Lalalandia
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To be honest though some of the comments here aren't too far from that point on the 'Why can't we all just get along' scale.
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#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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To be honest though some of the comments here aren't too far from that point on the 'Why can't we all just get along' scale.
NoCryingUntilTheEnd
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Ahh, lo siento bro.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Goddammit, I read the Kotaku article comments.
It's one thing to say she is making this threat herself. That's ridiculous and irrational blame-throwing.
It is another entirely to voice that you are perfectly okay with a school getting shot up "because she deserves it"/"to teach her a lesson".
It's one thing to say she is making this threat herself. That's ridiculous and irrational blame-throwing.
It is another entirely to voice that you are perfectly okay with a school getting shot up "because she deserves it"/"to teach her a lesson".
Disgusting.
VibratingDonkey
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I don't know if this abhorrent asshole is necessarily tied to Gamergate (likely is), but regardless, this is absolutely the type of fucked up shit that a loud, overwhelming part of it helps foster. I hope he's "just" being a human piece of shit, and that he gets removed from society.
If I met him I wouldn't pat him on the back.
Re. The USU Terrorist Threat. I know they have to take it seriously but fuck. Come on. It's clearly some asshole five states away who has no intention of showing up. Don't let a random, anonymous e-mail dictate sane action.
And even if this guy IS serious (which he's not) then something awful is going to happen soon-or-later anyway. Better to trap him now in a controlled environment.
And even if this guy IS serious (which he's not) then something awful is going to happen soon-or-later anyway. Better to trap him now in a controlled environment.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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You're kind of all over the place here
You seem to be contradicting yourself a bit.
Two points.
1. It's almost certainly not a real threat. Too many reasons to list, but top of the pile is the timing and the fact that he even made the threat in the first place vs. just acting.
2. In the extremely, extremely unlikely event it is real (and not just a #gamergate troll) the guy has severe mental issues. He's a ticking time bomb. He is going to hurt someone at some point. I suggested it might be better to try to lure the guy out and catch him. I suppose that doesn't really work in practice.
I guess I just want her to give the talk. I don't want e-mail terrorism to actually work. It sets a terrible precedent.
Considering that most GamerGaters don't apparently know how to talk to women, this is pretty priceless.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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They could pick him up now and she could still give the talk.
I think at the point you make a threat like that, you're out.
It is just mindboggling that Anita provokes such an incredibly over-the-top response from people.
When I watch her stuff there a bunch of times I think, "Yeah I don't agree with that part" and move on, or maybe discuss it or whatever, like every other video or article I might read. And overall I think "It's cool that people are treating games seriously." But people react like she is the antichrist. It's embarrassing as a fellow gamer.
And even among feminist stuff her approach is so freaking tame. I posted this earlier in thread, Roger Ebert was more controversial on primetime tv in 1980 than most of her videos: http://siskelandebert.org/video/N5SUHUORRKB9/Women-In-Danger-SP1980
When I watch her stuff there a bunch of times I think, "Yeah I don't agree with that part" and move on, or maybe discuss it or whatever, like every other video or article I might read. And overall I think "It's cool that people are treating games seriously." But people react like she is the antichrist. It's embarrassing as a fellow gamer.
And even among feminist stuff her approach is so freaking tame. I posted this earlier in thread, Roger Ebert was more controversial on primetime tv in 1980 than most of her videos: http://siskelandebert.org/video/N5SUHUORRKB9/Women-In-Danger-SP1980
tonysidaway
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How is criticism of a review a problem? Opinions are infinitely debatable.
Unfortunately I bet he knows how to cover his tracks. I doubt they'll find him.
In fact, have any of #gamgergate death/rape/violence-threat perpetrators been caught?
Places like this don't tend to cancel talks because of threats, but they do investigate and take extra precautions. She's received bomb threats before and it came down to a sweeping of the venue with police dogs.
I understand the desire to not capitulate to scare tactics, but the reality is that the existence of a threat doesn't mean an absence of action.
It's the times when threats are not taken seriously that tragic, preventable shit happens.
I understand the desire to not capitulate to scare tactics, but the reality is that the existence of a threat doesn't mean an absence of action.
It's the times when threats are not taken seriously that tragic, preventable shit happens.
tonysidaway
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Um, this is an in-joke about Samus, right?
ShockingAlberto
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I think the funniest thing is that Anita Sarkeesian did the one thing actual gamers had been trying to do for years: talk about the medium in terms of artistic merits.
They just didn't like the parts she talked about.
tonysidaway
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Yup. What's the problem with that? How else would we know which reviewers are most popular? It's one more bit of information in deciding whether a reviewer is worth listening to, and which kinds of item in a review are going to be less popular.
Morrigan Stark
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It might have been if the bad ass female didn't show up in her underwear as a reward for the player...
tonysidaway
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Actually bringing them out to expose their actual positions like this is a pretty good strategy. It immediately makes them look like awful people.
Massive Duck. C.M.
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It wouldn't really take that much if the authorities were serious about it.
Riposte
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I'm just going to say there's a lot of contention concerning how people feel about various criticisms and the reaction to those criticisms. I feel my full posts do a good job explaining what I'm trying to do.
This just makes me wonder what are "artistic merits" (i.e., what is "art") and why the way we looked at games before then is considered "trying". Regardless of what one feels about Sarkeesian's analysis (I assume "they" don't agree with your idea of artistic merits or actually didn't feel that way at all, as individuals), I never agreed with the desperation of wanting to appear like a more "grown-up" medium.
