fr/lg is more in a need of a remake. It's a older title unplayable on any current hardware unlike d/p. They always go with the oldest game for remakes. Fr/lg is now the oldest.
Let's not ignore the sales potential is MUCH higher as well.
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Pokémon Community Thread 3: "Soon, All of Hoenn Will Be Under Its Withering Glare "
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Let's not ignore the sales potential is MUCH higher as well.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I still think Yellow makes the most sense. They never remade it and it makes perfect sense for the 20th anniversary with the whole Pikachu thing.
Any hardware capable of playing FR/LG has been out of print over 8 years. The vast majority of kids have no viable legal way of playing the most iconic title of the franchise. D/P is playable on 3DS. Even if the next title is a Z or X2/Y2 the next remake without question is Kanto. There is no way they skip over it for D/P, especially with now being the oldest title not remade.
-Most popular entry
-Only one not playable on current hardware
-FR/LG is the next oldest title without a remake
-20th anniversary coming up.
Kanto is 99.999999% locked to be the next in the remake line.
Professor Beef
Banned
...Gen 1 only got one remake.
Posting some cool fanart of the original 151
http://pixalry.io/post/76170674747/kanto-illustrations-001-026-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/77869112761/kanto-illustrations-027-049-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/78960661123/kanto-illustrations-050-073-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/80016311117/kanto-illustrations-074-094-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/81512997532/kanto-illustrations-095-112-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/76170674747/kanto-illustrations-001-026-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/77869112761/kanto-illustrations-027-049-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/78960661123/kanto-illustrations-050-073-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/80016311117/kanto-illustrations-074-094-created-by-piper
http://pixalry.io/post/81512997532/kanto-illustrations-095-112-created-by-piper
ArchedThunder
Banned
That Onix looks awesome.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
and that's how you make most of the original 150 mons look non-generic
though I'm not a huge big fan of the "hey look I'm an indie" aesthetic
though I'm not a huge big fan of the "hey look I'm an indie" aesthetic
And that's enough. No need for another one.
The remake is over a decade old, and long out of print and extremely expensive to find new or in decent condition.
Any hardware capable of playing it is also long out of print.
There is no viable legal way for newer or younger fans to play the most popular title in the franchise. The base of the fanbase should be denied access to this entry because you got a remake over a decade ago? That doesn't make sense at all.
The whole point of the remakes is bring the oldest titles into newer hardware cycles for compatibility. The Kanto games including FR/LG are now the most out of the date and oldest titles in the franchise and the only ones not playable on 3DS hardware.
What you are saying makes no logical sense for the franchise at all.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
You already got your Kanto shit though. It's XY.
It has Gen I pokemon but it isn't the gen 1 game. The "Ash"/"Gary" dynamic, Team Rocket, Kanto towns, gym leaders like Misty, Brock, etc are what make the game iconic. And younger and newer fans have no way to play the most iconic game in the franchise legally. It all but demands a remake.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
All of these things exist in the game.You're talking about the anime, not the game.
Both Kanto and Hoenn remakes should have been obvious from the onset of this generation just from looking at what Pokemon lines were getting mega evolutions. Counting primal revisions, the regional lines that have received megas this gen by region are:
Kanto: 17
Johto: 4
Hoenn: 23
Sinnoh: 4
Unova: 1
Kalos: 1
Why do you guys think the results are so lopsided towards two specific generations?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Because Kanto mons had powercreep? Also popularity.
I was referring about the stuff he mentioned were mostly anime stuff, not in the games.
I was referring about the stuff he mentioned were mostly anime stuff, not in the games.
Yeah those two Mewtwo megas sure were needed to offset how weak Mewtwo has become.
Alright extend that to the games. For the same reason Kanto Pokemon disproportionately got more mega evolutions than most other gens, the Kanto games will also get a disproportionate amount of remakes compared to the other gens.
And Ash/Gary was a mirror of Red/Green, a huge part of the game, Team Rocket was a huge part of the game, Kanto towns were a huge part of the games, and gym leaders were a huge part of the game. Take any of these out and you have a game that doesn't look much like Red and Green.
X/Y was them trying to sell on nostalgia.
In the cartoon (at least in English), the 1st year's theme was "I Wanna Be The Very Best", Team Rocket's using their old motto again, and of course all of the Kanto Pokemon in X/Y.
Hoenn got a bunch of Megas because of Alpha Sapphire, not the other way around (though it still did have more Megas than most).
In the cartoon (at least in English), the 1st year's theme was "I Wanna Be The Very Best", Team Rocket's using their old motto again, and of course all of the Kanto Pokemon in X/Y.
Hoenn got a bunch of Megas because of Alpha Sapphire, not the other way around (though it still did have more Megas than most).
No, it was them trying to sell a new game, a selling point for it was that most Pokemon in the series were available in it.
Almost all Pokemon were available in XY, the only difference between how Kanto was represented compared to every other generation was that the four legends and starters were also available, which ended up happening with every other generation in ORAS. In terms of Pokemon availability, no generation was favor in these games.
