Are you out of your mind? Do you not understand what NEUTRAL means? He isn't on our side. Why would he do anything you want? Why can we trust someone with alternate win conditions? Why would he not flake out of the mission with one minute left, and Yolo his gun kill onto some random off-mission person?
You are making so many decisions on behalf of Topo it is surreal and condemning.
johnnyquickknives wasn't on the rebel side either but proved instrumental in lynching oceanicair.
This incessant need to lynch El Topo when
HE. CAME. TO. US.
is what is truly frightening. You were not willing to vote for someone until the day went on, but now that there is a very real threat that El Topo might be on the mission tonight, you have freaked out.
And EzekelRAGE. I actually believed you were on our side. I just wanted to get everyone to trust you, including myself, because a bulletproof claim is fucking bananas. It is as bad as vengeful or doctor. So along comes the perfect storm on Day 3: a killer who is not KGB. A perfect way to verify your claim. And you FLIP. You attack my credibility and you vote for El Topo. Palmer chimes in that El Topo is the obvious choice despite not explaining why. Darryl follows your vote, having contributed nothing but vulgarity.
I am actually shocked because I never thought you would be so against what was a zero risk plan for ISIS. But now I can see the truth.I can see clearly now.
Keep shouting over and over again that I am playing "scummy". It is obviously a concerted effort and you have already revealed your true intentions.
Are you out of your mind? Do you not understand what NEUTRAL means? He isn't on our side. Why would he do anything you want? Why can we trust someone with alternate win conditions? Why would he not flake out of the mission with one minute left, and Yolo his gun kill onto some random off-mission person?
You are making so many decisions on behalf of Topo it is surreal and condemning.
If we believe his role claim, then his enemy is the Cyborg.... which is KGB... which will make his role sort-of-kind-of pro-Agency.
Neutral players have objectives that align them somewhat with Town or Mafia right? PALMER MADE ME LEARNED THAT THE HARD WAY >___<
But, having said that! Topo blew his cover with tears and weeping and I dont think he's playing well to the strength of the cards given to him so................ LYNCH LYNCH LYNCH
I don't think he can. If he is on the mission and he decides not to kill Ezekel, and he's forced to kill like SKs typically are, then someone else on the mission gets fucked.
I made the decision to vote El Topo out myself. I'm not following Palmer. Each post you make is riddled with trying to craft narratives out of very little info. Putting words into my mouth near constantly. It isn't helping anyone. Cease & desist plz
I dont think you are playing scummy <3 When I came in the middle of SW, too, I had such notions of who the baddies were and I had so much energy~ :>
... then I jumped into the pool and NO ONE WAS LISTENING TO MY GENIUS. The fools!
But you gotta work with the townies on these things. If you persist too hard, they dun wanna give u noms. For whats it worth, I like your drive, but looks like NO BITE for your theory for now.
Here, for the time being, I've found another thing that El Topo seems to have been slimy about:
But later, as we have all witnessed.... Getting him to say who his suss list was OR to vote was.... like pulling a completely healthy tooth from an unwilling mouth :<
I had to keep prodding him repetitiously until he was cornered (like a whimpering minor henchman that doesnt even get named in the end credits) and he FINALLY voted for squidyj, here (p#1658) -
What? I'm sorry, I have defended myself thoroughly against Palmer (and cabbeh), neither of which has even attempted to defend their bullshit accusations, but now I'm the bad guy because I refuse to put up with their schtick? Because of stuff like that posting little is the best strategy.
If I'm not mistaken, he only gave a clue he had a power because he was close ot the chopping block on Day 2.
With that post and the fact that I voted for cj day one (due to him postin fluff or something like that) I'm changing my vote to Kriss. All I see is deflection from accusations of scum and obsessed with me proving my BP. He cares nothing for my alignment, only for the fact that can I survive? He can throw accusations/theories but doesn't want to answer when theories are thrown at him.
I have addressed this. If you are bulletproof KGB, you will try to be anti-town in the future and we will catch you for that. It's not a waste because no one wants El Topo to shoot some random fucker at night. People are ready to lynch him, for Christ's sake! Just look at Darryl seething over there in there corner.
- Doesn't want to risk ET being lynched even though he has admitted being 3rd party
- With the bolded, he claims that I will show signs of anti town at some point, so makes his theory even less needed.