LiegeWaffle
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I feel like I start understanding why I feel so much discussion in this thread seems unproductive and circular.
There are essentially three topics here:
We need a discussion ground where we can discuss both issues of ethics in games journalism and issues of what we can do against the harassment, without derailing into "what #gamergate is all about" question. When we say "now is not the time to discuss those issues", we essentially allow Twitter hate mob to dictate us their agenda.
The issue of journalist ethics needs to be decoupled from gamergate, because gamergate was never about it. The issue of harassment would benefit from such decoupling too. The problem existed before the entire kerfuffle, and I suspect that many people who did horrible things during GamerGate were ready to do them before (remember, GDC with bomb threats happened back in March).
Seriously, there is only so many times I can read someone post "GamerGate is about ethics #NotAllGamergate" with subsequent rebuttals, and we are almost at 12,000 posts in this thread.
There are essentially three topics here:
- Ethics in games journalism
- Harassment of game developers and journalists
- Meta-discussion about what GamerGate is and is not
We need a discussion ground where we can discuss both issues of ethics in games journalism and issues of what we can do against the harassment, without derailing into "what #gamergate is all about" question. When we say "now is not the time to discuss those issues", we essentially allow Twitter hate mob to dictate us their agenda.
The issue of journalist ethics needs to be decoupled from gamergate, because gamergate was never about it. The issue of harassment would benefit from such decoupling too. The problem existed before the entire kerfuffle, and I suspect that many people who did horrible things during GamerGate were ready to do them before (remember, GDC with bomb threats happened back in March).
Seriously, there is only so many times I can read someone post "GamerGate is about ethics #NotAllGamergate" with subsequent rebuttals, and we are almost at 12,000 posts in this thread.
For me, I remember back in the day when most of the writing you'd find about games came in the form of score breakdowns like: Sound: 3/5, Controls: 4/5, whatever. It wasn't about appearing 'grown up' I just wanted something more interesting.
So I'm glad to see more content of a different sort in general, things not at all in that form, stuff like Extra Credits and Tropes vs Women. And though this means some of that stuff I might hugely disagree with, by supporting it in general, I also get more of the stuff I really like.
Does that make sense?
They really don't. Because they rely on really nebulous ideas like the ones people keep pulling out.
Oh the irony.
TheBryanJZX90
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On the other hand, this thread is mainly frequented by people against gamer gate, while every thread related to gaming journalism or feminism in the forum has become a battleground.
This isn't going to peter out anytime soon with guys like Assange fanning the flames: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/522173583351906306?s=16
tonysidaway
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It might have been if the bad ass female didn't show up in her underwear as a reward for the player...
Dara O Briain - Somethin Fer Da Dads: http://youtu.be/r9_i6tiAzw0
Now imagine Anita Sarkeesian had stood up on stage at the London Palladium and said pretty much the same thing. I'm sure the audience would have been polite, but oh the YouTube comments!
Wow, that's gross.
Honestly you'll find tons of views in alignment with what many think about #GG all throughout this place.
Go into any thread about gender or race and it's a cesspool of garbage.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Agreed! The reactions to this gentle "hey it's uncomfortable that this lady's only here as a sex object" stuff makes me wonder how many of these people have even tried to do feminist research in their entire life, let alone try to have logical rebuttals in conversation with one.
Dr_LucienSanchez
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Why am I not surprised to see the 8chan guy on reddit talking about how beta the huffpo host was because of the apology towards the end of their segment?
I know I've said it before in this thread, but this whole thing just gets more and more ridiculous and discouraging.
I know I've said it before in this thread, but this whole thing just gets more and more ridiculous and discouraging.
tonysidaway
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No. We stop the harassment, then we see if there are other problems. No problems in gaming can possibly be close to the problem of misogyny, which has been at the level of death and rape threats for _years_. As such these other two issues are distractions from the main problem. Stamp out harassment.
Really doubt Assange even knows what it is. Wikileaks sees people revolting against press and just says good, no matter the situation. That's why everytime they talk about it it's almost always just to link them to other issues.
Welp.
FF Seraphim
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Totally thought about Samus as I was writing it, but for the people in #GG we would need to be more subtle...
BlastProcessing
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I think I find it most disheartening that throughout this whole GamerGate mess, there are outlets willing to come out as pro-GamerGate, eager to post then next conspiracy theory. For all the shit GamerGate gives sites for "poor journalism," they have no problem with sites reposting slanderous YouTube videos without fact checking.
CambriaRising
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Yup. It's easy to see that a lot of people aligned with GG just stay out of this thread for fear of being banned.
How dumb.
I think this is more the reason they stay out than being too scared to debate as others suggested before.
Not Assange. Whoever runs the account is just highjacking like Milo, Sommers and Co.
BennyBlanco
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LiegeWaffle
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Did you even read my entire post before telling me I am wrong? (I do agree with you)
HP_Wuvcraft
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Awesome. Great.
I used my better judgement and did not reply to those assholes! Go me!
DICKS AHOY
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Not to mention how incredibly mild and a lot of her views are, or fairly simple (even if sometimes I object) her examples are. May as well get angry at TVTropes for pointing out the same things in every other piece of media.
Assange posts from it at least some of the time. It's tacit approval by him at the very least.
I'm not sure how astroturfing applies here. Do you mean something else? That is typically when monied interests try to fake the appearance of a grass roots movement. Unfortunately GG actually is a grass roots movement.
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