Smushroomed
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Laughing at all the people that think Kojima is some god and doesn't deserve to have a budget like everything else on this planet. Get real.
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Kojima was too expensive apparently
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Love Deterrence
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If they wanted a budget game, why not let him work on ZOEIII, tho.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I wouldn't even say that it's the best looking cross gen game(outside of cutscenes at least). And no it's not the first next gen game. There've been other games that've come out where the gameplay and world very clearly couldn't be handled on last gen consoles even if they were to simply reduce the super detailed graphics to a level comparable to last gen.
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
TheBoss1
Member
For example?
I'm calling bull on this one. You are constantly downplaying MGSV despite this remarkable feat that I have seen no other dev accomplish to this date (1080P, 60 FPS, OPEN WORLD!). All those games you think look better don't even have all 3 elements and aren't WAY better looking despite scaling back performance for eye candy, like Assassins Creed.
StrongBlackVine
Banned
I'm sitting here thinking I'm in a bizzaro world where someone think Assassin's Creed games are very well designed and Kojima is overrated.
crazygambit
Member
I don't know. He's a big enough name that it could actually happen. Imagine how big a scoop it would be for Sony or MS to fund his next game for example. A exclusive like that nowadays would be huge. And since he apparently likes a fixed salary instead of profit participation, making an exclusive deal should not be a problem for him.
TheBoss1
Member
Screaming Meat
Unconfirmed Member
Is it a place where World of Goo is considered a profound meditation on capitalism and Metal Gear Solid 2 is at most a "popcorn flick"? I think we must be stuck in the same place.
Love Deterrence
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Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
ITT
eople trying to do some revisionist history painting me as some kind of Kojima and metal gear hater.Also, what in the world? metal gear solid is not the first to be 1080p, 60fps, or open world.
Please find the post in this thread where I state that kojima is overrated. I'll wait.
So which cross-gen game looks better in your opinion?
btw. cutscenes graphics = gameplay graphics
It's all real time and seamless transition between cutscenes and gameplay.
TheBoss1
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ITT
Also, what in the world? metal gear solid is not the first to be 1080p, 60fps, or open world.
Of course not. Metal Gear Solid V is the first to be 1080P, 60 FPS, AND open world on console.
Liquidsnake
Banned
One day we will all know the truth, but I am pretty shocked how tight lipped everyone has been. Something huge happened. I dont know what.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Over the past year i've seen you reiterate the bolded as if it's the first game to ever do that, in fact, it's not even the first metal gear game to do that.
Because they used next gen consoles for a framerate boost and resolution boost instead of a huge "best of the industry" style graphics like with other next gen open world games are accomplishing at the cost of the framerate. If it was a next gen only game, with scaled up graphics, the same world(s), and 60fps I'd be incredibly impressed by that compared to say the world of the W3, (those wheat fields).
Agreed.
Japan quitting big screen videogames might have been the drop that slew the camel's back. If MGS games don't sell enough to justify their cost, then:
The line between trolling and genius is hazy and hard to see.
Shit. Did I just call myself a genius? There goes my reputation for modesty...
I do not want MGS games without Kojima directing. That is ludicrous. You might as well have a Zelda or Mario game without Miyamoto directing!
I know. You may have a point...
That's right. And are they stepping up to me? Nope. Cuz they're beeeeet-shizz. Hundreds losing their jobs at 2015 Konami could be stressful in the short term, but maybe it's a good thing long term. Like police officers losing their jobs because of disappearing crime!
Thanks Scrooge! I always knew you were a duck a man can count on!
Take a wild guess
Why are you doing this, bro? Why? How do you after 3 decades of breaking his back sweating blood and trying to give us GOTY after GOTY of gameplay and presentation, Hideo Kojima-san came to GAF and read your comment?
Huh? You owe him so much yet you side with his enemy, who fired him because he wanted to make a good game for YOU! YOU johndoey!
