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Danganronpa Mafia |OT| Grin and Bear It

As I'll be driving when the appropriate time comes up, I will just say it now.

I'm not switching my vote. I'm not ride or die with crab, I don't want anyone to think that, but I do think that his potential in the game is better for hope's game.

As someone said before, he represents a higher risk higher reward, because we only learn alignment with kgtrep' death (as opposed to crab's death which tells us alignment and role).

Tomorrow should be interesting. This whole day has felt like the last few hours of a standard day.

Let's not do this again, but it's been a very interesting day

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not asking the bolded people to clarify why they are voting for Crab. I'm simply talking out loud. Kgtrep has the majority of the votes, and I imagine at least several of those votes are from Despair. Kgtrep has the majority. There has been sufficient reasoning posted on both sides such that any vote could be justified. Hell, even Crab initially voted for himself and said it might be a better Town move. Yet if we assume the majority of Despair votes are on Kgtrep, why? Do they find Crab more valuable? I could have bolded anyone tbqh.
 
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Deleted member 231381

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I doubt that mafia will be voting as a unified group. It's rather dangerous to do so. I think they're probably spread out roughly evenly. I don't think they mind very much who wins - we're both Hope and they can kill the other one later anyway - so they'll just do whatever draws the least attention. At the moment, voting for kgtrep doesn't seem to raise an eyebrow from anyone, so it is a safer place to hide. Voting for me gets you challenged. Unfortunately, I think that partly has to do with kgtrep's absence so close to the deadline.
 

Ty4on

Member
Actually looking at the voting, I am going to post some thoughts.
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People in bold are ones I suspect of being Despair. If they are Despair, why are they voting for kgtrep and not Crab? Does Despair find keeping Crab the better option? Why? It seems like it would be fairly easy for them to use this chance to get rid of Crab since they can just say "kgtrep convinced me".

Oh don't get me wrong. I'm not asking the bolded people to clarify why they are voting for Crab. I'm simply talking out loud. Kgtrep has the majority of the votes, and I imagine at least several of those votes are from Despair. Kgtrep has the majority. There has been sufficient reasoning posted on both sides such that any vote could be justified. Hell, even Crab initially voted for himself and said it might be a better Town move. Yet if we assume the majority of Despair votes are on Kgtrep, why? Do they find Crab more valuable? I could have bolded anyone tbqh.
That's why I found this a little suspicious:
Ugh now I'm thinking about switching my vote. If crab is hope, he can't be around for LyLo or we're going to lose for sure
I think Crab would be great at finding scum especially if we get some more data.
Thanks

Can the people who haven't voted state their intended vote please? I know a couple of you have already, but I want to get a sense of where we're at
Why do you want to know? If you don't want Crab to live you could just vote for him.
I want crab to live today, I am looking to see who is going to be the vote leader because it's close. I don't want a tie.

A very weak reason Crab to be lynched which was ignored 2 hour later.

Czar is hard to read, but doesn't seem very hope to me. Nothing sticks much out the other way either though.
 
AbsolutBro

First thing: there's a lot of fluff here. He even makes a joke of voting kingkitty for rather weak reasoning in #455, for "role-fishing". There's a lot of vagueries in subsequent posts, and the kingkitty vote is retracted real easily. We get substantive material by #1042 (right at the end of D1), in which he follows my "mafia probably won't be in the wagons" logic to look at the key wagon avoiders, leading him to SalvaPot, kgtrep, and Barrylocke... and then cops out of actually making an opinion on any of them. Gee, useful post.

In #1104, we get a push on Makai for his bad roleclaim. There are three reasons given: a) Makai's roleclaim might prompt a bunch of town PRs to unvote quickly because their role PM might be similar to Makai's description so they back off. I mean, okay, I guess, maybe, but essentially every single person who had voted Makai had already backed off at that stage and it seems implausible that they could all be PRs, b) he didn't see why Makai had to claim at all (I agree with this), and c) he found Makoto Naegi too much of a coincidence. I have no comment on this except to say it's a flavour issue, I think there are stronger points to make.

I personally am deeply suspicious of Makai, for reasons I'll go on to later, but I will say that AbsolutBro's target of him seemed poorly put and a little strange - something that was called out by Ty4on for very similar reasons.

#1439 is supposed to be a mega-post, but is really mega-nothing. It basically runs "tl;dr lol georgebush.gif" to kgtrep, which doesn't help anyone, says myself and kgtrep are probably Hope with little explanation as to why he thinks that, and continues to avoid commenting on many other players. He finishes with various questions about why franconp might have died, but doesn't answer them himself. I'm also wary of people who only discuss nightkills because, if they're Despair, it's key WIFOM territory.

