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It's dead jim
The vita never took off and never will
The vita never took off and never will
Sure, and I'm personally fine with things continuing as they are. But my point is that the Vita is far from dead.
Those games wouldn't sell the PS Vita to the mainstream market. Those games are associated primarily with console gaming. I believe there was simply no chance of the PS Vita moving hardware to the same degree as PS4's popularity. The mainstream market's interest in dedicated handhelds had just declined and a big portion of that market is likely satisfied with mobile games on smartphones/tablets.
The PSP's decline in popularity 2010/2011 was already a sign of this, with the mobile phone/tablet market growing exponentially in comparison.
I think the PSP was mainly succesful because of the brand. It was released around the peak of the PS2 popularity, where the PlayStation brand was ubiquitous and therefore very strong. I don't think it was succesful of God of War, Gran Turismo.
God of War: Ghost of Sparta sold significantly less than God of War: Chains of Olympus.
The PS Vita had a great game from a well-known IP as a launch game. It had a larger first-party launch line-up than the Wii U, 3DS, PS4 and Xbox One. It was very well received as well and had high satisfaction rate.
So it's safe to say that if it wasn't a big success at that point, that there probably just isn't that much demand for such a device from the mainstream market.
I suppose "dead" is not really a good term. Well maybe it is regarding for its sales but yeah, maybe not for its games.
Too bad we will never get stuff like Killzone Mercenary for it ever again. It feels like the games available for Vita right now barely able to scratch the machine's potential :/
The way I see it, Vita has less competition now as Nintendo making mobile games instead of 3DS games. So that's good news to Vita I think.
It is indeed not a good term. Its meaning, within the context of video game systems, is not unanimously defined. It isn't unambiguously defined. Some people use it to refer to the possibility that said console (e.g. PS Vita) isn't being stocked in large quantities by retailers anymore. Some people use the term to refer to the possibility that the system isn't getting any new games anymore. Some people use the term to refer to the possibility that the system isn't selling many units anymore and is in low demand. Some people use the term to refer to the possibility that the system isn't worth anyone's money or time anymore.
It seems often just used as a derogatory term to refer to the possibility that isn't a system in high demand.
Like I said in a previous post, a less disparaging and more specific term than 'dead' could be 'not economically viable/profitable for a large amount of game developers/publishers' or 'selling less than 100K units per month' or something.
To be honest, both the 3DS and Vita didn't really have much of compelling software early on. What made me choose a 3DS over a Vita was what Nintendo was willing to do and how much they pushed the hardware to sell. They continued to support it even if it wasn't doing too well but I knew that if I purchased it I wouldn't regret it. I felt more confident in buying one because I knew that Nintendo would support it to the very end. Meanwhile Sony hasn't done much of anything with it. they stopped and gave up really early on to focus more and more on their consoles. I had no confidence in Sony to pick up the slack, and I still don't now. If Sony made another handheld I would definitely not purchase it.
So for me, the Vita is dead because Sony seems to want nothing to do with it. PSP was pretty alright though, lots of appealing games, lots of non-ecchi JRPGs I loved and appealed to me.
To each their own. What you describe isn't something that applies for me at all. (I place more value on the quality of the device itself, not so much about the "marketing support" which has no direct relevance for me. Not to say the 3DS isn't a good handheld, but I just prefer the PS Vita. Just more comfortable, more ergonomic, better quality display and hardware, the UI is more multi-functional and more snappy. Just a better experience all around in my humble opinion. 150-200 (3DS price) for a device with a garbage 400x240 display with expensive games (30-40 per game) just isn't a good value proposition in the present-day in my humble opinion)
But again, different strokes, different folks. Totally understandable if you have different desires.
It's good that we still have two handhelds this generation regardless. Probably the last generation with this kind of competition and with a handheld as commercially succesful as the 3DS.
No chance. Sony won't even update the PSN store on the vita itself to reflect the web store. So, things like the recent Toukiden demo, along with Castlevania PSP don't appear to be available to buy, when in fact they are (this is the Australian PSN, btw).
