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Fallout 4 Officially Revealed for PC, Xbox One, PS4 [Reddit Rumor = Ban]

teh_pwn

"Saturated fat causes heart disease as much as Brawndo is what plants crave."
Looks great. While the graphics are a bit behind Witcher 3 for example, Bethesda hasn't been a leader in graphics since Elder Scrolls Oblivion so no surprises here. I'm just glad their next gen engine is near complete. Bring on Fallout 4 and Elder Scrolls 6.
 

weevles

Member
I enjoy Bethesda's games, but I can't say I've ever liked their character models or animations. I just find the way they represent people odd and the animations have a strange unnaturalness about them that always sticks out to me for some reason. I think the environments are beautifully done though.
 

-Ryn

Banned
Can't wait to play this game. So hyped. SO HYPED.

Man, when did everybody else get so cynical, or am I just suddenly old?
My first system was the NES.

Everybody in here is like "It looks so dated!"
I was like "It looks so much better than New Vegas, oh my god! This is amazing!"

Except the final shot. Though that's more of an art direction and tradition thing than a graphical issue.
That blue Vault jumpsuit looks pretty silly.
Some people just have weird priorities.

I understand being disappointed by graphics, but JEEZUS is it sad how much people are bitching about this. Comparatively sure, the game doesn't look nearly as good as some games. However it still looks beautiful. The colors and lighting especially so. When did gaming become about who has the prettiest dress on?

I feel like some old dude, talking about how spoiled gamers are these days but holy shit! If the game runs smooth and plays well what the hell is the damn problem?
 

MartyStu

Member
I must say it is really sad that people are so obsessed with graphics. I am not saying they don't matter. They matter to an extent, but some people really have a very high standard when it comes to it.

I think some people need to be less shallow when it comes to graphics, you will enjoy gaming a lot more trust me.

I am really looking to this game. It has been a while since stepping into a Fallout game.

Thank you for your condescension.
 
Oblivion was at one point unmatched in graphics in 2006, it set a new bar. So we can't really say Bethesda is known for terrible graphics. Morrowind too had some amazing looking water for its time.

This was incredible for 2006

Oblivion blew my mind when I saw it running on a 360. I couldn't believe it, it was fuckin magical.
 
no i already thought it looked good but not outstanding but gradually its been growing on me and im appreciating the finer details

for example i can imagine raiders or a super mutant or a deathclaw in the background of this scene and i think itd look fantastic

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Little concerned about these mountainous hilly outcrops... I mean... basically everywhere around Boston proper is pretty damn flat. Well, not concerned, just piqued.
 
They would sell more if it's on everything. That's a lot of money. But honestly if ANYTHING they wanted to do with the game scope wise or gameplay wise was limited by them putting it on last gen, I'd be pretty disappointed if it ended up there. I guess there's no real way to know that.

I think what matters is that I want to play this game real bad, and if it eventually comes to consoles that a bunch of people already own and continue to enjoy, that's great.

Hell I played Fallout 3 for three hours earlier today on Xbox 360. It's a great time. I think we get really spoiled and nitpicky when it comes to the way games look. Idk.
 
If that were true, I'd be sad and amazed the original Fallout in 1997 had more character creation options than a game in 2016.

holy shit how does this keep happening

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That was posted 11 months ago, in July 2014.

Most of it is based off of this 2013 Kotaku article, with only a couple things changed, such as gender option, and the random DLC schedule plus Naughty Bear people spin-off: http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956



Unless you have something better to back it up, keep it out of the thread please.

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That was posted 11 months ago, in July 2014.

Most of it is based off of this 2013 Kotaku article, with only a couple things changed, such as gender option, and the random DLC schedule plus Naughty Bear people spin-off: http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956



Unless you have something better to back it up, keep it out of the thread please.

Niro you should have added this to the tippy top of the OP
 
My complaint isn't that the graphics aren't spectacular..its the game just looks exactly like Fallout 3. If you arent gonna do anything really new or interesting..then at least make it fallout with amazing visuals...instead im confused as to why people are falling over themselves from this video

nostalgia? the brand name?

it just looks meh to me..like i played this game before.

I'm going off only what i see so far in the trailer.

Exactly.

