MastorofPuppetz
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Ps3 also launched 16 months later.... Anyone who thinks x1 does 360 numbers is delusional.
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GfK - One year after launch PS4 leads Xbone 4.4:1 in Germany
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Ps3 also launched 16 months later.... Anyone who thinks x1 does 360 numbers is delusional.
Yes but it was close to 1.5:1 then. Now it's 4.4:1 and growing
Yeah, thanks. 1.2 million PS4 vs 318k PS3s in its first year. The market growth is real.
Expected. Worldwide number one is currently looking like a lock for PS4. The only open question is how much can MS salvage in US and UK and whether they can do enough to come in a solid second.
Quite amazing really as this gen looked wide open for all parties for differencing reasons. And yet it's only taken approx 12 months God Wii U to be all about its an sales abd Sony to build up almost unassailable momentum worldwide.
Quite amazing really as this gen looked wide open for all parties for differencing reasons. And yet it's only taken approx 12 months God Wii U to be all about its an sales abd Sony to build up almost unassailable momentum worldwide.
gundamkyoukai
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That is far from the truth.
While ps3 did sell better than 360 in germany it was not this bad.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
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lmao, i never get tired of this meme
Well that includes launch numbers but PS4 is probably around 900k so far for 2014 with December remaining. Should be able to sell perhaps around 1.1m this year.
Just in the spirit of doing a EU sales thread, I will post the (current) European Amazon sales rankings for the year, as far as hardware is concerned. I indicate the current hourly for Italy & Spain as these portals are too recent to have a yearly ranking.
(keep also in mind that often Amazon de-lists SKUs that are either not available anymore or have been changed into another)
2014 (Jan - Nov) so far
UK:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#20 - PS4 single SKU
#91 - XB1 with FIFA 15
FR:
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#16: PS4 single SKU
#51: Wii U w/ Mario Kart 8
#94: PS4 Infamous SS bundle
#96: PS3 Ultra Slim single SKU
DE:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#15: PS4 single SKU
#43: PS4 bundle w/ KZ:SF, Infamous & Knack
#53: PS4 bundle w/ FIFA 15
IT:
The Italian version of Amazon does not appear to have yearly bestsellers yet, but the Hourly is showing: #24 - PS4 w/ Far Cry 4 & Minecraft, #30 PS3 Ultra slim, #96 - PS4 w/ FIFA 15
ES:
Same in Spain as for Italy, and the hourly: #33 - PS4 w/ FIFA 15, #55 - PS4 single SKU, #86 - Wii U w/ Mario Kart 8
Obviously not EU, but out of curiosity I also checked Amazon Canada. Wow, I thought the situation would be a lot more similar to the US (where the AC:U bundle made the XB1 somewhat competitive with the PS4 for the year), but no. Not even close.
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#11 - PS4 White Destiny bundle
#18 - PS4 single SKu (rank #17 looks to be a glitch)
#24 - PS4 TLOU bundle
#61 - XB1 ACU bundle
#75 - PS4 GTA V + TLOU bundle
#92 - Wii U mario Kart 8 bundle
No wonder that MS included the November UK numbers in their PR then ... Granted the US is a very big market, and the most important one for sure. But as time passes it's more and more looking like it's -it- for the Xbox One. Nothing else that'd be worthwile in numbers. Worldwide.
(keep also in mind that often Amazon de-lists SKUs that are either not available anymore or have been changed into another)
2014 (Jan - Nov) so far
UK:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#20 - PS4 single SKU
#91 - XB1 with FIFA 15
FR:
http://www.amazon.fr/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#16: PS4 single SKU
#51: Wii U w/ Mario Kart 8
#94: PS4 Infamous SS bundle
#96: PS3 Ultra Slim single SKU
DE:
http://www.amazon.de/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#15: PS4 single SKU
#43: PS4 bundle w/ KZ:SF, Infamous & Knack
#53: PS4 bundle w/ FIFA 15
IT:
The Italian version of Amazon does not appear to have yearly bestsellers yet, but the Hourly is showing: #24 - PS4 w/ Far Cry 4 & Minecraft, #30 PS3 Ultra slim, #96 - PS4 w/ FIFA 15
ES:
Same in Spain as for Italy, and the hourly: #33 - PS4 w/ FIFA 15, #55 - PS4 single SKU, #86 - Wii U w/ Mario Kart 8
Obviously not EU, but out of curiosity I also checked Amazon Canada. Wow, I thought the situation would be a lot more similar to the US (where the AC:U bundle made the XB1 somewhat competitive with the PS4 for the year), but no. Not even close.
http://www.amazon.ca/gp/bestsellers/2014/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar
#11 - PS4 White Destiny bundle
#18 - PS4 single SKu (rank #17 looks to be a glitch)
#24 - PS4 TLOU bundle
#61 - XB1 ACU bundle
#75 - PS4 GTA V + TLOU bundle
#92 - Wii U mario Kart 8 bundle
No wonder that MS included the November UK numbers in their PR then ... Granted the US is a very big market, and the most important one for sure. But as time passes it's more and more looking like it's -it- for the Xbox One. Nothing else that'd be worthwile in numbers. Worldwide.
