Arkam
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Nothing helps teach tolerance like practicing intolerance.
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#GAMERGATE: The Threadening [Read the OP] -- #StopGamerGate2014
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Nothing helps teach tolerance like practicing intolerance.
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Yeah, conference cancelled by a treat! I huge victory against censorship!
...oh wait.
What are you even talking about? It validates that videogames have a problem with women representation? Since you're a "hardcore critic", I guess you at least know what the videos are about... right?
...oh wait.
What are you even talking about? It validates that videogames have a problem with women representation? Since you're a "hardcore critic", I guess you at least know what the videos are about... right?
True. GG would probably end up getting almost majority support in the US if they brought this up as "anti-GG women want to take away your guns". You do not mess around out here w/ the 2nd amendment. Seeing as many of the pro 2nd amendment folks were also those for regulating violent video games; we would be stepping in DEEP to it.
Morrigan Stark
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Massive Duck. C.M.
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So what if anything do you have to say about those very important rights playing a part in keeping someone from expressing their 1st amendment rights
what in the actual fuck
There have been reddits for talk about anti GG stuff for quite a while. One is called Gamerghazi or something like that.
Oh the good ol tolerance paradox again. I'm sure your phil101 professor is going to love your papers.
FF Seraphim
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Different states different laws, also depends on what kind of institution you are in.
Arkam
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Varies greatly state to state. Most do not allow firearms in churches, schools, government buildings, places that serve alcohol and places of known danger. So I am a little surprised too that their campus allows it. But again it varies.
Go back a decade and ask them what they thought
There have been reddits for talk about anti GG stuff for quite a while. One is called Gamerghazi or something like that.
Edit: Nvm, not sure how I got reddit from what you said.
Consequences will never be the same.
I wouldn't imagine the person behind the threats used Al-Qa'ida levels of reducing being found out. I'd imagine they will be caught shortly by the FBI.
Yeah, I think I was just more surprised by it.
I imagine it goes along a line of reasoning such as this:
First Amendment guarantees no impingement on free speech.
Second Amendment guarantees a right to carry weapons.
When the guarantee of weapons creates a culture of fear such that those with "Controversial" but otherwise non-harmful opinions are afraid to speak out given the high probability someone who hates them will also be armed with deadly weapons.
It's obviously not cut and dry but I think it would definitely be an interesting discussion.
Personally, fuck the Second Amendment. Extremely strict Gun Legislation was one of the best things to happen to my country.
...no, it validates the fact that GG is not, nor has ever been, about ethics in gaming and is just a unified harassment campaign.
Video games represent exactly what they need to.
Liu Kang Baking A Pie
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Go on.
Objectively Bad Opinion
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It's not for all women. It stands for "Literally Who?" and it comes from the standard reaction 4chan posters had every time someone tried to shift the discussion on /v/ towards Zoe Quinn instead of emailing advertisers and generating propaganda.
I don't know if I would connect GG to death threats at a university in a 1 to 1 way.
Oh goddamnit, Utah.
Saying it's about ethical journalism is silly. Saying it's a unified harassment campaign is silly.
Maybe it's because I haven't drink coffee all day and english isn't my first language, but what the hell does that even mean?
I'm not American, so I'm not as well versed in its constitution. But I though the first amendment was protection of free speech from the state? A private citizen treating to kill you if you speak isn't a first amendment issue, it's just a criminal issue.
Jailer of Hope
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I live a couple miles from USU (I attended myself) and yeah, the venue doesn't have any metal detectors and it's a very open campus, not that it would matter because of the concealed weapons permits. The threat spooked me enough to make a few phone calls to students or parents with students I know that attend.
How the hell are both sides are stupid as each other.
On the one side, you've got an anonymous lunatic threatening to shoot up a bunch of innocent people; an act of terrorism.
On the other side you've got someone trying to give a talk.
And what issue did she make appear from nothing? She was threatened with being shot, and then informed she would be in a room full of people that were able to conceal weapons.
I can't understand how false equivalency people make these posts, look at them, and think to themselves, "yep, these two things are in equal disrepute".
Edit: Nevermind, you were banned.
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That does not answer my question at all. You said recent events surrounding gamergate validated "the dumb things she says". What does it validate and how?
I hope there weren't any constitutional law questions on the bar exam!
FF Seraphim
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Hey buddy its not Utah's* fault. Its the psychopath who is willing to harm innocents fault.
*I'm not from Utah
I really feel like the prevalence of "both sides" journalism since God knows how long has led to the kind of ridiculous false equivalencies we've seen recently. It's absolutely pernicious.
Morrigan Stark
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Of course it's the psycho's fault, but the state definitely has a responsibility in protecting citizens and making them feel safe to speak freely. In this case, it failed spectacularly.
TheBryanJZX90
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No, more looking at it from the point of the lawmakers and how much weight should be given to competing interests. Not that any prohibitions are triggered, more that creating laws to strengthen the rights of the Second Amendment in this case have the unintended effect of weakening the rights of the First Amendment.
Correct, but in the line of reasoning I'm imagining, the Second amendment allowing the possibility of armed detractors at public speaking events might be seen as implicit infringement on free speech rights.
Edit: For the record, I'm not american either, and only vaguely familiar with the legal duties the constitution demands. For example. Is the state required to create legislation that protects free speech, or merely forbidden from making legislation that limits it. In my examples, I suppose the former would be taken...
SaintGalgo
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I don't have anything constructive to comment but I need to vent. Ugh. I'm so... nauseated, I don't know. Just look at all of this and how it's so fucking stupid. I should get off the internet for a while
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(I know I won't)
There are two villains in this saga:
1] The psychopath sending threat to kill people if the talk in a public forum
2] Utah's gun laws that enable this
It means that the industry has built in mechanisms to accurately reflect the needs and wants of the consumer.
Twilight and 50 Shades are very much heavily criticized. So weird to see those brought up all the time. Their fan bases just don't riot in the streets.
And man, if our industry is so comparable to a thinly veiled (and badly written) abstinence allegory and it's fanfiction BDSM porn spinoff, I mean, that's pretty sad.
And man, if our industry is so comparable to a thinly veiled (and badly written) abstinence allegory and it's fanfiction BDSM porn spinoff, I mean, that's pretty sad.
Becomes less silly as the days go on.
As women are driven from their homes.
As universities close events due to threats of gun violence.
As gaming conventions receive bomb threats because they're letting women talk.
Less silly as the days go on.
Does it now?
Like what? Go on. Get specific.
Scares like this are messed up. USU will probably have this on their mind for the rest of the year.
If state law can't keep firearms not carried by security/law enforcement off a university?
That's some fucked up state law.
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I'd like to see your indepth research into the industry on this
FF Seraphim
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Ah... I think you do not understand Utah...
They love their guns, like really love their guns. They made sure to put it in their constitution about the right to have them.
But that is a totally different argument.
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