squidhands
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Destiny |OT5| Caved in, bought Legendary
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Destiny |OT4| Get your ass to the Vault of Glass and help Timmins find better pants
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Does raid gear have extra defense and stats as well or just extra light?
Brilliant. Got my vote.
Brilliant. Got my vote.
ComputerMKII
Banned
Jesus, I fucking hate Bladedancers on PVP.
Welcome to the curse of an MMO type raid...Oh Judgement spaulders, why do you hate me so, even 9 years later.
Diablohead
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I vote cave story.
to me it's a joke between farming the cave and getting better rewards then actually playing the game, and that there is a game called cave story out there where you are underground a lot adventuring.
Welfare
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This is the only correct title.
I would like to watch Bladedancers fight Golden Gunners. It would be like porn
MaximusPayne
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HOLY...VOTED
Wait. Can you get drops from the raid multiple times a week?
Victory Red
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Razor is putting on an absolute clinic in Rumble
twitch.tv/razor_tv
twitch.tv/razor_tv
Love it.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
No, it's still once a week. And yeah, having it drop randomly...you either get shards or something....eh, it's not gonna be good for the game in the long run. People don't want to do a 4 hour challenge for a CHANCE of new gear.
ethomaz
Banned
There is this spot too.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ensisBsQ7SM
Dificult to reach but the guy said you receive no damage there... I tried and one enemy managed to kill me once with a headshot but I'm a Sunsinger (aka most close to God or Immortal you can reach in the game... you are you own support team).
Just to add to that post, even though I'm sure it's been mentioned. The hit missions give +25 rep for completion as opposed to the +10 from the other mission types.
Yeezus
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I agree. I cringed pretty hard when I heard that bit.
JohnOfMars
Banned
Give this man a prize.
Dhruv_hanom
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Cave story.
Um, wow. I need to study this more.
saveweyard
Banned
I came up with Cave Story and I don't think its that clever, but a title referring to the cave isn't necessarily implying it is an important part of the game, but rather pointing out how ridiculous it is that some people spend the majority of their time with the game there.
You mean 37 minutes?
Razor wanna be in my team for Clash?
Yeah but you can have both =p Marks and the ability to buy these standardized, but not always great legendaries from the shops to keep you progressing, and the rep rank rewards don't have to vanish when you improve the RNG. Giving strikes proper rewards and making legendary engrams either have a higher chance, or be guaranteed legendary wouldn't hurt that at all. People that are down on their luck would still have the fallbacks to make general progress, and once they get past that initial wall and get into that real endgame stage, it would be more bearable.
The strike playlist, and non Nightfall/Heroic strikes in general, can't provide nice things. They simply, straight up, cannot.(Edit: I've said it before, but to clarify I can't really count random mob engram drops, since that exists elsewhere at the same rate) Bosses that cannot drop you shinies. Reward screens that cannot give you anything but blues. Even if it was a very low chance, would it not be better if these bosses/reward screens had exclusive exotics, or at least exotics that could come from them as well? Something to keep people trying, and to reward people that do. Something to work toward, even if luck isn't on your side =)(Edit: This sounds wrong, I don't mean if luck fails you, you get something. But that even if you're not actually getting it, it's there and you know it so you can keep trying.)
It feels to me like you've felt like I'm attacking every part of the system and want everything overhauled and that's not really the case at all.
The core changes I would love to see are the following:
1) PvP rewards having a higher weight for higher ranks. Low ranks remain as is, high placements have a better chance. This just gives people something to work toward and what harm does it actually cause?
2) Give strikes something to keep people coming back. When we thought Hawkmoon and Monte Carlo would come from Dust Palace, that was cool. Why not make it so? Still leave them available via engrams and crucible, but give us a reason to go back to Dust Palace and give us a way to actually try getting them. Even if it's unlikely.
3) Improve legendary engrams. Make them either an even higher chance, or preferably guaranteed to be at least legendary. Making general progress through to the legendary tier is already easy. But improving upon your gear is well, an abysmal experience frankly. This improvement would mean you're getting something shiny frequently and that keeps hopes up and keeps things fun. Getting 10 blues from 10 legendary engrams is like, heartbreaking, and makes it all feel futile.
Any given legendary is capable of numerous overall states with all those modifiers, so there's actually plenty of possible variety. And the only downside I could see is that this would mean more ascended materials, but people would more likely be cycling out gear more often and needing to upgrade new pieces too. And if it became a real problem, increase the cost to upgrade to balance with the influx of mats.
