effect, Console's are more popular so console sensibilities may infect the PC space (like locked 30 FPS for example), same story with mobile games being ported to steam.
A man once said to me that if he meets a douchbag in the morning, the afternoon and even in the evening... Maybe, just maybe, He is the douchbag.
Oh, and it's you that I'm referring at.
Seriously, are you aware of what you're saying right now?
Maybe MS' PR really worked.
jesus christ..
this guy is remarkably in-love with Microsoft that makes him blind of everything else.
I am not though, I am just trying to say it's not as shitty as people made it out to be.. I have love for gaming and when I see people bitching and moaning about dumb shit.. If you are not from North America or you are but have no job and no money and no internet.. yeah always online is horrible for anyone else we can deal with it... 3rd world contries would have problems being always online but where I sit right now I am always online anyway.. So Personally I don't see the big deal since most devices are shifting into that direction...
I will always stick up for any gaming console because it's my favorite place to game.. How many people bought IPADS instead of a system this year? Or just upgraded their phone? All the games on that stuff are shit but people gobble it up like crazy
I am not though, I am just trying to say it's not as shitty as people made it out to be.. I have love for gaming and when I see people bitching and moaning about dumb shit.. If you are not from North America or you are but have no job and no money and no internet.. yeah always online is horrible for anyone else we can deal with it... 3rd world contries would have problems being always online but where I sit right now I am always online anyway.. So Personally I don't see the big deal since most devices are shifting into that direction...
I will always stick up for any gaming console because it's my favorite place to game.. How many people bought IPADS instead of a system this year? Or just upgraded their phone? All the games on that stuff are shit but people gobble it up like crazy
Cause and effect, Console's are more popular so console sensibilities may infect the PC space (like locked 30 FPS for example), same story with mobile games being ported to steam.
Thats an... example. I remember a recent Souls game being locked or something. Durante fixed at least DSI, I know that much.
Still, isn't that more of a developer design decision (DSII Hypermode enemies at 60fps, for instance) than a technical limtation imposed by consoles?
And that has nothing to do with PC's being more powerful than consoles. Even in PC land, more graphics/spec isn't profitable, since 90% of that money is MMO and MOBA stuff, none of which have graphics that push the boundaries of technology, or impossible to achieve in a console.Small correction there.
PCs are now on top of the gaming industry in terms of revenue: http://www.vg247.com/2014/04/28/pc-games-market-revenue-has-overtaken-console-market-analyst/
I am not though, I am just trying to say it's not as shitty as people made it out to be.. I have love for gaming and when I see people bitching and moaning about dumb shit.. If you are not from North America or you are but have no job and no money and no internet.. yeah always online is horrible for anyone else we can deal with it... 3rd world contries would have problems being always online but where I sit right now I am always online anyway.. So Personally I don't see the big deal since most devices are shifting into that direction...
I will always stick up for any gaming console because it's my favorite place to game.. How many people bought IPADS instead of a system this year? Or just upgraded their phone? All the games on that stuff are shit but people gobble it up like crazy
Well, this thread certainly imploded.
Happy to see Sony doing better in terms of designing a profitable product. I wonder if that means we could see a $349 price by the end up of the year.
Is "forgottonone" supposed to be a subtle homage to the long-since forgotten original vision for the Xbox One?
Well it matters because I'm not getting that wow factor like the first time I played kameo or pgr3 or the first time I saw that snow effect in Resistance FOM. I mean that's why I'm personally dissappointed. Normally atleast one console comes out with a wow factor of power. If it doesn't wow me now it likely never will as the 360 and ps3 stopped wowing me 2-3 years after launch which is when I really stopped using them for the most part and went back to almost exclusively pc games.Why does that matter, though?
Its fixed hardware, developers will only make better looking and performing games over time as they optimize their engines for the same hardware. They'll optimize over and over again, getting better gains. Thats the console ecosystem in a nutshell. Do you feel like you're being cheated out of your money? You aren't getting what you paid for? Why does it have to be leveled against PC now when PC has always been ahead of consoles?
The recent increase of PC gamer vs. Console gamer attitudes lately is confusing, it seems almost desperate. It doesn't make sense. You guys already won! Your PC runs C3 at 1440p, no problem! Why is the pettiness of console gaming such an attractive subject when you got all that?
I know what you mean bro and it can start to be annoying as hell because it's always in "console only threads" ....i
I am also a PC enthusiast but the difference with me is that even though i have a high end PC, i also own a PS4 as well...I've been already impressed with a few PS4 games..Infamous and Killzone as a visual standpoint...to see that coming from PS4 within PS4 launch window simply amazes me and just tells me that a lot of people will be eating a big ass dish of crow when developers start to harness the PS4 hardware the way it was "designed" to be harnessed and tapped.
Maybe some PC only gamers do this because they get pissed that they know they will be missing out on some really great AAA PS4 exclusives that will rival graphics of high end PC games...maybe not match them but come very close. I mean killzone looked pretty damn good and its hard for me to think of any of my PC games that blow it out of the way...in fact there arent any PC games that do...Killzone and Infamous both rival some of the best graphics my PC can push outside of resolutions over 1080p and the standard of 60fps...there was not much difference other than that when comparing the best of both worlds in terms of visuals
Maybe some of the PC comments in "console only" threads is just a release of inner frustrated feelings towards seeing a 400 dollar console rival visuals of their 1000+ dollar gaming PC? I dont know..im not saying thats it but its really the only real logical reason that makes the most sense why people act this way...its called jealousy.
I just wish PC only gamers stay out of console threads because you never see the opposite happen in here...never!