You should be in tears right now, asking Hideo for forgiveness.
TheBoss1
Member
I never said it is and i'm still waiting for your answer.
Better get in line lol
Crossing Eden just admit that you like to shit on the game for no real reason.
When you said MGSV is not the best looking cross-gen game you didn't had anything in mind and just said it's not. Now you google your ass off and try to find a cross-gen game that looks even remotely as good as MGSV does.
That's why i said on page 3 the thread title is terrible and Jindrax should feel bad for it.
When you said MGSV is not the best looking cross-gen game you didn't had anything in mind and just said it's not. Now you google your ass off and try to find a cross-gen game that looks even remotely as good as MGSV does.
That's why i said on page 3 the thread title is terrible and Jindrax should feel bad for it.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
No but you used pretended to, I recall you being very adamant about "confirming" that ACU didn't have realtime cutscenes for instance. At one point even claiming that ACU didn't have seamless transitions from cutscenes to gameplay, (you know besides that being a thing since the first game.)I never said it is and i'm still waiting for your answer.
Btw.
Alien Isolation
Far Cry 4
Granted Metal gear has better facial animation than both.
and from what little we've seen of it, ROTR.
Not sure that counts tho as the last gen version, like SOM iirc, is being made by a different developer.
EDIT:Just saw your last post, it's very easy to find good looking screenshots of both, I have a pet, and a family, impressing you isn't exactly my highest priority. "Like to shit on the game for no reason." Oh my lord.
As always agree to disagree, comparing a game like Alien: Isolation to MGSV is just ridiculous.
Also this guy is a PC gamer and can't stop praising how good the game looks on PS4. He knows what he's talking about since he was at the preview event and got to play the game for 16 or so hours.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZ9GlFXb3s#t=2m23s
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Anyway...
Someone please put this in the OP.
Clarification of Rika Muranaka's Kojima/Konami Statement
Sir Ilpalazzo
Member
Yeah, Kojima is really known for pursuing rock-solid framerates.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Hence why I also used Far Cry 4 as an example, you never said anything about them not being open world games. And because he's a pc gamer his opinion takes prevalence over mine or the general gaming populace? I mean, which aspect looks better? Do the textures look better than many next gen only games? No. Do the characters models? Definitely no. Do the rain effects look better than say Arkham Knight? Foliage, no. etc etc. Other games have vast environments, in full HD, with different weather and terrain. Claiming it's the best looking console game ever is pretty ridiculous.
SinShep
Member
Shadow of Mordor got its entire Nemesis System stripped from the last-gen version, which was the game's main USP.
In the past, not really. But recently, he's made a few comments on it and how he important he feels it is.
Way to put words in his mouth.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I actually did misread part of the post, which is my bad.
Yes and i even disagree to FC4, don't get me wrong the game looks great but overall MGSV looks better.
No, his opinion takes prevalence because he actually played the fucking game unlike you.
Oh so suddenly we're talking about next-gen only games? well ok, even there i can answer most questions you asked with a yes.
But what really makes MGSV so good looking is the lighting, seriously it's probably the best i've ever seen in any game. The only game i can think of that is similar is The Order 1886 but all the other games like UC4 or Witcher 3 look just too game-ish while MGSV aims for photorealism. Before everyone jumps on my throat that doesn't mean the other games look bad i just prefer the look of the Fox Engine.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
We have enough HD footage of the game to get a good idea of what the game looks like, and no, you're being completely disengenous by saying yes to any of those questions, it's been well established and discussed that the models in the game have areas that look low poly compared to models from next gen only games like say Batman or Poison Ivy, Arno or Elise, and Geralt or Yennefer, the biggest difference being the hair rendering. Come on now. I mean sure when the game was first revealed it was mindblowing but games have pushed way past that.
I don't think so, previewers said all the footage out there won't do this game justice, you gotta play it for yourself to see how amazing MGSV looks.
I give you that, the hair looks better in some other games but overall package i think MGSV takes the cake.
