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Russian Head Transplant Doctor Looks Identical to Doctor in MGSV - KOJIMA!

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Sn4ke_911

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Dawg

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The guy does look spot-on, though. I mean, leaving aside all the coincidences and thematic connections, it's pretty crazy.

I don't disagree. I originally said there's a big chance Kojima based the doctor on this neurosurgeon.

But all the stuff beyond that? Ehhh. You're telling me Kojima got someone to hold TED talks, be quoted in newspapers, do interviews etc where he's lying just because of a secret ruse he's doing with Kojima? And his paralyzed patient is part of it? Wouldn't there be consequences? I can't see how lying like that to various media etc would be acceptable.

The only reason we're even having this conversation is because someone noticed how the doctor in MGSV looks a lot like Sergio Canavero. You could have made that connection two years ago when we first saw the doctor at a GDC trailer. It's just coincidence someone noticed it today. There has been no other link in those two years. Kojima likes to troll, but I feel like these "conspiracy threads" go too deep. When has Kojima even done a ruse like this? He did one big ruse with MGS2 and that was it.
 

chadskin

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ilium

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Well... isn't that a story.

When MGSV was first revealed. It wasn't revealed. A mystery studio called Moby Dick Studio headed by a crazy swede wrapped in bandages called Joakim Mogren was having a presentation instead. The game he demo'd was quickly figured to be MGSV, but the facade continued with a personal appearance in an interview with our man Geoff.

Some time later, the game was shown again with a live appearance by "Joakim". Joakim, this time, was Kojima in a weird prosthetic face and that picture is briefly after he removed his false face.

This is all true.

There was also a... let's call it a discussion on the nature of Joakim. You might assume the discussion would centre around the identity of him. The discussion actually centred around if he was a product of the Fox Engine or not.

He was.

(That is not true.)

I see.

So we have Kojima promoting The Phantom Pain with imagery of head surgery or transplantation and also playing with the theme of identity.
And an italian surgeon who wants to conduct the world's first head transplantation (a lofty claim!), who coincidentally appears in the game as a character or was inspiration for and also seems to have ties to the gaming industry in some way or another.

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While I don't think it's an elaborate viral marketing scheme to only promote MGSV, simply because it stands on questionable moral ground given the whole medical context, i can't help but wonder if there's more to it than just pure coincident.
Maybe Kojima was inspired in some way by this doctor's story while conducting research on related topics such as head surgery and phantom pain, or it's a cooperation to draw attention to the medical concern once this ploy gets revealed, while simultaneously promoting the game.
 
Some time later, the game was shown again with a live appearance by "Joakim". Joakim, this time, was Kojima in a weird prosthetic face and that picture is briefly after he removed his false face.

Also Joakim is an anagram for Kojima.

I guess that Kojima saw the head transplant doctor and modelled an in game head transplant doctor after him?

Funny thing is,this character may have been around since 1990. Some people suspect that it is the character Dr. Kio Marv who made his first appearance in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake for the MSX computer. The character was also referenced in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, as well. But who knows? Maybe the design looked simaler enough that Kojima made him look like this real world doctor. The design for Kio Marv was also reconnected for that Metal Gear collection on the PS3/ 360.

The-Phantom-Pain-Metal-Gear-Solid-5-Dr-Kio-Marv.jpg
 

duotres

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Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."
 

Slowdive

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Let's just say this is all real for a second. What if this is the taboo Kojima was talking about? Saying if it went wrong he would leave games.
 

Skux

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This is fantastic. The simple explanation is that Kojima was inspired by the real life doctor's story and likeness.

The complex explanation is that David Hayter confirmed.
 
I don't disagree. I originally said there's a big chance Kojima based the doctor on this neurosurgeon.

But all the stuff beyond that? Ehhh. You're telling me Kojima got someone to hold TED talks, be quoted in newspapers, do interviews etc where he's lying just because of a secret ruse he's doing with Kojima? And his paralyzed patient is part of it? Wouldn't there be consequences? I can't see how lying like that to various media etc would be acceptable.

I don't think he's lying, he definitely wants to proceed and the patient is a real guy, obviously. I think there's the possibility that there may be some promotional link, could be just an uncredited appearance, could be something more substantial with the TedTalk as a part of it.

The only reason we're even having this conversation is because someone noticed how the doctor in MGSV looks a lot like Sergio Canavero. You could have made that connection two years ago when we first saw the doctor at a GDC trailer. It's just coincidence someone noticed it today. There has been no other link in those two years. Kojima likes to troll, but I feel like these "conspiracy threads" go to deep. When has Kojima even done a ruse like this? He did one big ruse with MGS2 and that was it.

He invented a whole new dev studio for that trailer, that was a pretty big ruse.
 

Soulflarz

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Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."

I just thought of this 15m ago. Thanks for posting it, I got sidetracked and forgot to mention it :3
 
Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."

Does this mean he messed up?
 

CookTrain

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Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."

Kojima: "I have a delicate subject I want to approach in my new game."
Konami: "We've read the treatment. Abuse, child slavery, you're really pushing the..."
Kojima: "Brain transplants"
Konami: "... I think we have to fire you now"
 

hohoXD123

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I see.