There's then more fluff/nothing posts until #1737. Here, he pushes on CornBurrito, because CornBurrito bandwagoned - this is actually quite fair in light of D2, where CornBurrito changed his vote often, usually into following an already started vote. I'm dubious this is a scumtell, but at the very least I can see why others might find it do. However, his second part is to say Corn is suspicious because franconp died and Corn pushed on him - this is exactly the sort of situation a Despair player can engineer by killing someone who was pushed on prominently and then going after their pusher. It also doesn't stack up - supposing Corn was Despair, why would he bother to kill someone at night he might be able to get traction on during day?

Lots of the rest of this post then just becomes observations of what people have actually done, rather than a discussion of whether what people have done actually means anything. The only interesting observation is to note that Makai might be the locus for Despair watchers trying to catch town protective roles. Otherwise, it boils down to "everyone might be Despair" which is useless because for town to act they need to know which people might be Despair more than others - to put it another way round, if everyone is Despair, nobody is.

In #1804 we find out he's voting for me (or at least, he more clearly says so than earlier), and the reasoning is terrible. It essentially boils down to "everyone is talking about Crab, so we need to kill him so people will stop talking". a) having everyone talking about a person is good, as long as they talk about all the other people too, b) it's your (not necessarily directed at AbsolutBro, but at all of town) job to make sure you talk about other people, not mine (although I'll have a go anyway), and c) you can prompt people to make sure they do talk about other stuff. Plus I guess d) if people only ever focus on one person ignoring all other happenings they're either bad players or scum so just lynch them. Lynching the tunnellee instead of the tunneller is just bizarro-land logic.

Verdict: I think it is probable AbsolutBro is Despair. Fluff, absence of content, non-committal posts, studied bandwagon avoidance, weak logic chains, largely non-confrontational, it's all classic scum play.​
Fair enough for most, some comments:

1. Re: Tunnellee vs tunneller: were there only one tunneller your logic would be sound. If you survive today, and kgtrep is Hope (as many of us suspect he is), do you think the others who have been tunneling you will suddenly stop? Or, like me, do you think that the arguments will continue tomorrow? And the next day?

2. Re: Discusssing night kills: It was as good a topic as any for trying to move today's discussion away from the back-and-forth of you vs. kgtrep.

3. Re: 1439. "Possible". You're right, in the end it was a whole lot of nothing. I fully admit it and agree.

4. Re: "You're all Despair". It was a thought exercise. I even said as much. Trying to look objectively at even the people I'm reasonably certain are Hope to see if there is scummy behaviour that I'm blinding myself to. Are there a lot of "not much" descriptions? Of course there are, we are on D freakin 2. It's worth reading deeper.

I'm going to go prep dinner. I know the day ends in an hour, I'll be watching on my phone. Until then, I at least can't be accused of not keeping my word.

Vote: Crab
 

Ty4on

Member
I haven't been indecisive, but I didn't want this day to end early and wanted to build up a case against kgtrep first.

VOTE: kgtrep
 
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Another vote for kgtrep will end the day. I don't want that to happen yet. Please don't vote for him in case he arrives and has something to say.
 
That's why I found this a little suspicious:


A very weak reason Crab to be lynched which was ignored 2 hour later.

Czar is hard to read, but doesn't seem very hope to me. Nothing sticks much out the other way either though.

Err uh... I think Czar was joking...
 
Prior to Day 2's ending / Night 2's beginning, I wish to put out a few items for consideration.

Having unconfirmed my role, these are the thoughts that cross my mind, which you may interpret as you wish, but I will not confirm or discuss these suggestions. I made them in the hope that they will yield beneficial outcomes for Hope in the days to come.

  • If I was a Switcher: I would switch the occupants of two out of the four rooms on the upper right corner tonight
  • If I was a Blocker: I would block CzarTim tonight
  • If I was a Tracker/Watcher: I would watch Makai tonight
  • If I was a Cop: I would investigate Kalor tonight
  • If I was a Doctor: I would protect Crab or AbsolutBro tonight
  • If I was a Vigilante: I would kill one of the quiet ones

Obviously, it is not possible that one person holds all of these abilities, therefore if any of Hope PRs are reading this, please consider these suggestions for Night 2.

D2 has not been the most uplifting session for our game, but I urge you all to remember that the game is yet young and there remain unforeseen opportunities on the coming days. Remember, win or lose, we have all been a part of a very interesting game experience.