FonkyByNature
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Microsoft are very aggressive in their pricing. I expect MS to take the lead in the US and UK if Sony stays the same. The price cuts and bundles are working for them.
And remember, US and UK are the most important markets and if those are won, we're pretty much at the same level as last gen, which is not that good news for Sony.
Germany, Spain, France and even Japan are more like "filler" markets, they're not that important for 3rd parties. US and UK is where it's at.
And remember, US and UK are the most important markets and if those are won, we're pretty much at the same level as last gen, which is not that good news for Sony.
Germany, Spain, France and even Japan are more like "filler" markets, they're not that important for 3rd parties. US and UK is where it's at.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
That's some Pac-Man pie chart shit
Of course they are. They'll continue to burn cash to keep up just as they always have. It's a good thing MS made bank on their OS monopoly for decades otherwise they'd have gone the way of Atari and 3D0 in this space, meanwhile Sony and Nintendo fight the good fight.
Of course they are. They'll continue to burn cash to keep up just as they always have. It's a good thing MS made bank on their OS monopoly for decades otherwise they'd have gone the way of Atari and 3D0 in this space, meanwhile Sony and Nintendo fight the good fight.
I know more people with an WiiU (5) than people with an X1 (2).
With the PS4 however it seems like everyone is either having one already or planning to buy one. Most of them do it for Fifa, GTA and Last of Us. A few are doing it for KH and FFXV, and some just because it's the most powerful Console of the 3.
Germany is basiclly Playstation-Country, and i think it's been like this since PS1 Days
With the PS4 however it seems like everyone is either having one already or planning to buy one. Most of them do it for Fifa, GTA and Last of Us. A few are doing it for KH and FFXV, and some just because it's the most powerful Console of the 3.
Germany is basiclly Playstation-Country, and i think it's been like this since PS1 Days
it always makes me feel a little dirty to write NPD even if it is not about the political party lol.
slavesnyder
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Thank you, that's really interesting. and shocking.
If you go into a huge electronics store in germany, shelf space is still quite equal with XboxOne and ps4, maybe slightly in favour of ps4.
I wonder how long this huge presentation of XboxOne will last (or if these shelfs are rented), because it looks as if they could make better use of it.
Yeah, no...Last gen 360 completely dominated the US and UK which made up for the difference in the rest of the world. Now, PS4 is obliterating PS3 sales everywhere (including US, UK and rest of world) and leading XB1 by a small margin in the US and UK while XB1 tanks in the rest of the world compares to 360. Even if XB1 manages to grab a small victory in US+UK it will be way too small to make up for the huge difference elsewhere.
You can get the system right now for that price if looking for deals, they will have to lower the price further next year.
I think worldwide, its already over. Its just a matter of how big the gap will be. MS will never be first worldwide with your line of thinking.
Stuff like this is the only reason why I am getting a PS4. The software lineup doesn't match up with my tastes, but I want to play MP games that have a healthy player base (majority of friends are getting a PS4 over a XB1 as well).
The 360 came pretty close to the PS3 in West Europe (with, at least half of my friends owning a 360).
The 360 came pretty close to the PS3 in West Europe (with, at least half of my friends owning a 360).
Um Sony as sold as much in Germany as MS has sold in the UK. Does that now make UK a filler market. Xb1 won't outsell the ps4 2:1 in the US so no it's not the same as the previous generation.
People are still expecting the X1 to come out of this Gen with the most sold Consoles? This is very wishful thinking.
The PS4 is destroying the competition in terms of sales, and the only suprise is that the Wii U is not that far brhind as people has thought it would have been. But thats more due the enormous gap between PS4 and X1
The PS4 is destroying the competition in terms of sales, and the only suprise is that the Wii U is not that far brhind as people has thought it would have been. But thats more due the enormous gap between PS4 and X1
Somehow these "filler" markets allowed the PS3 to make up for the massive sales difference with the 360 in the US+UK.
Uncle Rupee
Banned
Welcome to the fold, you'll probably enjoy your stay much more than you expect
Lmao at FR and Germany being "filler" markets (Spain and Italy are not either btw).
As per the UK, MS knows well that it was a very astute timing on the price reduction + FIFA 15 bundle that won November for them. SCEE reacted to it, but too late for November.
It looks like things will return to PS4 selling more for December so far:
Amazon monthly (Dec):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/bestsellers/2014-12/videogames/ref=zg_bs_tab_t_bsar#1
#73 - PS4 Single SKU
#75 - PS4 w/ FIFA 15
Current hourly (for trends):
#87 - PS4 single SKU (going up)
#89 - PS4 + FIFA 15 (going down)
#95 - Wii U + Mario Kart 8
(the first XB1 SKU, the ACU bundle, ranks 101 in the hourly trend, and it is avaialble "in stock" if you wonder)
The weird part is that SCEE reacted well to take December (pricing the single SKU PS4 at £309), but SCEA is apparently not willing to battle it out in the US.