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Marks would still be there, the existing methods of earning things would still be there, these would just improve the other things and make it so there are a lot more high notes and happy moments to keep people going, instead of draining and depressing experiences haha.
This is masterful.
If you aren't ready to do raid multiple times when hunting specific item them raiding isn't for you and just should drop idea of doing it right now. Raids and bosses always have certain loot tables from which you get items, getting "right" ones will require time and dedication.
Welcome to raiding, it's not ride where you cherrypick rewards.
It doesn't take anywhere near 4 hours your second time through. Took us 1 hour and 11 minutes (I looked) to do it our second time and that was with breaks where we went afk for a few minutes and we were messing around
in the cave and got spotted a few times...
BUT my biggest problem with Destiny is I am level 29 with fully upgraded legendaries. I can no longer go any higher without getting a lucky RNG drop from a raid. I can only do the raid once a week so there's really just nothing for me to do to improve at the moment since I've already done the raid for the week...
Lostconfused
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That's not what stimulation means. There are flashing lights, loud sounds, constant noise. Personally I played WoW with sound turned off, it didn't really need it. Destiny has a lot of audio queues that you have to rely on to perform well.
Maybe? I don't know. However WoW dungeon design leads to a lot of sitting around doing nothing. You wait between mob pulls, you wait for people to regen mana and HP. There is a lot more down time between encounters in WoW.
I guess maybe? Honestly I think this issue is more complex and extends far beyond the scope of this discussion.
WoW raids don't need 40 people raids anymore, and maybe I am wrong on this. However in comparison raids in WoW are a marathon compared to sprints in Destiny. One takes a lot of time and patience, the other takes a lot of effort in a shorter span of time. However if you fuck up in Destiny it becomes both.
That's on you and all of your assumptions.
It's possible. Gotten to him twice. Just need to cheese him from above. Not the cave but above him.
It won't be 4 hours with a competent group consistenting of members that all know the strategies (and eventually exploits if that's your cup of tea) for every encounter. Hasn't there already been a <1 hour speedrun?
yeah alright, I can dig that. I just hope there aren't newbies that ask about it, have the cave location described or linked to them, and get the impression that's how they should be playing.
EL CUCO
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RebornYeti
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WoW raids haven't required 40 people in over. like, 6 years.
The Librarian
Banned
Okay, squid. You win.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Uhhh.....
I raid on WoW. I know about spending time. The difference is when you get guaranteed loot, someone in your party WILL get better gear. Which will help you the next week. I'd rather have that and not get loot, rather than a chance of getting loot and it being something I might not need.
And yeah, other than doing the hard mode, there's nothing to do after the raid. Sure you can wait for the Iron Banner to make use of your gear...but even still, there's a fine line between being a challenge or being a grind. I'd say if you can get the same group or an experience group you can do it pretty fast.
figadapaura
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YES just had a great rumble match and finished the void damage bounty. Thank fuck that's over.
I appreciate your perspective here, thank you for taking the time. It's pretty interesting to see all the different perspectives approaching this game and trying to get the most out of it. Nearly every single point you have raised here reads to me like a point in favor of Destiny-style raiding over WoW-style for my personal preferences.
That's how I've always understood what raiding is. I've never really had the opportunity before because I'm a) not really hardcore, probably wouldn't get a "slot" with a raiding guild and b) the emphasis on memorization over skill in traditional MMO raiding is very off-putting to me.
My mistake, I apologize. How many?
Icyflamez96
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Man I liked that line :/. That bad thing about it is that by that time the game has already ingrained how much it isn't going to tell you into your skull.
I feel like that line could have been gold in the right scenario.
The Librarian
Banned
How many coins to buy an exotic weapon?
58 here and counting.
Was 17 for the Rocket Launcher last time. 13 for each armor piece.
It varies. Red Death was 23, but Gjallarhorn was 17.
Some team just beat the raid in 37 minutes, once you know the tricks and have a competent team it's pretty easy.
Diablohead
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depends, last week the rocket launcher was 17 coins.
Admiral Woofington
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Only have like 24 coins but I wasn't planning on buying a weapon from him anytime soon. Need the gear and already have a decent legendary scout rifle and legendary everything else.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
That's neat.
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