Settings>Display>Video Input Settings>Dynamic Range: Choose the HDMI input and set it to Limited.This. I have a Sony kdl42w653 and it doesn't have an option for limited or full range.
Settings>Display>Video Input Settings>Dynamic Range: Choose the HDMI input and set it to Limited.This. I have a Sony kdl42w653 and it doesn't have an option for limited or full range.
thanks for this, i was wondering why things were so washed out. i have ps4 set to full and my tv at hdmi normal, went ahead and changed the hdmi setting to low for wii u.
Seriously guys, just do the simple thing.
1) Set your TV to limited/normal.
2) Set everything to limited/normal.
3) Don't think about it again.
* only applies to TVs, not PC monitors.
Seriously guys, just do the simple thing.
1) Set your TV to limited/normal.
2) Set everything to limited/normal.
3) Don't think about it again.
* only applies to TVs, not PC monitors.
For most people, this.
However I've noticed huge gains on my plasmas because they actually have black range to resolve some extra detail. LCD's I'd mostly say stick with limited.
Auto setting are potentially headaches because things in the HDMI chain can mess with it. My PS4 insists in going to limited because it hits my AVR first even though it can pass through full to my tv just fine.
I had to solve the Wii U issue (and the Fire TV) issue by giving them each their own HDMI port on the tv and set them to limited, everything else is forced to full or in the apple TVs case YCbCr and goes through the reciever and looks great.
Things I did not know before I did this. In Bob's burgers, everyone's hair is a very dark shade of Grey while Tina's glasses and their outlines are actually black.
Settings>Display>Video Input Settings>Dynamic Range: Choose the HDMI input and set it to Limited.
Lifesaver! Thanks.
I've heard mixed things about full rgb on PS4. Should I stick that on full or limited?
Lifesaver! Thanks.
I've heard mixed things about full rgb on PS4. Should I stick that on full or limited?
My color space option on my Samsung TV allows me to choose "Auto" or "Native." Leave it on auto?
Seriously guys, just do the simple thing.
1) Set your TV to limited/normal.
2) Set everything to limited/normal.
3) Don't think about it again.
* only applies to TVs, not PC monitors.
No Auto Mode as far as I'm aware
This is the correct answer. The only reason people should be using rgb full anything is if there's a computer or computer monitor involved. If you're gaming on a tv use limited. Period. It blows my mind when I think of how many people are playing games with crushed blacks. "Look how the colors pop!"...
At least Nintendo is consistent. NVidia GPUs over HDMI force limited RGB on 1080p and 720p and full RGB on any other resolution. It's incredibly annoying and the only way to fix it is by performing a registry hack.
I was reading over the manual for your set, and it has Auto listed on it along with High and Low. It's for the LG 47LW450U.
Manual is on this page(Adobe)
Go to page 71
Black Level: This sets the black level offset. (only for HDMI input)
* Offset?As the criteria for video signal, it is the darkest screen the monitor can
show.
High: The screen will be bright.
Low: The screen will be dark.
Response time: You can set a response time for displayed pictures based on the speed of the screen. For a
normal environment, it is recommended that you use 'NORMAL'. For a fast-moving picture, it is
recommended that you use 'FAST'.
Setting to High may cause image sticking.
Off: The response time is turned off.
High: Sets the response time to High.
Middle: Sets the response time to Middle.
Low: Sets the response time to Low.
So I actually went and looked in the manual for my 23ET83V-W monitor and it says the following:
That doesn't sound like quite like Limited and Full RGB or does it? :/
Black level high = Full RGB
Low = Limited
Black level high = Full RGB
Low = Limited
Monitor Low + PS3 Limited RGB = washed out and overly dark image
Are you sure? On Samsung it's the other way round.
Are you sure? On Samsung it's the other way round.
That one is odd, it should look roughly similar to Full + Full.
I don't why it'd be "too dark" with the WiiU either when set on low. Does the WiiU have any funky gamma curve (like the 360/XB1) or something?
Certain.
Yeah I figured it should look similar to Full + Full but for some reason it doesn't. My PC image also looks correct when it's set to High on the monitor and I'm using a Radeon card over HDMI which defaults to Full RGB too.