If Sony aren't willing to commit to even the simplest of tasks, the ends of which makes them money, then its pretty clear where the Vita stands for them. It was left to die and has been hanging on to life in spite of them, not because of them.
I am very disappointed in the way Sony have handled things.
I suppose "dead" is not really a good term. Well maybe it is regarding for its sales but yeah, maybe not for its games.
Too bad we will never get stuff like Killzone Mercenary for it ever again. It feels like the games available for Vita right now barely able to scratch the machine's potential :/
Well, I see the vita fans are still fucking delusional when it comes to the health of the system of what I needs in order to attract developers and to be successful.
And I say that as an owner of two Vitas. It's a great system but not even Sony wants to support it. It's as dead as the last guardian.
The way I see it, Vita has less competition now as Nintendo making mobile games instead of 3DS games. So that's good news to Vita I think.
The memory card money grab always kept me away from the system. I think in about 5-10 years I may grab one on the cheap with all the best games and give it a whirl but no rush now.
Except for the author of the OP, I'm not really seeing the alleged delusion among many posters / PS Vita fans here.
It doesn't even need that much first-party games to me, since its catalog is already well-saturated with first-party games. Though occasionally one can never hurt of course. That's my humble opinion.
Unlike with PS4, SCE did a great job with the first-party games on PS Vita.
And yet even taking the pricey memory cards into account, it's still the new generation system that offers the best value imo. That says a lot about how good it is.
Imo with PC + PS Vita and maybe Wii U you're pretty much covered for an extremely wide range of games. Both for on the go and stationary. Of course GAF will tell me that the PS4 is better because of.. 20 million sales.
And yet the ps4 has sold 20 million units. And because of those sales the ps4 has a future. The vita does not.
The market has shifted and Sony didn't give a shit enough to adjust.
If by renaissance you mean Vita to be a success, sadly no, but unlike what many people here want to think Vita is still strong and loved by gamers, japanese and indie developers, despite the hate from Sony, how can you call dead a system that keep getting games and survives despite the lack of real interest and support from who made it?
it's neither dead in absolute nor dead everywhere except Japan, in fact the many localizations confirm that outside Japan Vita is a viable platform, exactly like all the indie developers think.
Sadly it will be near impossible to see a big western game without a help from Sony, but Sony is the first one to hate Vita(since the beginning and not just because it has low sales, remember how SCEA NEVER made a good show at e3).
I'm a Nintendo console fan, but the 3DS left a bad taste in my mouth due to its crappy screens and resolution as well as the usual Nintendo region locking and lack of a unified account.
I am PC getting a WiiU and I'm fine. I don't care about Japanese made games for the most part so a PS4 isn't on my horizon as it doesn't really have much to offer me.
But for the Vita memory cards, it's more of a matter of principal. They launched and required proprietary cards to even boot some games. After the whole blow back from the 360 Harddrives, it just seem short sighted and an obvious money grab. It turned me off right from the start and they never got me back. You don't get a second chance to make a first impression sometimes.
Fair enough. I consider it definitely worth it, because it isn't like there's a good alternative handheld for the PS Vita that offers an as good handheld gaming experience (sorry 3DS but your display is garbage, your ergonomics are dated and your games are too expensive for me).
I'd recommend the PS Vita as a first choice to anyone looking for a good handheld to play a wide variety of games during commute or for general-purpose portability and ease of access.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum
And yet the PS Vita is still much more appealing to me than the PS4.
Even taking into account that it won't have as much new upcoming games as PS4, the portability and ease of use, compatibility with PSP/PS1, current catalog of games make it a more interesting value proposition for consumers with similar desires as me.
Different consumers will have different desires. Yes PS4 has more mainstream appeal. That doesn't render the PS Vita useless for every consumer out there.
Also there is nothing to adjust with PS Vita to make it more appealing to the mass-market. Except maybe taking over the Pokémon IP and making a Pokémon game for it. But that IP isn't up for sale.
Eh, different stroke yada, I take advice on a case by case basis. I own a vita and all it does is gather dust, but my 3DS goes with me everywhere. The 3DS has a huge amount of games for a wider audience imo. As far as the vita goes I've never actually finished a game in the thing.
