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[Zoibie]

It's really disappointing to hear that the devs didn't manage to iron out those technical issues before launch. What I played of it at EGX last month was pretty solid mechanically but the framerate and occasionally disorientating camera kept me from really getting into it.

 

[ironcreed]

I'm sure your motives are pure and different games click differently for different people. I don't think our tastes are similar though. You liked Lords of Shadows 2 more than Lords of Shadows 1 and I thought the second game was utter garbage though I loved the first.

 

[ced]

As for the screen tearing, without the day 1 patch it's ridiculously bad, like seriously don't play the PS4 version without that patch. With the patch it's still there and I notice it but not in every area so I find that it doesn't kill the game for me (but it will probably drive people who are sensitive to this stuff crazy.) There is another patch in the works that further addresses the tearing but I wouldn't bet on it being 100% gone.

JFC tearing is the one thing that really bothers me, glad it's better with patch but still incredibly disappointing.

 

[Spainkiller]

Well, the story approach in the game is supposed to be hand-fed. Some people will like it and some don't. It's hardly the main appeal of the game. Not sure what to say about the side-quest, maybe it was optional to find all of them or you missed the timeframe to do it? Sure they could've worded it better. Not sure if the 5gb patch is fixing that.

But warrior is the easiest way to play the game. People go into this thinking it's gonna be Souls-like difficulty. Not ever have they said that. They've said the game will be challenging, but definitely not as hard as Souls. And that is by design. But it's obvious you didn't like it very much, but 5/10 is like the worst game ever made with todays review scores, and I have such a hard time believing that from all the streamer-impressions. Have you tried the NG+ or going as Rogue? How is the difficulty then?

Like in Dark Souls, the classes don't matter, nor should they. And I wasn't expecting the game to be Dark Souls difficulty, but I DID expect a game that would fulfill its promise to deliver engaging combat. I killed EVERYTHING with the same combo (shield dash, R2, R2) minus the blue ghosts that I could annoyingly only take out with my underpowered Gauntlet (although using a magic potion sorted that out as well).

It's just not a very engaging game. There's obviously a lot of love in it, but it frustrates more than it entertains. Dark Souls is hard but compelling, this is easy yet frustrating. C'mon.

You liked Lords of Shadows 2 more than Lords of Shadows 1 and I thought the second game was utter garbage though I loved the first.

True. I think CV LoS 1 tried to do too many things, while LoS 2 focused more on combat and platforming, which it nailed more. But horses for courses.

 

[addyb]

Well I've heard enough positive vibes from those who have the full game to cement what I thought from gameplay streams. It looks just my kind of game. Visually looks nice. I like the art style. Plenty of weapons and armour loadouts. Lovely meaty sound effects when in combat. Sure the story is supposed to be bad but Dark Souls did NOT have any story and I love that game.

I just want to run around and chop people down with my weapons for x amount of hours. This will more than scratch that itch.

 

[Spainkiller]

Dark Souls did NOT have any story

 

[Caja 117]

My two question are:

How is the gameplay, is it Fun?

What is the exact lenght of a Playtrough? I said it before but if this is a RPG Dark Souls type of game, Im expecting it to give me a lot of hours trough one playtrough, and not just 15 or 16 hours.

I want to escape the Shooting for once as this generations is basically been shooters, and while DA is around the corner, another game like this will be great to have.

 

[Straid]

I don't get it, why people expect every rpg to have the storytelling like the Souls series?

 

[addyb]

Lmao ok maybe I might have been a little OTT but let's be honest here. It's very shallow and doesn't make a lot of sense. Not that I'm complaining. I love dark souls and really like the fact you just seem to be in this kind of personal hell. Well to me anyway lol.

 

[Mugaaz]

Lmao ok maybe I might have been a little OTT but let's be honest here. It's very shallow and doesn't make a lot of sense. Not that I'm complaining. I love dark souls and really like the fact you just seem to be in this kind of personal hell. Well to me anyway lol.

Heretic. Blasphemer. You are truly a lord of the fallen.

 

[cleveridea]

still buying the game but disappointed at tearing on PS4

I'd prefer 900p with no tearing if that is possible

 

[greenfish]

Not sure why you're mad because it's true.

I love demons souls/dark souls and ninja gaiden but NONE plays their games for the storyline. A good story doesn't mean shakespeare, a good story is simple to follow, weaven by a red thread. None which any soul game have currently.

If fallen has a shitty storyline then it's EXACTLY as any soul game

 

[tariniel]

I look forward to buying this in 6 months when it's $20 or so, it looks decent but not quite compelled enough to buy it at full price. Spoiled by PC sales...

 

[Spainkiller]

So much ignorance.

Most people might not play Dark Souls for its story, but it's definitely there. It's just presented in the most subtle of ways, namely through gameplay instead of contrived exposition. The story is surprisingly deep too, and touches on repetition, memetics, loyalty, fanaticism, etc.

