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Israel attacks another UN school (19 dead, 126 injured)

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Linkhero1

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They don't care because they want the UN out. It is something they can't fully control, and thus undesirable.

Yeah. Israel and UN haven't had good history together. I hope they UN doesn't budge an inch.

It's terror. They want no place to feel safe. Drones buzzing the area close enough the buzz can be heard loundly from the ground. Attacking people where there should be shelter (Mosques, hospitals, shelters etc) attacking people at leasure on the beach, and at markets. Isreal hits basic infrastructure such as power, factories, and leveling residential blocs. They want things to get so bad that either Hamas capitulates or is overthrown.

Oh I know. I was kinda making a point that why does it matter if they gain something out of hitting a UN shelter. I can't imagine the psychological effects it has on the young. I know I'd be paranoid for life.
 

zeroOman

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It doesn't gain Israel anything to hit UN shelters on purpose.

I am not suggesting Israel did not hit the shelters, it may be a result of a mis-fire on their part, or that soliders are returning fire using unguided munitions. The same could be said for Hamas.

They already attacked the backyard of shelters what forr... tell me? was there rocket site there? cuz the video show non-rocket launcher... and u know they would love to show u rocket launcher cuz it will give them the green light to bomb the dam building

Dahiya doctrine
The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.[1] The doctrine is named after a southern suburb in Beirut with large apartment buildings which were flattened by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 2006 Lebanon War.[2] Israel has been accused of implementing the strategy during the Gaza War.

so.... couldn't they have hit it to make ppl suffer more....
 

Damaniel

Banned
Another shelter bombing, another hollow 'excuse' for why Israel was targeting civilians yet again.

I trust the IDF's justification for their attacks about as much as I trust Hamas - zero. Show us the receipts, Israel! Show us the tunnels and the rocket launching sites and just how closely in the 'vicinity' of these UN shelters they are, or else I'm going to have to keep believing that this is less about self defense and more about what it really looks like -- ethnic cleansing.
 

Jonm1010

Banned
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the civilian shelters, hospitals, public markets, playgrounds etc that have been hit?

I really think it is needed for some perspective here. It seems far too many posters take every incident in isolation, then giving the benefit of the doubt to IDF because their staring position is one of support, rationalizing things as misfires or possible militant targets, ignoring that there are countless others that have happened prior that. Which chips away at the notion that IDF is only hitting Hamas targets or is acting mostly with restraint and care.
 

Quotient

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They already attacked in the backyard of shelters what forr... tell me? or was there rocket site there? cuz the video show non-rocket there...

Dahiya doctrine


so.... couldn't they have hit it to make ppl suffer more....

That sounds a lot like what the US did to Iraq in the gulf war.

I want to make it clear, i am not defending Israel, they attacked the UN compound, whether you believe it was intentional or negligent, at the end of the day they are responsible for the death of those civilians, and should answer for their actions.
 
It doesn't gain Israel anything to hit UN shelters on purpose.

I am not suggesting Israel did not hit the shelters, it may be a result of a mis-fire on their part, or that soliders are returning fire using unguided munitions. The same could be said for Hamas.

Then why do they do it repeatedly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shelling_of_Qana
To terrorize and inflict punishment on the population that harbours the militants they fight
 
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the civilian shelters, hospitals, public markets, playgrounds etc that have been hit?

I really think it is needed for some perspective here. It seems far too many posters take every incident in isolation, then giving the benefit of the doubt to IDF because their staring position is one of support, rationalizing things as misfires or possible militant targets, ignoring that there are countless others that have happened prior that. Which chips away at the notion that IDF is only hitting Hamas targets or is acting mostly with restraint and care.

Yeah, it's getting difficult to keep track of all these "isolated" incidents.
 

Dash27

Member
Speaking of the randomness of rocket attacks, I hadnt seen this:

http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/...ts-strike-israeli-bedouins.html?smid=fb-share

Hamas Rockets Strike Israeli Bedouins

It's a 3 minute video at the link. A Hamas rocket hit a Bedouin family shelter. A young girl of 11 was seriously wounded but under care. Note they say they were warned by sirens, but they did nothing because "it's normal". It happens all the time and they didnt think they would be hit. Israel doesnt provide bomb shelters for these people.
 

Quotient

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Then why do they do it repeatedly?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_shelling_of_Qana
To terrorize and inflict punishment on the population that harbours the militants they fight

Maybe you are right and Israel is targeting UN facilities, there is also a large number of UN shelters and schools in Gaza, with Hamas and the IDF firing at one another, it is not surprising that shelters have been hit.

Regardless, Israel is responsible for all civilians killed during this conflict (and all conflicts of the past).
 
Does anyone have a comprehensive list of the civilian shelters, hospitals, public markets, playgrounds etc that have been hit?

I really think it is needed for some perspective here. It seems far too many posters take every incident in isolation, then giving the benefit of the doubt to IDF because their staring position is one of support, rationalizing things as misfires or possible militant targets, ignoring that there are countless others that have happened prior that. Which chips away at the notion that IDF is only hitting Hamas targets or is acting mostly with restraint and care.

