Well, there's Icy
Though a Fallout with a winter setting would be very, very neat. A destroyed landscape covered in snow could be a thing of beauty.
I would love to see this nuclear winter that is almost better than patrolling the mojave.
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Fallout 4 Speculation Thread - Graphic talk elsewhere please.
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I would love to see this nuclear winter that is almost better than patrolling the mojave.
TimeEffect
Member
If this is going to be cross gen or whatever, I'm really hoping the world is huuugeee, with stretches of land that feel like you are traveling to far off locations. Where you are halfway between two places and have to decide if it's worth venturing forward, and where you can't simply say "Lol, I'll just fast travel back to where I was for supplies".
In the sense that I want to feel lost, or desperate to find a POI/shelter.
I'm playing Witcher 3. I love it, but it feels like locations are too close to each other. Find Person X's fam? OK, just go to the closest house for clues that the Person easily could have checked himself.
This kind of open world also never feels like an adventure, because you travel to the same locations over and over and over again. Nothing feels like a long trek, where you are in danger of losing supplies.
I was thinking of JRPGs like Final Fantasy, where it feels like you go on an epic adventure, where the place you start from feels like it's a long way gone. Sure, it's not open world, but the main mission feels like an adventure.
I wonder if that can be replicated in some way in FO4, while maintaining its open world structure. I'd like to be in two locations where it feels like I'm really far away from the other.
I also hope time passes for some missions. If I start a quest, I shouldn't necessarily have forever to complete it IMO. Part of making the world feel alive would be having some kind of time to complete it, and if you don't, it changes the outcome.
I feel this is the kind of thing open world games should be heading towards, instead of feeling like a sandbox where you are making castles at your own pace
In the sense that I want to feel lost, or desperate to find a POI/shelter.
I'm playing Witcher 3. I love it, but it feels like locations are too close to each other. Find Person X's fam? OK, just go to the closest house for clues that the Person easily could have checked himself.
This kind of open world also never feels like an adventure, because you travel to the same locations over and over and over again. Nothing feels like a long trek, where you are in danger of losing supplies.
I was thinking of JRPGs like Final Fantasy, where it feels like you go on an epic adventure, where the place you start from feels like it's a long way gone. Sure, it's not open world, but the main mission feels like an adventure.
I wonder if that can be replicated in some way in FO4, while maintaining its open world structure. I'd like to be in two locations where it feels like I'm really far away from the other.
I also hope time passes for some missions. If I start a quest, I shouldn't necessarily have forever to complete it IMO. Part of making the world feel alive would be having some kind of time to complete it, and if you don't, it changes the outcome.
I feel this is the kind of thing open world games should be heading towards, instead of feeling like a sandbox where you are making castles at your own pace
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
They should give you a motorcyle or atv and name it Roach.
Lord of Castamere
Member
Technically both Morrowind and Oblivion were set for Fall releases but then delayed.
As it stands it's actually 4->3.10->2.7->3.1, delays excluded would be 3->4->3->3
Radroach
lighthouse777
Member
rumored fallout 4 release date via Italy Gamestop
same date as the Great war October 23
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4/comments/38i0h3/fallout_4_possible_release_date_from_italian/
http://imgur.com/Ilnox6D
same date as the Great war October 23
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout4/comments/38i0h3/fallout_4_possible_release_date_from_italian/
http://imgur.com/Ilnox6D
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
They can improve the first person shooting AND include VATS. There is no reason (outside of incompetence) that they would have to chose only one.
Croatoan
They/Them A-10 Warthog
That was always my go-to prediction date simply because they've done it before, so I can see it.
You're kinda talking about mount & blade's single player here. I'd like to see this in fallout as well, but I don't see that happening(especially with the airship and VTOLs shown in the trailer)..
It is not , but it is hardly impossible to do .
Games like Witcher series , and all Bioware games have lots and lots of fully voice acted scenes and there are plenty of games around that have multiple voices and still a substantial amount of voiced lines .
plus , we don't even know in what shape or form this will come
Will it be like my character simply repeating the line i just picked or have the characters talk with each other while just staring at each other like the previous games ?
Or will each voiced line come with it's very own acted out cutscene like the witcher/bioware scenes ?
I simply do not see this as a major hurdle if they want to go with a voiced character .
Sorry, what's this from again?
As far as F4 is concerned, what non-visual improvements would we like to see?