It's a gazillion times more interesting than the stuff in Lords, and it's written much better, as well.

The fact that you put the Souls games in the same sentence as Ninja Gaiden (superb as that game might be) just goes to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[Jimmyfenix]

With share play if you are PS + member some gaffers who have Lords of the fallen may let you try the game out.

 

[greenfish]

So much ignorance.

Most people might not play Dark Souls for its story, but it's definitely there. It's just presented in the most subtle of ways, namely through gameplay instead of contrived exposition. The story is surprisingly deep too, and touches on repetition, memetics, loyalty, fanaticism, etc.

It's a gazillion times more interesting than the stuff in Lords, and it's written much better, as well.

Protip don't use words you don't fully grasp.

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).[1] The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts. Ignoramus is commonly used in the US, the UK, and Ireland as a term for someone who is willfully ignorant. Ignorance is distinguished from stupidity, although both can lead to "unwise" acts.

I'm a lot older than you are, played all ninja gaiden, played demons souls before it was out in the stores in Japan so don't come here and talk about ignorance, thanks.

Probably beaten the whole soul series 5-10 times per game, so yeah I understand the story and it's poorly written compared to a game that's suppose to feature a tighly made story. Then again i've also read a few books in my life time

 

[ANDS]

So much ignorance.

Most people might not play Dark Souls for its story, but it's definitely there. It's just presented in the most subtle of ways, namely through gameplay instead of contrived exposition. The story is surprisingly deep too, and touches on repetition, memetics, loyalty, fanaticism, etc.

It's a gazillion times more interesting than the stuff in Lords, and it's written much better, as well.

The fact that you put the Souls games in the same sentence as Ninja Gaiden (superb as that game might be) just goes to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Yea right. I mean there is definitely a good amount of lore in the Souls series, but that is different than a true narrative. In DS1 your goal is to light or not light a fire. In DS2 your goal is to (regardless of what you want) become the new monarch. THAT is it.

 

[deoee]

How much time till the unlock for PSN preorders?

 

[Spainkiller]

Protip don't use words you don't fully grasp.

I completely understand the definition of the word ignorance. It's your job to convey that you're NOT ignorant (in this case about your understanding of Dark Souls' storytelling) which you failed to do.

The fact that you've played through the Souls games a dozen times does not prove your ability to grasp its storytelling, and your age proves zilch as well, so stop hitting me with these lame logical fallacies.

Yea right. I mean there is definitely a good amount of lore in the Souls series, but that is different than a true narrative. In DS1 your goal is to light or not light a fire. In DS2 your goal is to (regardless of what you want) become the new monarch. THAT is it.

You have no idea what the word narrative means, so stop pretending that you do. I know the difference between story, plot, narrative and discourse, thank you very much.

You're ignorant about Dark Souls' narrative, so just shut up about this matter. Your half-assed opinion does not constitute an argument.

 

[Kysen]

Is youtube really a good source to go off of that? Shouldnt you wait for like gamersyde footage or something else?

Tearing is one of the easiest problems to see in any video.

The whole game being in that castle location is a deal breaker for me. The sense of exploration in dks1 with all those completely different locales will be difficult to match it seems.

 

[greenfish]

I completely understand the definition of the word ignorance. It's your job to convey that you're NOT ignorant, which you failed to do.

The fact that you've played through the Souls games a dozen times does not prove your ability to grasp its storytelling, and your age proves zilch as well, so stop hitting me with these lame logical fallacies.



You have no idea what the word narrative means, so stop pretending that you do. I know the difference between story, plot, narrative and discourse, thank you very much.

You're ignorant about Dark Souls' narrative, so just shut up about this matter. Your half-assed opinion does not constitute an argument.

Wow^^

How old are you?

 

[lucebuce12]

Tearing is one of the easiest problems to see in any video.

The whole game being in that castle location is a deal breaker for me. The sense of exploration in dks1 with all those completely different locales will be difficult to match it seems.

Wait, is the game set in only that one location? I thought there was variety in the locations?

 

[Spainkiller]

29.

Not that my ages proves anything, so the fact that you keep riffing on about age and have given no decent counter-argument whatsoever says enough, really. After all, theoretically, a 14-year-old could rip your old ass apart in a philosophical argument (which seems entirely probable now, by the way) and your age would mean nothing if he had the better arguments.

So, cheers for handing me this easy victory, grandpa!

Wait, is the game set in only that one location? I thought there was variety in the locations?

The game is set in two locations: Keystone, which is pretty much that castle and its neighboring areas, and the demon world (forgot its name).

 

[greenfish]

29.

Not that my ages proves anything, so the fact that you keep riffing on about age and have given no decent counter-argument whatsoever says enough, really. Cheers!