But let's just drop this here man, this isn't the right place to discuss this.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
While videos don't do it justice we also have direct feed screenshots, but ok let's drop it.
When he is part of the reason your company is where it is today, I would think he is worth the price. Konami should have looked at the sales numbers and seen which developers and their respective projects have been producing low sales and let them go instead to compensate for Kojima's pay.
Well watching Yongs vid on this. All of this is pretty much a non factor. It was just people discussing possibilities and throwing out theories.
Then the gaming media took a reddit post that paraphrased everything and ran with it.
This is why the gaming media wont ever get taken seriously. You can't just report rumor as fact and you most certainly can't take a reddit post or a post from here and make an article about it.
Then the gaming media took a reddit post that paraphrased everything and ran with it.
This is why the gaming media wont ever get taken seriously. You can't just report rumor as fact and you most certainly can't take a reddit post or a post from here and make an article about it.
But Konami doesn't make only games. They are known for other things, I think Fitness is one of them and slot machines. Also we don't know what MGSV has cost them. Kojima didn't seem to care because he's not writing the checks. I'm honestly glad this whole thing didn't happen before the game was finished.
OMG this. The gaming reports every little rumor just for the clicks. How do they expect to ever be considered as journalists when they treat every story like TMZ.
Love Deterrence
Member
Figured this was the case.
Gaming wise Kojima was their biggest cash cow.
But all that happened before the game was done.
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/kojima-expected-to-leave-konami-after-mgs5-inside-/1100-6426024/
So we can thank Kojima for keeping his team together and still work and finish the game after all this happened. Every day at work must have been hell for them, i'm sure many people will lose their job after the project is finished... working under those conditions... i can't even imagine.
I have nothing but immense respect for Kojima and his team and can't thank them enough for what they have done.
Here's to you, Kojima Productions.
This is a surprisingly loaded statement. They merged several of their teams to form KojiPro. Same month KojiPro was formed, was the same month Team Silent Hill went. They ended up creating a 2nd studio for him in LA. Their entire department downside, except for KojiPro which kept growing. All along MGS sales haven't been increasing, while the cost to make them and time it takes only gets longer.
Yeah. I hate to play devil's advocate, but has any creator gotten the treatment that Kojima has from Konami? His name was everywhere, Kojima Productions, Studios, on the game box (all deservedly so). But very few people have been treated as well as Kojima has been treated. It's a shame it ended. He became the Spielberg of games.
Pro from Dover
Member
I read that Kojima's salary (as VP?) was to be paid to use money he didn't care about.
Satire aside though...
I'd rather have a better videogame than a company making more money.
No offense but your Avatar and Name might present a teensy bit of a bias
You really don't understand how business works do you?
TheSpoonyBard
Neo Member
Thing is, it's a company's duty to make as much money as possible. Whether that means limiting a budget so as to get a higher return when a game releases or giving someone like Kojima a larger budget with the hope that improved quality means better sales is a separate issue.
Yes, we can argue that Kojima should have been given tons more money or been forced to be less wasteful with it or whatever, but ultimately, there's someone who signs the paychecks and he's looking purely at the cash. It's true for movies, music, books, theme parks etc, so it's no surprise that it's also true for videogames.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Raitosaito
Member
If this isn't moving the goal post idk what is....
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Scrooge McDuck
Member
Bigger budget doesn't automatically means a better game for the fans. Kiefer Sutherland is much more expensive compared to David Hayter. I thought people hate that decision?
Love Deterrence
Member
Haha! 😅 A YouTuber who has a boatload of MGSV content - he generally just spreads information that is shared officially or through translated interviews and tries to put it into context with what has been shown of the game, but he also hosts interviews with many of the cast members from the series (past and present), so that's pretty cool! (David Hayter interview was awesome!!) He also does his own analysis videos, which are pretty extensive! Most of the MGS Community here can't seem to stand him, but I like his channel!