At least they'll improve the animation which I hated so much in the previous games.
I don't really mind the graphics. I played New Vegas in 2014.
 

ViciousDS

Banned
I must say it is really sad that people are so obsessed with graphics. I am not saying they don't matter. They matter to an extent, but some people really have a very high standard when it comes to it.

I think some people need to be less shallow when it comes to graphics, you will enjoy gaming a lot more trust me.

I am really looking to this game. It has been a while since stepping into a Fallout game.

After owning all current gen systems and enjoying the witcher 3 more on the Xbox one due to the ps4 version constantly locking itself to 20 fps cause of the vsync method. I really don't care abymore. If the game looks clean and nice with great gameplay its good enough for me. The game looks fine, as long as the story delivers with great gameplay I'll be a happy camper.
 
They would sell more if it's on everything. That's a lot of money. But honestly if ANYTHING they wanted to do with the game scope wise or gameplay wise was limited by them putting it on last gen, I'd be pretty disappointed if it ended up there. I guess there's no real way to know that.

thats whats bugging me atm

but then why wouldnt they just release all versions at the same time instead of after a whole year?

in that time people can just say screw it and buy a next gen console to play fallout 4
 

BeEatNU

WORLDSTAAAAAAR
Just an enjoy? Old World Blues is unquestionably the best of all the fallout DLC.

I'm just fearing this whole plot with the Institute is going to be a lesser version of it. Bethesda hasn't exactly wowed on their main quest lines, ever.

haha I enjoyed it ALOT tbh
I do feel BoS is right next to it.

Mothership ZETA was only good for ray gun ammo and selling the gems and the girl with 100 repair
 
My complaint isn't that the graphics aren't spectacular..its the game just looks exactly like Fallout 3. If you arent gonna do anything really new or interesting..then at least make it fallout with amazing visuals...instead im confused as to why people are falling over themselves from this video

nostalgia? the brand name?

it just looks meh to me..like i played this game before.

I'm going off only what i see so far in the trailer.
We haven't seen any gameplay. How can you say it looks exactly like Fallout 3 when all we've seen is different environments, some people, some flashbacks, and creatures?
 
Finally got around to watching this on not my phone.

Damn, those graphics are rough. :( And being DX11, it'll be a lot harder for modders to improve...
 
thats whats bugging me atm

but then why wouldnt they just release all versions at the same time instead of after a whole year?

in that time people can just say screw it and buy a next gen console to play fallout 4
It's easier to design a game that works on better hardware first and then downgrade as necessary over an extended period of time.. Just look at what mortal kombat is trying to do. But it makes me worry that there are compromises in that kind of design
 
I think I'm gonna sit out of this thread until people get their heads together and focus on things that actually determine if a game is fun, like game mechanics, story, dialog, characters etc.

Not if the game's falling off the face of the Earth because it's not the Crysis of current-gen.
 
It's easier to design a game that works on better hardware first and then downgrade as necessary over an extended period of time.. Just look at what mortal kombat is trying to do. But it makes me worry that there are compromises in that kind of design

i just want bethesda to come out and say its only on new gen and pc so i can relax >.>
 
You do realize there are performance tradeoffs right? Look up draw calls in relation to performance.

A Bethesda game has a massive amount of draw calls because almost every object is dynamic (meaning it is not baked into the environment thus saving draw calls).

Every single mesh that can be moved is a draw call and if they don't use texture atlasing then you can say that every single mesh is 2 draw calls (mesh and material). But wait then you have to add shadows which, depending on the method can add at least 1 more draw call.

So lets say they use texture atlasing for all the small objects. That still means that there are at least 2 draw calls per movable object. Remember that just about everything in the game can be moved (everything that isn't is likely batched into one big mesh to save on draw calls when possible).

Walk into a house in FO:NV and you might find 50 objects you can mess with. Thats at bare minimum 100 but more than likely closer to 200 draw calls, then you have to take into account the draw calls the house itself and all the non movable objects that are not batched. The UI itself is probable 3 or more draw calls.

Beyond that you also have the character and weapon (likely 10 draw calls) and any enemies which would be 4-10 draw calls each. Add into that the draw calls from outside the house which depending on LOD distance can balloon out into 2000+ easy if there is grass and trees.

Culling can help with some of the draw calls but it has its own performance cost.