29 years old and you act like a child. I know that's a tiresome cliche but it's the truth

Thought you we're around 13-15, at least then you could blame youth, now.... now you have no excuses

 

[Karamsoul]

Honestly that sounds about right. The classes just lump your points into other areas of your abilities. Otherwise every class can use any weapons or armor they receive.



Story isn't amazing but it's there and the game sorta guides you. A bit more in depth then Dark Souls. I think most will be satisfied with what is there seeing as the Souls series is pretty much cryptic as shit when it comes to the story.



The issues with text appearing, dissapearing enemies, quest items, etc. Didn't happen to me in all my time with the Xbox One version. Only thing is the framerate and tearing moments. Also clipping of some stuff on the character, etc.

Keep us in the know, Slasher!

 

[Spainkiller]

29 years old and you act like a child. I know that's a tiresome cliche but it's the truth

It's not as much a cliché as it is an ad hominem fallacy. Combined with the fact that you still have no counter-argument about the subject (you know, Dark Souls' storytelling, the thing we were discussing? You know, before you got sidetracked by your liver spots) I'd say there is enough proof that it is you who is being the little kid here.

Anyway, enough derailing, I hope the people interested in this game appreciated the info I shared. If they have questions, feel free to ask.

 

[Laurentius]

g7zDa

 

[Corpsepyre]

still buying the game but disappointed at tearing on PS4

I'd prefer 900p with no tearing if that is possible

You don't get what you want. This is consoles we're talking about.

Spoiler

 

[addyb]

It's not as much a cliché as it is an ad hominem fallacy. Combined with the fact that you still have no counter-argument about the subject (you know, Dark Souls' storytelling, the thing we were discussing? You know, before you got sidetracked by your liver spots) I'd say there is enough proof that it is you who is being the little kid here.

Anyway, enough derailing, I hope the people interested in this game appreciated the info I shared. If they have questions, feel free to ask.

I have a question. I know you're not impressed with this game but I want to know what you thought about the core combat. Choice of weapons, armour etc. I love the solid sound the weapons have when bouncing off shields etc.

Any favourite weapon during your playthrough?

 

[Vinc]

Do we know when the review embargo lifts for this?

 

[ANDS]

You have no idea what the word narrative means, so stop pretending that you do. I know the difference between story, plot, narrative and discourse, thank you very much.

You're ignorant about Dark Souls' narrative, so just shut up about this matter. Your half-assed opinion does not constitute an argument.

Someone didn't get milk with their cornflakes this morning.

Dark Souls 1 narrative is: Seek the Lord Vessel. Seek Lord Souls. Light a match. Period. Over. Anything else adds to the lore of the world you are in.

Dark Souls 2 narrative is: Seek Great Souls. Retrieve the King's Ring. Ascend the true throne. Anything else adds to the lore of the world you are in.

You can kick and scream all you want but that doesn't make DS1 or 2 these great masterpieces that you and you alone seem capable of understanding.

LoTF seems to be taking the direct route with a specific main character with a pretty well laid out goal from the onset. Quality aside (I haven't played it so how the heck can I know) CI has at least set out to make available the world of Lords than FROMSOFT. Whether they have succeeded remains to be seen.

 

[Spainkiller]

Dark Souls' story doesn't really start making sense until you play through a second time and find Kaathe. That for me was when things started clicking and I realized that the storytelling in the game was actually something special.

Indeed.

The fact that it takes most people a second playthrough to start grasping it, doesn't disprove its narrative, though.

I have a question. I know you're not impressed with this game but I want to know what you thought about the core combat. Choice of weapons, armour etc. I love the solid sound the weapons have when bouncing off shields etc.

Any favourite weapon during your playthrough?

The core combat is OK. What others have said is correct: it's a heavier, meatier Dark Souls. It lacks the refine features of DS, like the parry system and some other moves, and the hitboxes feel a bit naff compared to the generally super tight ones in the Souls games, but the weapons are fun to use, yes. And the sound design is pretty good, to bad they vary in volume all the time and are a bit intrusive.

My most used weapon was the great axe My Axe. I had a smaller axe on the side for enemies who had a smaller window to get hit in (My Axe's animations have a long wind-up time). In the last 15% of the game, I switched My Axe for a really strong Greatsword I found, of which I have forgotten the name.

I also used the gauntlet's projectile attack to aggro some enemies in the distance, quickly take out little spiders or damage ghost enemies.

Someone didn't get milk with their cornflakes this morning.

You have summarized the Souls games' plots, not their narratives. Also, you're just speculating on Lords of the Fallen, while I've actively played it and finished it.

You're behaving like an idiot, simple as. Stop posting before you make yourself look like a bigger idiot.