Maybe they just already have a price drop planned, and sticking to the plan? #shrug
slavesnyder
Member
It would have been really, really sad and depressing if not... With the lead... I'm not so sure. they can be happy if they do not fall back again in the first 2 quarters of 2015. Depends if they stay on the budget price & bundles.
Depends. Winning one region and losing the other can result in different total results....
Last gen was:
US & UK won with an enormous lead
rest of the world lost with honorable result
At the moment, probably it looks like:
US & UK won by small margin with blood, sweat and tears
rest of the world lost shamefully
Canis lupus
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RowdyReverb
Member
Nobody is expecting that. Do you see any surprised people in this thread?
Superman00
Liverpool01
Not in here because most posters here frequently visit the Pal charts but in the NPD thread there were some who implied otherwise people.
Sony recently anounced that they sold 1 million PS4s in germany on 21.10.
200k more in such a short time is huge. Wii sold 339k "around" christmas - where it is not clear if it includes october.
I made a chart back in the days which I updated now.
Disclaimer: This is not accurate as there is not much sales data for germany, it is month based, so weeks get cut off and a lot of press releases were not clear about the "when". In some cases I couldn't even figure out if it means the month before. So in worst cases it might be 2 month off. I also had to guess wii launch sales (I used 100k), as the only official number was 675k in 2007.
NDS sold 1,8 mio in 2007. NDS beat the PS2 by far here. PS4 should be the fastest selling homeconsole of all time in germany.
But it paints an overall picture:
200k more in such a short time is huge. Wii sold 339k "around" christmas - where it is not clear if it includes october.
I made a chart back in the days which I updated now.
Disclaimer: This is not accurate as there is not much sales data for germany, it is month based, so weeks get cut off and a lot of press releases were not clear about the "when". In some cases I couldn't even figure out if it means the month before. So in worst cases it might be 2 month off. I also had to guess wii launch sales (I used 100k), as the only official number was 675k in 2007.
NDS sold 1,8 mio in 2007. NDS beat the PS2 by far here. PS4 should be the fastest selling homeconsole of all time in germany.
But it paints an overall picture:
slavesnyder
Member
Well, I am surprised.
I never expected this before the consoles were revealed. I thought MS would trample down PS4.
Then this strange generation started.
I'm not sure about how retail works in Germany, but if it works like in France (where I did some business studies), it'll be the case as long as MS is willing to sub them, or if eventually they fall so far behind that it'll make the store look bad to have them prominently shown
Gilly
Member
40% is rather optimistic considering PS4 didn't have the awful launch period like the PS3 and the Xbone lacking a head start in Sony land.
Xbone only has an 18% (270K/270K+1.2M) market share without even factoring in the Wii U
Could we see Microsoft pushing the Xbone more aggressively in Germany like they have in the US?
Uncle Rupee
Banned
LMAO
I don't understand how it makes business sense to throw money away for over ten years to never come out on top. Surely someone at Microsoft can see this is not logical.
The reveal was just a slap in the face for loyal european customers like myself also German politicians calling XB1 and kinect a NSA spying device on national news probably didn't help either.
slavesnyder
Member
Thank you, Superman00. This was meant as a best-case scenario. and i do not find it too unrealistic if Xbox takes US/UK. After all, it is the console made in america, made for america. there will be games and services that are hugely attractive to the us consumers. and when they keep the price low they might secure their home turf. but it won't be as much fun as last gen for them.
No, I'm sure MS knows Germany is lost. Aggressive pricing won't change anything, the brand doesn't hold any power and whatever they gained with the X360 was lost with the XBone launch.
For every 60€ game MS and Sony get 10€.
MS doesn't care if they throw their Xbone at 299€ on you as long as you buy games for it and pay for gold.
I hope this is an attempt at a sarcastic post as its woefully wrong on global market situation.
NA is still behind in US and UJ and even if they manage to lead there it's unlikely they'll get anywhere close to the lead they had last gen when rest of world still nullified those markets.
In short its almost certain at this point MS will be behind Sony globally for home consoles, the question is how much of a lead will PS4 have.
Sony recently anounced that they sold 1 million PS4s in germany on 21.10.
200k more in such a short time is huge. Wii sold 339k "around" christmas - where it is not clear if it includes october.
I made a chart back in the days which I updated now.
Disclaimer: This is not accurate as there is not much sales data for germany, it is month based, so weeks get cut off and a lot of press releases were not clear about the "when". In some cases I couldn't even figure out if it means the month before. So in worst cases it might be 2 month off. I also had to guess wii launch sales (I used 100k), as the only official number was 675k in 2007.
NDS sold 1,8 mio in 2007. NDS beat the PS2 by far here. PS4 should be the fastest selling homeconsole of all time in germany.
But it paints an overall picture:
It's this in real life:
Their newest advertising slogan for an Amazon marketing campaign here is "Xbox One is just more fun". I'd say they've given up.
Except it's right.
gundamkyoukai
Member
MS does care about sales in other countries the problem is those countries don't care about them.
So they have to double down in the 2 markets where they at lease stand a chance.
They really don't, they didn't even advertise Halo.