Better/tighter shooting mechanics is pretty much a given (they have to, right), but apart from that...
CharmingCharlie
Member
It's from a UK comedy sketch show called "The Fast Show".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NdWJpHt1Xws
I too would love some mode of transport in Fallout 4 something quirky.
Apart from that non shooting actually being useful, role playing, open endedness, good dialogue and characters would be nice.
Actually role playing seems out in this one. The rest would be nice.
Savinowned
Member
I think if they nail the gunplay, it will both improve the game on the standard front and make vats more awesome too! Vats sort of felt like a crutch in Fallout 3, so if they can get an ADS mechanic down well, it'll make vats a luxury rather than something to depend on. Kind of like the RPG and Shooter elements mashing up.
This is one of the few things I want in the game, good gunplay. I'd say my wishlist is pretty short and easy:
-Actual good gunplay w/ VATS for superior accuracy.
-No level balancing. This also works towards balancing gunplay. Since gunplay should be proper it should be relatively easy to score a headshot on your own but if the enemy is 10 times higher than you then they won't even flinch.
-Mounts/Vehicles.
-A good main story.
-Competent Companion AI with dialogue and back stories and side quests. Just do what Obsidian did but even better.
-Weapon mods.
-Sprint button.
Extra Sauce
Member
Yeah been wishing for that as well but based on that trailer it looks like there will be no vehicles.
Savinowned
Member
I like these! The vehicles may be a little bit of a pipedream though. Part of me really wants them, but part of me also doesn't want Bethesda to step into it without going all in. Vehicles would completely change the feel of Fallout, and that change may not be what we all would love.
Sprint is a great point too though... Maybe involve AP into the sprint mechanics during combat?
There's a mod for PC that does just that, that is Sprinting consumes AP. It works great. Also, I wouldn't want vehicle combat, they'd only serve as means of transportation. And, would be things like a motorcycle or a light car.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
It would make sense. It's the date of the Great War. Also Skyrim came out on a Friday too.
Not sure if posted already ,but the FALLOUT 4 page is up on steam and you can preorder it now .
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377160/
http://store.steampowered.com/app/377160/
CarbonFire
Member
But then it wouldn't be a content theme park, and those are the types of games Bethesda likes to make.
I seem to recall some people whining about how empty New Vegas felt in places. A faster transportation vehicle would certainly make a more barren layout more viable, but it just doesn't jive with Bethesda's design philosophies.
Abusive_Red
Banned
Wonder if Bethesda went to visit their buddies at Machinegames to borrow some of Wolfenstein's FPS sauce.
Memory is a bit fuzzy on Fallout 2 but there was the Highwayman car that you could get to working condition and then travel around with it a lot faster right?
Yes. But FO2 also took place over the entirety of Norther Cali and Easter Nevada.
I feel like a vehicle would fundamentally change the feel of the game and possibly not for the best. We are supposed to be wanderers, walking the wasteland. A vehicle would disincentivize exploration as you'll just drive on by small locations on to your destination. Where as on foot you can't help but constantly stumble upon areas of the world, big and small.
A faster, but still rather slow moving means of transportation could work if the map is sufficiently large enough to warrant it. Like a motorbike or some kind of animal. But it also poses the issue of companions. The dog already looks to be a big part of this, so a side car on a bike could work, or just tailing us if we ride some kind of brahmin type creature, but what about human companions? Or a Super Mutant companion. That's more difficult. Would they pull a DAI and just have them disappear?
Blue Ninja
Member
I'm wondering, does that line appear in the game if you don't have the Wild Wasteland perk? Because I remember one of the key differences between the Fallout universe and ours being the absence of a nuclear winter effect.
Fushichou187
Member
such an angry little monkey.
Yes, incompetence is the reason why something you want in a game isn't there. /s
If vehicles served only as speed buffs for fast travel, then I could see them being implemented i.e. you wouldn't be actually driving/controlling them, it'd just mean you could FT between A -> B much faster which might help with time sensitive events/quests. As soon as you let the player control the vehicle however, then of course you'll have de facto vehicle combat because people will use them to run over enemies and other NPCs, which could unbalance things or seriously screw your game if you run over someone you shouldn't have. Maybe if the vehicle itself were easily damaged/destroyed-- and once it's gone you'll never be able to get it back again-- then that would cause people to be a lot more cautious in how they use it. It seems like personal vehicles (outside of some vertibirds) in the Fallout universe are extremely rare, so the idea that if by some chance you get your hands on one, you better take care of it because there isn't a replacement.