These are four attacks Human Rights Watch investigated.
http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/07/15/israelpalestine-unlawful-israeli-airstrikes-kill-civilians

"The attacks Human Rights Watch investigated include a missile attack that killed four boys on a Gaza City pier and wounded three others, multiple strikes over several days on a hospital for paralyzed and elderly patients, attacks on an apparent civilian residence and media worker’s car, and four previously documented strikes. In many, if not all, of these cases, Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military target."The attacks Human Rights Watch investigated include a missile attack that killed four boys on a Gaza City pier and wounded three others, multiple strikes over several days on a hospital for paralyzed and elderly patients, attacks on an apparent civilian residence and media worker’s car, and four previously documented strikes. In many, if not all, of these cases, Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military target.

Israeli air attacks in Gaza investigated by Human Rights Watch have been targeting apparent civilian structures and killing civilians in violation of the laws of war. Israel should end unlawful attacks that do not target military objectives and may be intended as collective punishment or broadly to destroy civilian property. Deliberate or reckless attacks violating the laws of war are war crimes, Human Rights Watch said.

1)On July 11, an Israeli attack on the Fun Time Beach café near the city of Khan Yunis killed nine civilians, including two 15-year-old children, and wounded three, including a 13-year-old boy. An Israeli military spokesman said the attack was “targeting a terrorist” but presented no evidence that any of those at the café, who had gathered to watch a World Cup match, were participating in military operations, or that the killing of one alleged “terrorist” in a crowded café would justify the expected civilian casualties.

2) In another July 11 attack, an Israeli missile struck a vehicle in the Bureij refugee camp, killing the two municipal workers inside. The men were driving home in a marked municipal vehicle after clearing rubble from a road damaged in an airstrike. Their relatives said that neither man was affiliated with an armed group, and that the driver had followed the same daily routine in the same vehicle every day since July 7. The explosion blew the roof off the vehicle and partly disemboweled a 9-year-old girl and wounded her sister, 8, who were sitting in front of their home nearby. Human Rights Watch found no evidence of a military objective in the vehicle or in the area at the time.

3)An Israeli airstrike on July 10 on the family home of Mohammed al-Hajj, a tailor, in the densely crowded Khan Yunis refugee camp killed seven civilian family members, including two children, and wounded more than twenty civilians. An eighth fatality, al-Hajj’s 20-year-old son, was a low-ranking member of the Qassam Brigades, the armed wing of Hamas, residents told Human Rights Watch. The Israeli military said the attack was being investigated. Even if the son was the intended target, the nature of the attack appears indiscriminate and would in any case be disproportionate.

“The presence of a single, low-level fighter would hardly justify the appalling obliteration of an entire family,” Whitson said. “Israel would never accept an argument that any Israeli home of an Israel Defense Force member would be a valid military target.”

4)A fourth Israeli airstrike, on July 9, killed Amal Abed Ghafour, who was 7-months pregnant, and her 1-year-old daughter, and wounded her husband and 3-year-old son. The family lived across the street from an apartment building that was struck with multiple missiles, according to witnesses. Residents of nearby homes said Israeli forces fired a small non-explosive “warning” missile at the apartment building minutes before the main missile strikes. However, the family did not know of the warning or have time to flee. Israeli officials have not said why they targeted the apartment building.
 

Chumly

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This is how Hamas' mortars look like:

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http://paliestine.com/hamas-misfire...ling-20-palestinian-civilians-blaming-israel/

Don't blame everything on Israel. Some of Hamas' rockets are highly unpredictable and many of them hit the Gaza strip.
I had laugh when your brilliant source "paLIEStine" couldn't even bother to count the number of fins in the pictures. Guess this proves that Israel did it.
 

Quotient

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/31/world/middleeast/israel-gaza.html?_r=0

A military spokeswoman said Palestinian militants had “opened fire at Israeli soldiers from the vicinity” of the school in the Jabaliya refugee camp Wednesday morning, and that Israeli troops had “responded by firing toward the origins of the fire.”

It may be common procedure to fire back in the direction of the incoming projectile, but you need to verify before firing back if you are near the area of a refuge camp/shelter.

Robert Turner, the Gaza-based director of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency, which is sheltering more than 200,000 Palestinians in 85 of its schools, said Wednesday there had been at least five and perhaps seven strikes on the facilities since Israel’s ground operation in Gaza began on July 17. He was still checking reports that a school in the Shati refugee camp and one in the Mamouniya neighborhood of Gaza City had been hit overnight.

“What we’ve seen in our shelters is indicative of what we’ve seen more generally,” Mr. Turner said. “When they started naval bombardment, artillery and tank fire, that’s just not as accurate as airstrikes. They can’t see what they’re shooting at, so we’ve seen more destruction, more damage, more death.”

Seems to at least somewhat agree with my initial assertion that these dumb munitions are the cause of much of the civilian deaths at shelters.
 