Now with all of this we still haven't gotten to post processing, Textures sizes, AI, scripting, physics (Beth games have dynamic physics which eats the CPU like nothing), and the lighting engine.

Are there multiple lights in the house casting multiple shadows? Whelp if there are then you can go ahead and double your shadow draw calls.

Do you not see how a Beth style game balloons out into a performance nightmare?

How do other games look so good (Witcher 3)?

Well they use a hell of a lot of static assets that can be batched (combined in both mesh and texture) to vastly limit draw calls which allows them to have better "graphics". Ever notice how almost all loot in the witcher games is found in chests? Well, that is another way to limit draw calls, keeping dynamic objects off the map (lower draw calls, lower physics budget, ect).

People need to educate themselves on how games are made before they start frothing at the mouth over OMG bad graphics. Not every game has the same base, or even the same goals.

ARMA 3 already does way more CPU intensive tasks, and yet looks like one of the best games on PC.

Zoned, I think you're out of your element. you haven't even played any of the games you're using for comparison's sake, much less have even a tenuous grasp on what they're actually doing or attempting under the hood, or why. I mean, ARMA 3, seriously? That game is CPU intensive for very different reasons than Fallout is, and isn't doing anywhere near as much with its open world in terms interaction with the world and its denizens, and in terms of asset diversity. It's CPU intensive because it's doing a lot with its view distance and vehicle/weapons physics models in particular (whereas Fallout is tracking and rendering loads of non-static world objects and shitloads of actors with shitloads of items), and because it's particularly poorly written. Two things that wouldn't act quite as much as visual bottlenecks as what was described in the above post. And it's not exactly the world's prettiest game regardless, though watching actual videos of the game in action as opposed to perusing cherrypicked screenshots communicates that better than I ever could. I've been playing the game for years, I'd know.
 

Lautaro

Member
Apparently expecting good graphics from a AAA developer in 2015 makes us shallow.

If you can enjoy the game with this level of graphics good for you but I don't understand why it bothers some people so much that other players have a higher bar.

Other say "gameplay > graphics", well we haven't seen any gameplay, we are working only on rumors but there's little reason to believe that they will alter the formula too much.
 

MihowZa

Banned
My complaint isn't that the graphics aren't spectacular..its the game just looks exactly like Fallout 3. If you arent gonna do anything really new or interesting..then at least make it fallout with amazing visuals...instead im confused as to why people are falling over themselves from this video

nostalgia? the brand name?

it just looks meh to me..like i played this game before.

I'm going off only what i see so far in the trailer.

This is how I feel. I'll play it again. It's a great setting and I've liked the games but it's starting to FEEL dated. Graphics look fine to be me but you're point is spot on.
 

Laieon

Member
I'm far from a Bethesda fan (and by that I mean the only game of there's that I've played and liked was Fallout 3. Never got around to playing New Vegas, and I didn't really like Skyrim or Oblivion at all).

I think this looks fantastic, I'm loving the art style. Looks beautiful. Maybe it's because I've only really played indie games over the past year or two, but it feels nice to be excited for a big budget game again.


That being said, even though I personally think the game looks great based on the little bit we've seen, I understand why people are upset if they don't.

People tend to use the "Graphics don't matter as much as game play!" argument as if it literally means "Graphics are irrelevant, game play is the only thing you should be worried about!". I don't necessarily think that's true. Graphics can definitely enhance the game play and make it a much more enjoyable experience. I was born in 90. There's plenty of games that I don't think I could go back and play because the art has aged really bad (or in the case of things like MUDs - lack art completely).
 

did you see this?

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That was posted 11 months ago, in July 2014.

Most of it is based off of this 2013 Kotaku article, with only a couple things changed, such as gender option, and the random DLC schedule plus Naughty Bear people spin-off: http://kotaku.com/leaked-documents-reveal-that-fallout-4-is-real-set-in-1481322956



Unless you have something better to back it up, keep it out of the thread please.
 
Puppy!

I hope (not-)Dogmeat climbing on things is going to be a common occurrence, because that was adorable.

Adorable until he aggros five Deathclaws, gets stuck in a piece of geometry, then glitch-spawns to some random point on the map you won't visit for another fifteen hours.

Oh it'll happen.
 
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