As much as I really like Wolfenstein, Fallout isn't a shooter. Fallout uses your skill builds to determine % Chance to Hit/Unlock/etc... which flies in the face of what you're playing when you fire up Wolf, Destiny, CoD, etc... i.e. "i see the thing, I shoot the thing, I hit the thing". I haven't heard from anyone here, or in the other threads, about what a solution might be to "tighten up gunplay" while still acknowledging that in all likelihood VATS isn't going anywhere and that you are still dealing with "% Chance to Hit Enemy" mechanic when it comes to combat. How would you (or anyone else here clamouring for a tighter FPS experience) go about that? serious question.
Plus you could also shoot the weapon they were holding to make it practically useless to them. Shooting granades in VATS was particularly fun. VATS is legit.
Yeah people who want VATS out should never have a say in making Fallout decisions.
I feel the same way. I don't want it removed.
VATS needs to be buffed up even more. Greater incentives to use it, and not just shooting for the head, as well as a greater need to use it to shoot enemy arms and weapons and legs to disable them and take the pressure off you.
I would love to get even more VATS options beyond just arms, legs, torso, head, weapon. Bring back Eyes, Groin and maybe other stuff.
I would love to get even more VATS options beyond just arms, legs, torso, head, weapon. Bring back Eyes, Groin and maybe other stuff.
Abusive_Red
Banned
If there is first person mode and there are guns, people are going to want some solid FPS shootings mechanics. I think just like F3 VATS could be used to slow things down to game out and engage multiple targets or improve your %'s for headshots etc, while still allowing for less clunky FPS mechanics if you want to just run around and blast stuff. VATS kills could be the only way to get the slow-motion killshot animations or make sure you get the critical hits on certain enemies when you're low on ammo or something. I'm sure they could come up with incentives and other reasons to use it. I imagine busting into a room full of enemies, VATS to get a handle on the situation and set up and engage my first few targets, then back to real time for some cleanup. I dunno, you're right I haven't thought it through too much but I think could be glorious with both.
Fushichou187
Member
I think it's an expectation thing, to be honest. FO3 and NV (and 4) are played from a first-person perspective. You have weapons at your disposal to use against enemies. A lot of people look at that and expect it to behave like other games that look similar to those that they are used to. The disparity comes from the fact that those other games that look like that are shooters; the gunplay is one of-- if not the-- core mechanic there. Fallout subverts that expectation by implementing VATS. So people come in thinking "Oh, I know how these things should work" and then it doesn't pan out the way they expect, and so they become dismissive. And because their expectation for how it they feel it ought to play didn't come to fruition, the product itself must be at fault. Not their assumptions.
CharmingCharlie
Member
It isn't like the vehicle would be available to you straight away. Perhaps have a vehicle quest half way through the game which allows you to speed up travel between locations. I mean lets face it by the half way point most are using the "quick travel" teleporting option by then.
My idea for a vehicle would be one that is a half way house between trekking to every location over and over again and using the quick travel system (which I detest but understand why it is there).
I am doubtful there will be transportation in the game, which is a disappointment for me. If done correctly it could enhance the game and be a lot of fun.
I gotta say that I appreciate the VATS system as an option for others and I'd never want them to just remove it.
However, I don't think that VATS or the fact that Fallout isn't from shooter roots should aid the game away from playing like a solid modern day shooter for those who opt out of using the system. I think there's a lot of people who prefer playing the game like an open world FPS.
However, I don't think that VATS or the fact that Fallout isn't from shooter roots should aid the game away from playing like a solid modern day shooter for those who opt out of using the system. I think there's a lot of people who prefer playing the game like an open world FPS.
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
Fallout shouldn't have modern shooter mechanics. It's an RPG. Your accuracy and weapon damaged shouldn't be solely determined by your aim, rather by your Gun skill as it is now.
Understandable, though it's hard to gauge half way point in a Bethesda game. Depending how you play that could be something you see within the first few hours or something you see after 100 hours of playtime. So balancing that isn't easy.
I would personally prefer a Witcher type fast travel system that only transports you to specific locations around the world. It's convenient but not too mindless and you can easily come up with an in world justification like they had in Skyrim with the coaches.