So we have Kojima promoting The Phantom Pain with imagery of head surgery or transplantation and also playing with the theme of identity.
And an italian surgeon who wants to conduct the world's first head transplantation, who coincidentally appears in the game as a character or was inspiration for and also seems to have ties to the gaming industry in some way or another.

1tBKK1M.gif


While I don't think it's an elaborate viral marketing scheme to only promote MGSV, simply because it stands on questionable moral ground given the whole medical context, i can't help but wonder if there's more to it than just pure coincident.
Maybe Kojima was inspired in some way by this doctor's story while conducting research on related topics such as head surgery and phantom pain.
Yeah, more likely that Kojima drew inspiration from the doctor's work than Kojima setting this all up as some sort of viral marketing campaign, don't think even he could pull something like this off considering the medical journals/universities having to be involved. Still though, doubt he can just take someone's image and stick it in the game even with the disclaimers they usually have, the doctor probably agreed to it. But after seeing a summary of all the findings surrounding this story so far, I just don't know what to believe anymore. Would be beyond insane if true.
 

Respawn

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Also Joakim is an anagram for Kojima.



Funny thing is,this character may have been around since 1990. Some people suspect that it is the character Dr. Kio Marv who made his first appearance in Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake for the MSX computer. The character was also referenced in Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty, as well. But who knows? Maybe the design looked simaler enough that Kojima made him look like this real world doctor. The design for Kio Marv was also reconnected for that Metal Gear collection on the PS3/ 360.

The-Phantom-Pain-Metal-Gear-Solid-5-Dr-Kio-Marv.jpg

Good catch
 

RetroDLC

Foundations of Burden
I think it's probably the case that Kojima talked to this guy as part of his research for writing the plot of the game, and used him in the trailer just for the hell of it.
 

CookTrain

Member
That was way more obvious, though. And I still don't consider that such a big ruse. The CEO of that company was Kojima with a wig and moustache, lol.

Maybe you "bungle" an obvious ruse to get people to write off your much larger scheme as impossible :O

:D
 

RoKKeR

Member
I'm still just bewildered that somebody is actually going to try a human head transplant...

Anyways this thread is hilarious. Wild MGS speculation never ceases to entertain.
 

Andrefpvs

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Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."

Duuuuude!
 
Not as big as having fake Tedx talks, fake news stories, bascially a whole fake life for a guy, and fake medical journals published. That would just be... wow.

I agree, but at the same time this doctor is a bit fishy. The medical research group he supposedly works at in Turin doesn't seem to exist, at least not in any online capacity. Maybe he does have credentials, and is an expert in the field, but he also seems like a total crackpot in the vein of Dr. Frankenstein. Naming your procedures things like HEAVEN and GEMINI is so videogamesy. I don't think he's a fake doctor, but at the same time I'm not convinced Kojima and him aren't in cahoots.
 

Soulflarz

Banned
Kojima: "I have a delicate subject I want to approach in my new game."
Konami: "We've read the treatment. Abuse, child slavery, you're really pushing the..."
Kojima: "Brain transplants"
Konami: "... I think we have to fire you now"

Would it be worth it though :p
 
Not as big as having fake Tedx talks, fake news stories, bascially a whole fake life for a guy, and fake medical journals published. That would just be... wow.

I never said the guy's fake, or that he published fake journals, quite the contrary.

I'm familiar with him and think he's a bit of a publicity whore, which is what 90% of the medical community thinks of him btw.

I mean, just yesterday he called on Bill Gates to contribute to his experiment.
 

MattyG

Banned
I agree, but at the same time this doctor is a bit fishy. The medical research group he supposedly works at in Turin doesn't seem to exist, at least not in any online capacity. Maybe he does have credentials, and is an expert in the field, but he also seems like a total crackpot in the vein of Dr. Frankenstein. Naming your procedures things like HEAVEN and GEMINI is so videogamesy. I don't think he's a fake doctor, but at the same time I'm not convinced Kojima and him aren't in cahoots.
He actually stood in front of a picture of Frankenstein's monster at one point during his Ted Talk.

I never said the guy's fake, or that he published fake journals, quite the contrary.

I'm familiar with him and think he's a bit of a publicity whore, which is what 90% of the medical community thinks of him btw.

I mean, just yesterday he called on Bill Gates to contribute to his research.
Ahhh, ok. Yeah, if he's a super sketchy hack doctor I could see him going along with something like this actually.
 

ilium

Member
Guys, do you remember this words from kojima 5 years ago?

"The next project will challenge a certain type of taboo," he wrote. "If I mess up, I'll probably have to leave the industry. However, I don't want to pass by avoiding that. I turn 47 this year. It's been 24 years since I started making games. Today, I got an ally who would happily support me in that risk. Although it's just one person. For a start, it's good."

well there it is.

wonder if it's the patient or the doctor tho.
 
The Kio Marv speculation doesn't make sense for a few reasons


1. Kio Marv was a biological scientist who created OILIX which was a genetically oil producing thing. he wasn't a medical doctor

2. OILIX never played a role after MG 2: Solid Snake..so i assume Kojima doesn't care about that plot point and always thought that would of been retconned if Kojima did a MG and MG 2 remake

same with Madnar speculation..Madnar was a robotics scientist not a medical doctor
 
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