Razgreez

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I had laugh when your brilliant source "paLIEStine" couldn't even bother to count the number of fins in the pictures. Guess this proves that Israel did it.

Such a ridiculous and embarrassing backfire. However, all it does is diverge from the fact that people continue to die, schools continue to be hit and israel and its supporters continue to blatantly lie
 
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Israeli Army Drops Flurry of Evacuation Fliers Over Gaza City
The Israeli army dropped fliers over Gaza City urging residents to evacuate their homes on Wednesday.

Israeli tank shells killed at least 15 Palestinians and wounded 90 at a U.N. school sheltering Gaza refugees early on July 30, a health official and a spokesman for a U.N. aid agency said.
 

gofreak

GAF's Bob Woodward
Maybe Israel can start telling people exactly where to go when they warn them to leave...

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/worl...-school-as-israel-pounds-gaza-strip-1.1882461

The United Nations declared “enough is enough” in the wake of the attack on the school and asked - when civilians are warned to leave, where do they go?

With 1.8 million people living in a Mediterranean enclave he described as the size of Detroit and Philadelphia, a disheartened UN deputy secretary-general Jan Eliasson said there was nowhere for people to flee the conflict that has killed some 1,200 Palestinians.

“This is a moment where you really have to say ‘enough is enough’ and you have to search for the right words to convince those who have the power to stop this,” Mr Eliasson told reporters at the United Nations.

Israel says it regularly warns residents by phone calls, text messages, leaflets and dud missiles launched on their roofs to warn them in advance of attacks. But Mr Eliasson asked: “Where do they go? There’s very few places to go in Gaza.”
 
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine
The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.[1] The doctrine is named after a southern suburb in Beirut with large apartment buildings which were flattened by the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) during the 2006 Lebanon War.[2] Israel has been accused of implementing the strategy during the Gaza War.

I encourage everyone to read this article.
Collective Punishment in Gaza
http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/collective-punishment-gaza

Three days after the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu launched the current war in Gaza, he held a press conference in Tel Aviv during which he said, in Hebrew, according to the Times of Israel, “I think the Israeli people understand now what I always say: that there cannot be a situation, under any agreement, in which we relinquish security control of the territory west of the River Jordan.”

It’s worth listening carefully when Netanyahu speaks to the Israeli people. What is going on in Palestine today is not really about Hamas. It is not about rockets. It is not about “human shields” or terrorism or tunnels. It is about Israel’s permanent control over Palestinian land and Palestinian lives. That is what Netanyahu is really saying, and that is what he now admits he has “always” talked about. It is about an unswerving, decades-long Israeli policy of denying Palestine self-determination, freedom, and sovereignty.


What Israel is doing in Gaza now is collective punishment. It is punishment for Gaza’s refusal to be a docile ghetto. It is punishment for the gall of Palestinians in unifying, and of Hamas and other factions in responding to Israel’s siege and its provocations with resistance, armed or otherwise, after Israel repeatedly reacted to unarmed protest with crushing force. Despite years of ceasefires and truces, the siege of Gaza has never been lifted.

They call this mowing the grass.
http://youtu.be/iDP7ZSJlikA
GAZA: THE IDF EXPLAINS ITSELF:
http://youtu.be/4J1iZTMaYa4
 

commedieu

Banned
Bolivia is such a heavyweight on the global scale. And how ironic of Bolivia...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Bolivia

All kidding aside, nothing will happen to Israel. No matter what corrupt regimes like Bolivia think or hope happens (to Israel)

Most nations on earth are corrupt in one way or another. No need to go into that old debate. America is corrupt as fuck, as is UN/Nato at times. Israel is definitely corrupt.

Now that we are adults and understand the way the world works, Israel can't kill people like this without any repercussions. Its just going to make the future of retaliation/battle that much more ugly with this as a unchecked precedent.

Brazil has also chimed in about Israel. Again, more following, as corrupt as they are.. who gives a holy fuck as long as this shit tempers down.
 

docbon

Member
Can someone explain to me how the fuck they are suppose to evacuate gaza city? Where are these people supposed to go?

Honestly. People were told to evacuate to central Gaza initially, but now they're about to start bombing central Gaza. Do they expect them to start swimming?
 

commedieu

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dalin80

Banned
Can someone explain to me how the fuck they are suppose to evacuate gaza city? Where are these people supposed to go?

There is easy access to the sea for those in Gaza, Israel would greatly appreciate it if all the Palestinians would just go for a short swim and a long sink. Would save them a fortune in ammo and propaganda mouth pieces in the long run.
 

dalin80

Banned
yup and even if they just stay at the beach Israel will just shell them to death like those kids

I mean "Terrorists"

Dude, they were totally human shields, if twitter has taught me anything it's that every child is simply a Hamas human shield, even if they were pretending to play football at the time. Any true non-anti-semite could tell you Hamas were hiding under the pitch.
 

sammelito

Member
Disgusting.

Russia is bombarded with sanctions from EU & USA for supporting some rebels in Ukraine.
Israel is commiting genocide in Gaza and nobody lifts a finger.

So much for human rights.
 
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