If you haven't seen it yet please also look at the edits of my previous post. All I can think of is that the setting is meant to do something else and LG just mislabeled it. At first glance all it seems to do is taking some brightness out of the backlight but then again if I set the monitor to Low with my PC the image becomes darker and a bit washed out which seems to be what Full and Limited RGB does, all this is so confusing D:
'Cause it would explain the issue he's having, but OK.
Get into Photoshop and make a card with 16 boxes each coloured 0-16. Then you'll know for sure.
Nah it wouldn't, since 3/4 pairs behave normally. No idea why "low + low" looks off, and tbh I don't quite get the "washed out and overly dark". Seems contradictory.
As for Samsung, I seem to remember that for some models there were mislabelings of the RGB settings at some point.
It's just a mess overall, different manufacturers call it differently. "Black level" "dynamic range" "RGB" etc, with settings being "full vs limited" "standard vs non-standard" "normal vs low" etc. They should really standardize that shit.
I believe Radeon cards are a bit friendlier than NVIDIA when it comes to HTPCs. The image quality is supposed to a bit better on the red side too. Thank god Durante is into this stuff as he provided the fix.
Nah it wouldn't, since 3/4 pairs behave normally. No idea why "low + low" looks off, and tbh I don't quite get the "washed out and overly dark". Seems contradictory.
As for Samsung, I seem to remember that for some models there were mislabelings of the RGB settings at some point.
It's just a mess overall, different manufacturers call it differently. "Black level" "dynamic range" "RGB" etc, with settings being "full vs limited" "standard vs non-standard" "normal vs low" etc. They should really standardize that shit.
I don't get either why Low + Low looks off, it makes me think that setting on the monitor is not related to RGB Levels at all. And sorry I can't describe it any better though I try and see if it becomes apparent if I take pictures of it with my phone. To explain it better for now. No matter the input source "Black Level = Low" seems to lower the overall brightness of the monitor, additionally with the the PS3 I also had some washed out colors that I had with PS3 Limited + Monitor High.
I agree though that they should really standardize it, especially since it seems so easy to control on a software level :/
"Black levels" is definitely LG's setting for the RGB range. And it's absolutely normal that it would be washed out for your PS3 limited + TV High test. That's how it works
I figured I would make a topic out of this so more people would see it and get a better picture out of their Wii U.
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Well then I'm glad! But what happens then with my image so Limited + Low looks bad? o.o And look above for my Photoshop question please, we seem to miss each others posts D:
No idea why. I mean to be fair I don't know exactly what you mean, especially since "it's washed out and too dark" is quite confusing
As for photshop, let's make it easier:
You should be able to spot the 3 squares with RGB 5,5,5 - 10,10,10 and 15,15,15 values on your computer screen. You should also see them on your TV with Black level High.
If you set your TV to Low, it will look like this:
I'm talking about my PC Monitor that I also use with my consoles the whole time just so I don't add further confusion. My actual Samsung SmartTV can change RGB just fine I only like to game on my monitor more And hmm I will try if I can take comparison pictures
As for your image, I could see the 3 squares clearly, as soon as I set Black Level to Low the squares vanished like magic o.o Thanks for that so it's indeed the RGB setting! But that doesn't explain why the monitor gets darker and less saturated with a Limited source too while set to Low. I guess I could try to counter it with the backlight setting but it's still annoying since this monitor doesn't remember settings per input so I would need to mess with it each time I jump between PC and Wii U :/
Oh. Well, glad we cleared that one up. As for the funky low+low I don't know. Maybe your gamma setting is a bit off.
Oh. Well, glad we cleared that one up. As for the funky low+low I don't know. Maybe your gamma setting is a bit off.
edit: oh and for iMax, I just tried on my Samsung TV and "Normal" is Full, "Low" is Limited. From a quick google search there was indeed some fuck up at some point with Samsung sets having these two swapped.
Oh great. I have the fucked up set. Because of course.
Full + Full and Limited + Limited should have the exact same color ranges on your TV. If they don't somebody screwed up big time with the TV's firmware.Hmm so I reconnected my Wii U to the monitor and set the Black Level to Low to match it. The image of the Wii U definitely looks less washed out with it correctly set to Low so that part definitely works however I have the feeling that the colors and brightness on my monitor don't "pop" as much when I use Limited + Limited than with Full + Full. I could counter that a little by cranking the Contrast up to 100 though I couldn't test much since the Wii U gamepad ran out of power :/ Once it's recharged I will experiment more.