- In another quote he mentioned even if there was a scenario where I died "least I will know if he was bp or not"
All I see is deflection from accusations of scum and obsessed with me proving my BP. He cares nothing for my alignment, only for the fact that can I survive? He can throw accusations/theories but doesn't want to answer when theories are thrown at him.
I thought I answered most of them. I will answer every question you ask me if you reiterate. But in general, I am worried about your alignment. But I am not a cop. I am just an ordinary drone. And the easiest way to tell scum from friend is through their honesty. Liars are almost always scum. Killing liars is perhaps one of the best policies you can have.
- Doesn't want to risk ET being lynched even though he has admitted being 3rd party
- With the bolded, he claims that I will show signs of anti town at some point, so makes his theory even less needed.
- In another quote he mentioned even if there was a scenario where I died "least I will know if he was bp or not"
- This makes me scum? I want to lynch him after he ceases to be useful to us.
- But if you are not bulletproof, I don't need to wait for the future, either.
- There are quote codes. Use them, so that you don't spread libel. I do not know which QUOTE you are talking about, but if you die, it's because you are scum.
I dont think you are playing scummy <3 When I came in the middle of SW, too, I had such notions of who the baddies were and I had so much energy~ :>
... then I jumped into the pool and NO ONE WAS LISTENING TO MY GENIUS. The fools!
But you gotta work with the townies on these things. If you persist too hard, they dun wanna give u noms. For whats it worth, I like your drive, but looks like NO BITE for your theory for now.
Here, for the time being, I've found another thing that El Topo seems to have been slimy about:
First we have Topo's CREED OF WISDOM, here -
But later, as we have all witnessed.... Getting him to say who his suss list was OR to vote was.... like pulling a completely healthy tooth from an unwilling mouth :<
I had to keep prodding him repetitiously until he was cornered (like a whimpering minor henchman that doesnt even get named in the end credits) and he FINALLY voted for squidyj, here (p#1658) -
So I'm not sure what's the time of that post, but it was posted on page 34, while Day 2 started at page 23 (50 ppp ftw!)
Which means, he voted almost at the end of the Day phase! If I'm using his own logic, then he is definitely and 'immediately suspect'!
Yeah, I realize now that I need to work with the rest of town. People don't like my plan, I get it. However... don't you find it weird how Ezekel responded? That doesn't bother you in the slightest, since he's supposedly bulletproof? What are your thoughts on that, if I can ask?
Not sportsman like either. I honestly don't mind the back and forth I could argue til I'm blue in the face, as you guys witnessed last game. But it is no use making an argument if the other guy is just do the above and not bother reading it.
Not sportsman like either. I honestly don't mind the back and forth I could argue til I'm blue in the face, as you guys witnessed last game. But it is no use making an argument if the other guy is just do the above and not bother reading it.
- There are quote codes. Use them, so that you don't spread libel. I do not know which QUOTE you are talking about, but if you die, it's because you are scum.
He can't comment on your quote properly (#2147) because you edited the text he responded to with "whine whine whine". You gave him no area to defend himself from, it's literally just spamming insults at him.
I was flabbergasted and you seemed to be saying the same thing over and over again: that the plan wasn't foolproof, that I didn't care about your alignment, and that I am suspect for even attempting this. But because you seem irritated, I will respond to that post I glossed over again and respond to every point. Okay?
If you can admit that it is possible that this whole can be read as you being scummy as well, yes. I notice you seem to gloss over the claims that you don't care about my alignment or that this could possibly be a scum move on your end.
It would only be a scum move if I thought El Topo could kill you. He can only kill you if you are not bulletproof. And frankly, I do not know why you would lie about being bulletproof.
Again, something like that doesnt prove alignment. If I claimed cop, pointed to ISIS member. You lynch him and proves me right, I could still be evil. This happened last mafia game with scum investigator.
Let him be lynched? Didn't he claim unaligned? So even though KGB win would be the same since they have to outnumber us we are still taking out an unaligned member who we don't know the win conditions of.
I am worried about your alignment. But I am not a cop. I am just an ordinary drone. And the easiest way to tell scum from friend is through their honesty. Liars are almost always scum. Killing liars is perhaps one of the best policies you can have.