Hope, have courage and lets lynch some Despair.
 

CzarTim

Member
Prior to Day 2's ending / Night 2's beginning, I wish to put out a few items for consideration.

Having unconfirmed my role, these are the thoughts that cross my mind, which you may interpret as you wish, but I will not confirm or discuss these suggestions. I made them in the hope that they will yield beneficial outcomes for Hope in the days to come.

  • If I was a Switcher: I would switch the occupants of two out of the four rooms on the upper right corner tonight
  • If I was a Blocker: I would block CzarTim tonight
  • If I was a Tracker/Watcher: I would watch Makai tonight
  • If I was a Cop: I would investigate Kalor tonight
  • If I was a Doctor: I would protect Crab or AbsolutBro tonight
  • If I was a Vigilante: I would kill one of the quiet ones

Obviously, it is not possible that one person holds all of these abilities, therefore if any of Hope PRs are reading this, please consider these suggestions for Night 2.

D2 has not been the most uplifting session for our game, but I urge you all to remember that the game is yet young and there remain unforeseen opportunities on the coming days. Remember, win or lose, we have all been a part of a very interesting game experience.

Hope, have courage and lets lynch some Despair.
Planning ahead powers only helps mafia
 

Kalor

Member
Prior to Day 2's ending / Night 2's beginning, I wish to put out a few items for consideration.

Having unconfirmed my role, these are the thoughts that cross my mind, which you may interpret as you wish, but I will not confirm or discuss these suggestions. I made them in the hope that they will yield beneficial outcomes for Hope in the days to come.

  • If I was a Switcher: I would switch the occupants of two out of the four rooms on the upper right corner tonight
  • If I was a Blocker: I would block CzarTim tonight
  • If I was a Tracker/Watcher: I would watch Makai tonight
  • If I was a Cop: I would investigate Kalor tonight
  • If I was a Doctor: I would protect Crab or AbsolutBro tonight
  • If I was a Vigilante: I would kill one of the quiet ones

Obviously, it is not possible that one person holds all of these abilities, therefore if any of Hope PRs are reading this, please consider these suggestions for Night 2.

D2 has not been the most uplifting session for our game, but I urge you all to remember that the game is yet young and there remain unforeseen opportunities on the coming days. Remember, win or lose, we have all been a part of a very interesting game experience.

Hope, have courage and lets lynch some Despair.

Thats actually a neat way of recommending what role should do what without giving Despair targets. I agree with your choice of people for each role though the vigilante advice could go poorly.
 
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Pretty messed up we let crab off the hook when he's clearly scum. No way he'll get lynched now

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Pretty messed up we let crab off the hook when he's clearly scum. No way he'll get lynched now

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.
 

CzarTim

Member
What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo.

ad hominem

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ad hominem

;)

I saw CzarTim at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.

He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”

I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.

The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.

When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
 

ViviOggi

Member
Any particular reason you stopped with those megaposts, Crab? You've still kept posting normally after all.

Went over the last pages and kgtrep's scenes again, which contain some good points but overall aren't as solid as they appeared to me at first. What I know is that I don't want a tie and give Despair/Neutral PRs free reign tonight (the score being 7:9 at the time of posting), and that I don't want to end the day early without giving kgtrep a last chance to talk again. So it seems my only option is to hold my vote.

I'll say that while I'm still thirsty for his flip I honestly don't want to lose this Crab just yet. Let's hope he doesn't make me regret it.
 
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okay, I don't think kgtrep is turning up, I desperately want to sleep, and I don't have the energy to babysit my votes to the deadline.

VOTE: kgtrep

let's go
 

Terrabyte20xx

Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
So, who want's to start a last minute bandwagon? I'll even lay down the law first!

[High]VOTE: LaunchpadMcQ[light]

Ll you post are lists of people but never give reads! What kind of fluff is that?!! I'M ON TO YOU BEAR!
 
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Deleted member 231381

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Any particular reason you stopped with those megaposts, Crab? You've still kept posting normally after all.

no special reason, i'll probably continue tomorrow, but they take a lot of time
 
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Deleted member 231381

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in the event i die, it doesnt matter too much anyway, the basic format is something other people can and should do. they're not important insofar as they're right but insofar as you can discuss them.
 

ViviOggi

Member
This power though... goddammit Launch. I guess kgtrep shouldn't have blown it this early but I can't blame him too much either, given the climate towards the end of D1 I can see his logic in picking this duel.

no special reason, i'll probably continue tomorrow, but they take a lot of time

Please do if you find it (and live)
 
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