I have a real passion for gaming...so i love both PC and console gaming...most gamers at Gaf are like this...its only a few that stick out like a sore thumb so its not a huge deal....
Thats an... example. I remember a recent Souls game being locked or something. Durante fixed at least DSI, I know that much.
Still, isn't that more of a developer design decision (DSII Hypermode enemies at 60fps, for instance) than a technical limtation imposed by consoles?
Source?
Yeah? Proved source, please?
Yeah that's not how it works. You need to substantiate that with some articles too.
Well it matters because I'm not getting that wow factor like the first time I played kameo or pgr3 or the first time I saw that snow effect in Resistance FOM. I mean that's why I'm personally dissappointed. Normally atleast one console comes out with a wow factor of power. If it doesn't wow me now it likely never will as the 360 and ps3 stopped wowing me 2-3 years after launch which is when I really stopped using them for the most part and went back to almost exclusively pc games.
This is probably why most 360 gamers haven't upgraded yet according to MS. Not enough wow. Not enough gotta have it.
Could that be because devs/pubs are making larger profit margins on consoles? Thats the only way it makes sense. I saw the article about PC overtaking console in revenue. Will that stay the same in a year or two? Which companies are gaining the most profit from PC? Those are probably the guys who prioritize PC first, as that is where their money comes from. Like Epic, Valve, a bunch I can't remember.It is a buisness decision. There are companies who won't spend the money to optimize for each platform option. PC is just one part of the larger pie. It isn't just performance limitations, but poor ports quite often as well. People get mad about that the longer a console generation goes, since the PC side of things doesn't stay in limbo for several years and they aren't able to do on console title port X what they can for PC release Y and call BS on it.
Can't really argue with that. I just never expected PC gamers to ever be 'wowed' by console games, graphically. At least, since the last couple generations. I figured PC gamers bought consoles solely for the exclusives and their gameplay. Idk if theres TLOU, UC2, or Lost Oddessy equivalents on PC and that why they bothered with consoles at all.Well it matters because I'm not getting that wow factor like the first time I played kameo or pgr3 or the first time I saw that snow effect in Resistance FOM. I mean that's why I'm personally dissappointed. Normally atleast one console comes out with a wow factor of power. If it doesn't wow me now it likely never will as the 360 and ps3 stopped wowing me 2-3 years after launch which is when I really stopped using them for the most part and went back to almost exclusively pc games.
This is probably why most 360 gamers haven't upgraded yet according to MS. Not enough wow. Not enough gotta have it.
If you are referring to me I own an x1 and ps4. I also owned a wiiu at one time. I've never been pc only. I was impressed by parts of killzone but infamous no not at all. I feel it could have entirely been done on last gen hardware besides resolution and framerate. The models and effects aren't really impressive. The game is more fun than killzone though that's for sure. Neither have come close to wowing me.
Agreed. Could having variable hardware be a factor in optimization on PC?Given an advantage PC has over console's is customization in everything, Dark Souls and Need for Speed would be unacceptable, there's no reason why that should be the case.
Is "forgottonone" supposed to be a subtle homage to the long-since forgotten original vision for the Xbox One?
Fair enough.Specifically no idea I don't study/work in this industry (I have friends who do in electronics) but these are general concepts you need to understand to be a project manager (obviously I'm barely breaking into any of it). Especially in the estimation of costs.
It's why potentially a good project manager could manage any project, those obviously there's significant benefits to having an understanding of the field.
Anyway sorry for the annoying tone long day but I really wanted you to understand (it's always good to learn things in these types of discussions).
Stop with the generalizations, holy shit man. "its fine for me, so you must be a broke idiot" crap is way to far.
And no, my kids Xbone is not online on purpose.
Explains the weaker hardware and less 1st party studios. MS corp might have that money, but the Xbox division is seeing a very small fraction of it.
Please tell me you're trolling. This is literally the dumbest logic to apply to anything ever. Hey, who gives a shit if what you paid for doesn't work for arbitrary reasons, go the fuck outside and get a life.
I don't even own one... I wasn't talking about stuff you buy for your kids.. this forum i thought was for gamers not gamers parents..
You somehow are able to ignore that people do not like needless points of failure in their devices. Your video game console not working without the internet is just stupid. Plain and simple. Is it an issue easily avoidable for many? Sure. Would it bother people on a daily basis? No, not those with internet. Is there a single benefit from it? No, not one. So it's all bad and nothing good. Regardless of how much you dismiss the severity of how bad it is, it is bad with no good. So it's dumb.
to go onto the internet.... you NEED internet ALWAYS on... did I just mess with you?
Playing a single player video game is not going on the internet.
to go onto the internet.... you NEED internet ALWAYS on... did I just mess with you?
still can't read my posts properly i see... TO GO ONTO THE INTERNET YOU NEED INTERNET ALWAYS ON.. so right now YOUR INTERNET IS ""ALWAYS ON"" ARE YOU FUCKING SCARED NOW?
Always online for a single player game is just as stupid as needing electricity to play chess.
There's just ZERO reason for it, no matter what you say.
still can't read my posts properly i see... TO GO ONTO THE INTERNET YOU NEED INTERNET ALWAYS ON.. so right now YOUR INTERNET IS ""ALWAYS ON"" ARE YOU FUCKING SCARED NOW?
We aren't talking about going on the internet. We are talking about playing video games on a video game console and the merits of linking the console to an online requirement.
still can't read my posts properly i see... TO GO ONTO THE INTERNET YOU NEED INTERNET ALWAYS ON.. so right now YOUR INTERNET IS ""ALWAYS ON"" ARE YOU FUCKING SCARED NOW?
what the fuck is going on in here. Isn't this a thread about the PS4 hardware being profitable now?