Also a double kill night not occurring doesn't prove anything in regards to ET. Maybe the 2nd killer was one off or limited in other ways. Or maybe they will hold off on killing again to put more doubt on ET if he was on a mission.
Yeah, I realize now that I need to work with the rest of town. People don't like my plan, I get it. However... don't you find it weird how Ezekel responded? That doesn't bother you in the slightest, since he's supposedly bulletproof? What are your thoughts on that, if I can ask?
I have thoughts on Ezekel in that he doesnt deserve to be Sterling :3
I should have been Sterling! Clearly! >:C (JEALOUSY IS BEAUTIFUL ON BEAUTIFUL PEOPLE OK)
... no seriously, I'm warily watching him. I certainly think there's dubious aspects of his claims, such as:
1. It is easy for KGB to say he is not night-killable cuz well.... Mafia dont die at nights. (as I said before)
2. It gives him sweet spot for the night missions
3. Burbeting was one of the people who thinks his roleclaim was off cuz it was too OP. he did come around later, on the premise that HP must be KGB. Anyway, Burbey died now.
4. When I google HoneyPot .... the search only returns with blonde Sterling Archer in that ONE episode. No mentions of other chars as 'HoneyPot'. Seems like we have inferred that characters such as Katya or Rona may have been Sterling's so-called 'vulnerable spot' but yeah.... Not sure how solid is the inference of 'HoneyPot' as a mechanic against 'Sterling Archer'. Cuz basically the series is saying the only HoneyPot character WAS Sterling Archer. But I might be overthinking this. (if you haven't noticed by now, I do this to myself)
5. At some stage, I do agree that putting our supposedly Sterling with a supposedly Sterling-Assassin would give valuable info for the Agency. Not sure if it is now, though.
BUT:
1. Timing
Have to remember that N1 was super weird cuz no one died. But the KGB wouldn't have known that until the Day began. Unless they get some kind of PMs from Ourobolus in the middle of the Night phase.... But anyway, I'm assuming they found out when the rest of us did.
ER roleclaimed within 35 minutes of D2 beginning. I find it hard to believe he had things prepped in that time frame. But he DID notice the HoneyPot avatar in the middle of D1. Giving him enough time to put things together. Maybe.
2. IF his supposed role is true, he is taking exactly the measures to give the Agency as much benefit from being in the mission. If he dies, the pool of suspects is narrow and nice
3. There is no one indicating that his role claim is phoney so far so I have to operate on the assumption that he may be telling the truth.
Though, of course he may be role-baiting and all that jazz.
Anyway, I'm running around in circles now. Sorry it took awhile to respond, kittykris~ My thoughts are usually in a jumble and it takes me awhile to write them out coherently :3 All in all, ... I mean he may not be telling the whole truth, but I'm letting him be Sterling for now.
BTW, how many killers are we supposing are now in the game?
1. KGB scums
2. HoneyPot (maybe has separate ability from NK)
3. El Topo (one-shot) (he admitted he shot at roy N1 but was roleblocked???)
4. Potential SK (N2 double-deaths which were both Agency PRs)
I .... can see why Haly thinks El Topo is the SK. Regardless, though, I haven't liked how Topopo has been playing. So, my vote's with him at the moment.
If you don't even care to check back and read why I revealed, why should I even waste my time explaining it to you. I went into great detail as to why I roleclaimed when I did, answered a majority of questions directed at me that day as well.
About you saying I'm "spreading libel". Since you used that word I'm assuming you are trying to say you never said anything to the tune of me dying is good because it would prove if I was bp or not? Here it is.
About your reasoning that you care about alignment. I honestly couldn't tell you cared about alignment from your arguments. You were only obsessed with whether I was night immune or not. I think post 2160, the one you quoted when I said you didn't care about alignment, is one of the first times you even mentioned it.
Just as you asked why someone was so incessant on lynching ET, why are you so incessant on keeping him on?
4. When I google HoneyPot .... the search only returns with blonde Sterling Archer in that ONE episode. No mentions of other chars as 'HoneyPot'. Seems like we have inferred that characters such as Katya or Rona may have been Sterling's so-called 'vulnerable spot' but yeah.... Not sure how solid is the inference of 'HoneyPot' as a mechanic against 'Sterling Archer'. Cuz basically the series is saying the only HoneyPot character WAS Sterling Archer. But I might be overthinking this. (if you haven't noticed by now, I do this to myself)
Eze, you're not actually afraid of Topopo are you? He doesnt smell like the HoneyPot to me, didn't he unvolunteer yesterday.... which allowed darryl the space in N2 night mission
I mean if I was bulletproof, Id be glad to take on the heats off my fellow Agency members ... Id be like BATMAN. I CAN TAKE THE PUNCHES. GIVE IT TO ME, I AM THE KNIGHT THAT YOU DONT DESERVE BUT NEED.