And all of those other things could point to future releases, same with Origins and every other Kanto reference this generation. Many people took every Hoenn reference in XY as reason to believe those remakes were coming, and sure enough they were right. I'm not sure why the barometer for what constitutes allusions to potential later games has changed so suddenly now that those are out.
And I'm suggesting that the same exact thing is happening with Kanto Pokemon and a potential Gen 1 remake.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Explain to me how they're "generic", please.
The hell is that?
You know the run of the mill indie look is, the essential quirkiness and that "pay attention to me tee hee hee" design
And come on, outside of a few mons a lot of the gen 1 designs go for the "generic animal" approach, like Gastly is a ghost ball and your abundance of pink blobs.
A lot of the other mons did get megas to prevent power creep, or at least in theory. And we did get the popularity response.
Yes they have huge parts of the game but you are assuming the personalities in the anime translate into the games. When people mention TR they usually don't refer to the game version. Same with the gym leaders.
RBY already got their shilling in XY, let's how ZX ZY makes the Gen VI stood on its own.
dakkumauji
Member
It'll at least save us from getting an ugly battle between the two legendaries with a plot that's half forgotten in between the 7th and 8th gym.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I'm interested to see what they do with Pokemon on mobile now after the Nintendo announcement. We'll probably get something like Shuffle, but I hope they do something other than a puzzle game too, maybe a little adventure game or something.
Pokemon's already been on mobile to some extent for a while, I expect a lot more now.
There are some fully evolved lines that I cannot see getting Megas (Raichu, Eevee, Mew), but that's still a good chunk.
Unless they really plan on giving everything a Mega at some point (which is definitely possible), I just cannot see this as justification for a remake.
About 1/3 of the fully evolved Pokemon left in 1st generation have been given Megas already though.
There are some fully evolved lines that I cannot see getting Megas (Raichu, Eevee, Mew), but that's still a good chunk.
Unless they really plan on giving everything a Mega at some point (which is definitely possible), I just cannot see this as justification for a remake.
I don't know. You're not actually describing an art style.
Ghostly balls of smog are generic animals?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yes, pretty uninspired. Hell, their Japanese names even are. Compare Gen 1 designs to Gen 2 designs - the latter are more defined and have a more refined backdrop. Compare Misdreavus to Gastly, Haunter or Gengar. Or compare Furret to Raticate.
It's something hard to describe. Like I said if you see a lot of indie video games being churned out (via Steam or such) you'd recognize certain patterns found in their design, and somehow it reeks from those pics there.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I know, I'm just expecting actual effort to go into it now.
A shit load of Gen I Pokemon could still get Megas and they kinda implied from the beginning that the plan was to give everyone a Mega.
So am I to believe that the most popular Pokemon are in Gen 1 and 3, since most other generations got hardly anything even though every single non-event Pokemon is readily available? And Mega Rayquaza throws any semblance of balance out the window, it's the most broken Pokemon in the game since Gen 1 Mewtwo and all that needs to be said about the importance Game Freak places on balancing the games. So why did it get one? Because the one of the three poster Pokemon of the games they were remaking. Hey, Charizard, Blastoise and Venusaur got ones as well! Which coincidentally means that those six the only box art pokemon in the entire series that got mega evolutions.
So bring their anime personalities to the games? Brock is flirtatious, Misty is a tomboy; there we go as herculean of an effort as that was to attach those personality attributes so suddenly to existing characters in a game series so well known for its engrossing character depth I think I managed to pull it off well.
It's not justification for a remake, if they do end up happening those megas are a direct result of them deciding to do the remakes which is why I'm suggesting that they're reason to believe one is coming in the first place. And they don't need to even come close to giving every Kanto 'mon a mega, just enough to give the player variety which they've already accomplished at this point since there are already seventeen of them before any potential remakes.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Legendaries don't get proper balance since they aren't legal in the official competitive rules.
To the existing fanbase that were going to buy the game regardless? Yes.
To the people that haven't played for a long time, particularly the 1st generation fans? I don't see it not being the main reason. The games were made to reel in people who are lapsed fans.
Equating the way you get the other starters in ORAS to the Gen 1 starters in XY is silly considering the point of them in ORAS is just to make it possible to get all of the Pokemon, while XY gives you them during the MAIN game.
I know right, and it will be dominating VGC this year, they are crazy.
Alternatively, compare Politoed to Poliwhirl (God Politoed is such a lame-looking evolution) or Typhlosion to Charizard.
Plus, I can't think of any gen 2 Pokemon as inspired as the Paras line.
I'm not sure which Indie games you're talking about. The closest I can think of is Bastion, which hardly looked typical.
I'm not just talking about the starters. Every non-event foreign legendary in ORAS is tied to an important new mechanic and are going to be heavily advertised in the next movie, and Lucario plays a bigger part in XY than any of the Kanto starters or legendaries. If they're selling nostalgia, it's par the course and I don't see much of a need for the Gen 1 in XY aspect of it to be continuously pointed out like it frequently is or act as if it precludes them from being advertised again.