 

[derwalde]

i was kind of hyped for this game, but the tearing is the nail in the coffin. im so fucking sensitive to tearing and i hate it so much. no way im gonna do this to myself

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Oh, another question: are there bows or crossbows in this game?

The tearing being present is very disappointing. They said it was just the capture feed, dammit... :\ My interesting has been varying a lot but now it's on the downcurve again, lol.

29 years old and you act like a child. I know that's a tiresome cliche but it's the truth

Says the one who actually threw the "I'm older therefore more right than you" argument? lol. You don't get to imply someone is immature when you're being so condescending for no good reason.

 

[Korten]

You have summarized the Souls games' plots, not their narratives. Also, you're just speculating on Lords of the Fallen, while I've actively played it and finished it.

You're an idiot, simple as. Stop posting before you make yourself look like a bigger idiot.

To be fair at this point, you're both acting like idiots.

 

[Corpekata]

Preload is up on Steam.

 

[cleveridea]

You don't get what you want. This is consoles we're talking about.

Spoiler

yeah I have a gaming pc thats less powerful than PS4 and it works great for other things (like work/development) so I cant really justify an upgrade. I thought there would at least be a good year or two before the power difference was so great that it justified the move.

 

[nbthedude]

Are there actually a significant number of people who like the second game more than the first?! That's news to me.

 

[cleveridea]

Oh, another question: are there bows or crossbows in this game?
.

ranged is represented by a gauntlet that fires magical energy in different modes including a grenade mode, a ranged mode and short range mode (think flamethrower)

AFAIK that replaces bows/crossbows etc

 

[ANDS]

You have summarized the Souls games' plots, not their narratives. Also, you're just speculating on Lords of the Fallen, while I've actively played it and finished it.

You're an idiot, simple as. Stop posting before you make yourself look like a bigger idiot.

You might want to do some literary review after some Internet Anger Management classes (and definitely get some milk for those corn flakes).

You might also want to READ responses before flying off the handle, it'll help you to not look foolish.

 

[Spainkiller]

Oh, another question: are there bows or crossbows in this game?

Unfortunately, no.

If you want projectiles, you'll have to use the gauntlet.

 

[Hesemonni]

This thread is getting interesting as the debate heats up

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

So much ignorance.

Most people might not play Dark Souls for its story, but it's definitely there. It's just presented in the most subtle of ways, namely through gameplay instead of contrived exposition. The story is surprisingly deep too, and touches on repetition, memetics, loyalty, fanaticism, etc.

It's a gazillion times more interesting than the stuff in Lords, and it's written much better, as well.

The fact that you put the Souls games in the same sentence as Ninja Gaiden (superb as that game might be) just goes to show that you have no idea what you're talking about.

This reminds me of TLOU threads. Just because one element is praised above the rest, doesn't mean the other elements don't exist. Dark Souls most certainly has a story and a lot of lore, and you're kind of oblivious if you couldn't grasp that. (Not you, Spainkiller)

Why must everything be in absolutes? Jesus.

 

[FlyinJ]

Preload is up on Steam.

Is the game released in Korea/Singapore? VPN!

 

[AU Tiger]

Welp... glad I held off on buying. Will wait to see what the day 1 patch does. May pick up on sale later if it doesn't improve any.

 

[greenfish]

Since you're incapable of having a mature discussion i'll just spell it out for you:

Ninja Gaiden/Black also have a story, but it's very basic, it's not suppose to be deep.The same goes for souls series, they are not "deep". This is not rocket science, then again when my daughter screems her face red her brain also shuts off for a few minutes. But she's 8 years old and you're 29........

Someone didn't get milk with their cornflakes this morning.

Dark Souls 1 narrative is: Seek the Lord Vessel. Seek Lord Souls. Light a match. Period. Over. Anything else adds to the lore of the world you are in.

Dark Souls 2 narrative is: Seek Great Souls. Retrieve the King's Ring. Ascend the true throne. Anything else adds to the lore of the world you are in.

You can kick and scream all you want but that doesn't make DS1 or 2 these great masterpieces that you and you alone seem capable of understanding.

LoTF seems to be taking the direct route with a specific main character with a pretty well laid out goal from the onset. Quality aside (I haven't played it so how the heck can I know) CI has at least set out to make available the world of Lords than FROMSOFT. Whether they have succeeded remains to be seen.

Absolutely spot on, couldn't have said it better my self.

 

[Spainkiller]

Ninja Gaiden/Black also have a story, but it's very basic, it's not suppose to be deep.The same goes for souls series

This is where I'd post LexLuthorWrong.gif or something in that vein, but you're not worth the effort, really.

Oblivious beyond belief.

 

[FlyinJ]

#storygate

 

[Jimmyfenix]

Need more impressions

 

[Deleted member 17706]

I'm a lot older than you are

Wow... I don't think I've seen this thrown around in an Internet argument since the late 90s or early 00s. What a throwback.