I noted this multiple times in the announcement thread but it got ignored. I think this game will be something else in terms of how the world will react to you.
I quote myself here from the other thread:
There are much more mentions of a simulations feature. What if the world is fully simulated in a way we haven't seen it before?
I quote myself here from the other thread:
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<div class="more-simulations-buttons">
{{#if ios-url}}
<a href="{{ios-url}}" class="standard-btn standard-btn-dark ios-download-btn download-button more-simulations-btn"><span class="download-btn-icon apple-icon-sm icon"></span><span class="download-btn-text">iOS</span></a>
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{{#if android-url}}
<a href="{{android-url}}" class="standard-btn standard-btn-dark android-download-btn download-button more-simulations-btn"><span class="download-btn-icon android-icon-sm icon"></span><span class="download-btn-text">Android</span></a>There are much more mentions of a simulations feature. What if the world is fully simulated in a way we haven't seen it before?
This. I loved the iron sights in NV and they should return. The overall accuracy should still be based on the relative weapon skill though. I still wish it was more accurate from the get go but there are other factors and critical hits to consider also. Should shoot straighter and have damage the main factor of the skill level.
I think a good way to implement a vehicle would be if you could slowly assemble a motorcycle in your garage over time so that way you could get plenty of on foot exploration in and when you finally do finish the bike it would be a satisfying reward.
Fata1moose
Banned
I'm really thinking that we won't have to load into interior cells such as houses or Diamond City anymore. In the trailer, the dog walks into the house that's lacking a door, you can also see through the windows. In previous Bethesda games, the windows weren't transparent, or they were boarded up and you couldn't see what was happening outside. Of course, it could be that this particular house is just open, but no doubt they want to hint about what the game is like. The garage at the end was the same, open to the rest of the world and this is seemingly a player home.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I know it's a pipedream and probably for the best not to have it, but I wish it did have co-op. Maybe up to like 4 people.
That could work pretty well if the parts are all over the map so you'd effectively see most of the world before hand.
Still don't know how they'd solve the companion problem though. You'd need a car for that, but a motorbike would be so much more wastelandy.
DOWN
Banned
T-How already said current gen has allowed them to stream interiors before the player gets to them now instead of being closed behind loading screens http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=832555
So...I was thinking, considering that we simply continue to get people posting the Reddit BS every page or so, could we please do something like add this article to the OP?
Just so people hopefully don't continue to spread a mitigated and possibly extensively exaggerated rumor, rather than the actual source casting documents which state that they were looking for both male and female player voice actors?
Just so people hopefully don't continue to spread a mitigated and possibly extensively exaggerated rumor, rather than the actual source casting documents which state that they were looking for both male and female player voice actors?
Tal Shiar Agent
Member
That stupid ass leak has been debunked.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/com...loyee_leaker_from_last_year/crudyu3?context=3
Edit: Didn't click that link first. Yeah, that article covers it.
http://www.reddit.com/r/Fallout/com...loyee_leaker_from_last_year/crudyu3?context=3
Edit: Didn't click that link first. Yeah, that article covers it.
Fushichou187
Member
I totally agree that the expectation and preference is there. But is it Bethesda's fault for not making Fallout more like an open-world shooter, or the consumers fault for projecting their expectations and demanding Fallout be something that it isn't-- or rather hasn't been-- in the past?
You're right, VATS was wonderful for crowd control and laying out a plan of attack when you were severely outgunned. As someone else mentioned, it also allowed for quick thinking actions like shooting a grenade mid-air, that would likely have been extremely difficult if that solely relied on the players reflexes. That kind of illustrates a good point though; If I pump a bunch of points into say, "Handguns" and "Marksmanship", then I ought to reasonably assume my character can shoot that dumb grenade out of the sky before it gets to me. But if all of that is playing out like an FPS-- in real time-- then it comes down to my own real-world reflexes and aiming, and makes the skills I've chosen seem useless. VATS gives weight and substance to a lot how we choose to evolve our character, something that I don't know is easily replicated (or compensated) with better gunplay.
This is a great idea and sits well with Fallout's universe of resources being scarce. I would be down for that.
Well these seem to be pointing to a companion app for smart devices, which I'm totally in for if it enhances the experience (but is not required to enjoy all the game's content).
Fata1moose
Banned
It still wasn't a surefire thing that was going to happen, especially since some of the 8 GB of RAM is allocated to the OS of the consoles.