I'll concede that they might not care about battling balance outside of their official rules.
holy crap don't argue with boss doggie. He's worse than a "genwunner".
Why would they?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
But Politoed > Poliwhirl. And I think you mean Poliwrath, who is essentially an angry Poliwhirl. And I'd argue Typhlosion has a better gimmick than "my tail is on fire" Charizard. Like I said though, "most". Paras is definitely good as well as like say Arcanine.
Just look at steam and look for those mobile games turned into steam games among other things. Bastion is one of the better designed indie games.
So am I to believe that the most popular Pokemon are in Gen 1 and 3, since most other generations got hardly anything even though every single non-event Pokemon is readily available? And Mega Rayquaza throws any semblance of balance out the window, it's the most broken Pokemon in the game since Gen 1 Mewtwo and all that needs to be said about the importance Game Freak places on balancing the games. So why did it get one? Because the one of the three poster Pokemon of the games they were remaking. Hey, Charizard, Blastoise and Venusaur got ones as well! Which coincidentally means that those six the only box art pokemon in the entire series that got mega evolutions.
So bring their anime personalities to the games? Brock is flirtatious, Misty is a tomboy; there we go as herculean of an effort as that was to attach those personality attributes so suddenly to existing characters in a game series so well known for its engrossing character depth I think I managed to pull it off well.
Uh yeah? Those mons are pretty popular. Like I said, powercreep in "theory", but it's mostly popularity. And like I said, XY has the Gen 1 pandering to a tee hence those.
You showed Yellow... You do know what Yellow is right?
And... those personalities are barely even "personalities" especially if you want to go to the route that they just sit in their gyms. Change them a lot and you'd have people claiming "they changed the games!!!"
ArchedThunder
Banned
Long ago there was a massive explosion and out of the crater crawled the genwunners, a race of beings with an irrational hate of everything to come after. Everything has an opposite, and from the nega-energy of the genwun explosion a new being was born, one with an irrational hate of all that came before(except Arcanine). It called itself...
Boss Doggie.
I'm sorry
UltimateIke
Member
I skipped the Ruby and Sapphire remakes, but I would be there day one for new remakes of Red and Blue.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug, and I'm not shy of abusing it.
Nostalgia is a powerful drug, and I'm not shy of abusing it.
It's also Arcanine's best chance of getting a Mega Evolution.
ArchedThunder
Banned
It can finally be a real Legendary.
Professor Beef
Banned
I just want some evolutions for single-stage Pokemon, and NOT Megas.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Instead they'll give it an ability that gives the opposing Pokemon an attack boost. :B
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Me too. Megas are cool and all, but it really pains me seeing some of these amazingly creative designs getting used for temporary power-ups and not permanent forms. Activating a Mega Evolution simply isn't as gratifying or exciting as finally reaching a new evolutionary stage, and I say that as someone who's in favour of Megas as a gameplay mechanic.
ArchedThunder
Banned
We'll have to see how it goes next gen, I'm pretty sure Megas were intended to replace new evolutions of old Pokemon (outside of Eevee) because of all the complaints they got from Gen IV. The reception of Megas has been mixed to positive, so it could go either way. That being said, Megas are here to stay, that much is sure.
As someone who likes them I honestly I wouldn't mind Megas being taken out and the designs for them being used as real evolutions and alternate forms. It'd be weird, but I'm sure people would adapt to it pretty quickly.
What if they made it so Pokemon needed to reach some level requirement to Mega Evolve? Would that make it more gratifying?
dakkumauji
Member
Level requirement.
Max friendship.
Max closeness.
Max EVs
6 different ribbons
And Immune to Pokerus
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I dunno, I just think that the feeling of satisfaction the evolution sequence gives me can't be caused by an in-battle power up. My favourite part of breeding competitive Pokémon is seeing them evolve for the final time and knowing that they're one step closer to crushing the competition for me.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
What ever happened to that Jynx.
Hey, be glad someone's vocal towards something that's not a common thing. And again, I am waiting for points that invalidate my claim.
And I'm seriously laughing that to this day you think genwunners don't exist. And that apparently people who don't put the first stuff in a high pedestal are "not worth it" or "contrarians".
You're as bad as people thinking Pokemon don't have lore in their designs.
Jokes on you, I came from another dimension!
Hey, be glad someone's vocal towards something that's not a common thing. And again, I am waiting for points that invalidate my claim.
And I'm seriously laughing that to this day you think genwunners don't exist. And that apparently people who don't put the first stuff in a high pedestal are "not worth it" or "contrarians".
You're as bad as people thinking Pokemon don't have lore in their designs.
Jokes on you, I came from another dimension!
You're an incredibly common personality on the internet. The internet is full of loners who sit at home looking down on anyone and anything that is popular because they feel they're better than them for being unique. I'm sure that like your brethren, you do the same thing offline as you do online.
Of course people like you exist who think anything after the first generation sucks. I just refer to them the same way I do you and think the term "genwunner" is stupid.