Different strokes then indeed. Good to take advice on a case by case basis.
with expensive games (30-40 per game) just isn't a good value proposition in the present-day in my humble opinion)
You keep saying this but in general 3DS games are the same price as Vita games. From $49.99 to 99¢. Or free to play even.and your games are too expensive for me).
Boss★Moogle;157986181 said:If Sony could get the price down to $149 (and get the memory cards down to reasonable prices too) and if the system got one high profile exclusive like a new Tales game or Monster Hunter 5 I think there could be a total rebirth of the Vita and it could easily go on for another 4-5 years alongside the PS4, getting lots of quality software along the way.
So, am I totally delusional or could the Vita get a second chance at stardom?
I know. I wasn't arguing against that.Sony has shown that just appealing to consumers like you doesn't mean anything as it relates to sales. There aren't enough of people like you. Saying "well this is a great system for me" and comparing it to the ps4 is crazy too. The vita is a system that is searching for a market. It found niche appeal but that isn't enough because there aren't enough people like you out there to make it a success.
I remember and article that came out about a year after the vita launched and a Sony executive basically said "we built this thing and just assumed people would want to make games for it." THAT is the core problem with the vita. That's also why the ps4 is successful and vita isn't if we take a look at your examples when it comes to things like features. The features don't matter much when the system has a ton of games that people want to play. The vita does not. You couple that with absurd memory card prices and it's not hard to see why the Vita is in the state it's in.
Sony didn't have a plan when they made the system. Thats why every e3 that goes by Vita diehards are like "it'll happen at GDC! It'll happen at PAX! It'll happen at the Tokyo game show" yet every time we don't get anything.
The PS4 was very specifically designed and it's marketing strategy reflects that. It's sales reflect that.
Also, another thing that I feel I have to stress again is the memory card pricing. I want a 64 gig card but cannot stomach paying almost 100 bucks for one. That's LUNACY. If I had a bigger card I would buy more games. Sony pulling what they did with memory card pricing is a big reason I think the system did not take off. A memory card is even needed to boot some games. Those games also have patches and installs. So right out of the box you can't really do shit without buying a memory card. It's a really stupid thing to have done and the only reasons Sony doesn't drop the price is they're greedy and they know they have consumers like you who will forgive them for it. As another poster mentioned, you only get one chance as a first impression and based on sales it's obvious people got a bad impression of the Vita.
Do you know company cannot hate, right?
Sony has shown that just appealing to consumers like you doesn't mean anything as it relates to sales. There aren't enough of people like you. Saying "well this is a great system for me" and comparing it to the ps4 is crazy too. The vita is a system that is searching for a market. It found niche appeal but that isn't enough because there aren't enough people like you out there to make it a success.
I remember and article that came out about a year after the vita launched and a Sony executive basically said "we built this thing and just assumed people would want to make games for it." THAT is the core problem with the vita. That's also why the ps4 is successful and vita isn't if we take a look at your examples when it comes to things like features. The features don't matter much when the system has a ton of games that people want to play. The vita does not. You couple that with absurd memory card prices and it's not hard to see why the Vita is in the state it's in.
Sony didn't have a plan when they made the system. Thats why every e3 that goes by Vita diehards are like "it'll happen at GDC! It'll happen at PAX! It'll happen at the Tokyo game show" yet every time we don't get anything.
The PS4 was very specifically designed and it's marketing strategy reflects that. It's sales reflect that.
sörine;158092888 said:You keep saying this but in general 3DS games are the same price as Vita games. From $49.99 to 99¢. Or free to play even.
sörine;158092888 said:You keep saying this but in general 3DS games are the same price as Vita games. From $49.99 to 99¢. Or free to play even.
sörine;158092888 said:You keep saying this but in general 3DS games are the same price as Vita games. From $49.99 to 99¢. Or free to play even.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=969122
The Vita Isn't dead, in fact there's probably more games coming out for it that I'm interested in than any other format (don't play on PC) It's just doing it's own thing and selling reasonable amounts of software. It's the little arthouse cinema to PS4, Xbox and DS's big multiplexes.