:3
TOPO, is your ability really one-shot? Hypothetically, if we give you a target to kill next night to prove your claim, can you still shoot at faces or are you sort of useless now?
EZE, also, does your description says any character name attached to the 'HoneyPot'? I know that episode was a parody of the concept of honeypotting....... but it's confusing that the source material only points to Sterling Archer as the HoneyPot. HALP.
Eze, you're not actually afraid of Topopo are you? He doesnt smell like the HoneyPot to me, didn't he unvolunteer yesterday.... which allowed darryl the space in N2 night mission
I mean if I was bulletproof, Id be glad to take on the heats off my fellow Agency members ... Id be like BATMAN. I CAN TAKE THE PUNCHES. GIVE IT TO ME, I AM THE KNIGHT THAT YOU DONT DESERVE BUT NEED.
TOPO, is your ability really one-shot? Hypothetically, if we give you a target to kill next night to prove your claim, can you still shoot at faces or are you sort of useless now?
EZE, also, does your description says any character name attached to the 'HoneyPot'? I know that episode was a parody of the concept of honeypotting....... but it's confusing that the source material only points to Sterling Archer as the HoneyPot. HALP.
If he proves he can shoot, I'll believe in his other gizmos. And those gizmos might be good for town.
If you don't even care to check back and read why I revealed, why should I even waste my time explaining it to you. I went into great detail as to why I roleclaimed when I did, answered a majority of questions directed at me that day as well.
I did go back and read it. Your biggest point seemed to be that mafia were probably aware of their own honeypot character and would try to target you with her once their initial attempt at assassination failed. That is fair. I don't think it was a compelling enough reason, but it is at least justification. The second biggest point is the explanation of the lack of a first night kill. That is also a good point, but games have survived with many more mysterious circumstances than a missing night kill, which people would have attributed to a (second) doctor.
About you saying I'm "spreading libel". Since you used that word I'm assuming you are trying to say you never said anything to the tune of me dying is good because it would prove if I was bp or not? Here it is.
Ah, I guess I did say that. What I meant was that you dying would be good because it would prove scumminess, which I am conflating with lying about being bulletproof. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
About your reasoning that you care about alignment. I honestly couldn't tell you cared about alignment from your arguments. You were only obsessed with whether I was night immune or not. I think post 2160, the one you quoted when I said you didn't care about alignment, is one of the first times you even mentioned it.
Mostly to test your claim. That is important to me, whether you agree it is justified or not. It is very, very rare that one can actually test bulletproof claims in a mafia game without a lynch. I think anyone can see this quite clearly. Second, because if he's not lying about his items and his win condition, then he is essentially another town aligned player. That's valuable. We've lost two doctors and a cop. This is a shitty consolation prize, but it is better than nothing.
My turn to ask a question. Why are you so averse to letting us test your claim? What harm does it do?
Topo did admit he tried to shoot Roy N1 but was roleblocked or some such..... I just wanna confirm with him directly that he has basically been neutered if his kill ability is only one-shot. I mean a lot of his usefulness is riding if he can actually be seen as a threat to KGB faction. Seeing that he claims his target is a role named 'Cyborg' I am wondering if he still can shoot at peoples faces.
I mean, mechanics wise, it doesn't make sense to me that he's given a gun / camera / mascara and a target but only ONE CHANCE at using each item? But if it is not a one-shot ability, he's really OP. He can kill / inves / block other players.....
.... like, why wouldn't he CAMERA at roy first. Then he'd find out he was a Krieger Clone???? I dont like this one bit~
I'm inclined to believe Haly's theory! That he may be SK .... but does that mean he killed roy last night after being so fixated on him for 2 days? What blocked him in N1 .... hmmm
I don't mind the plan of having El Topo shoot Zeke. Let's look at the outcomes
Both Lying, No Kill: They both continue to lie and provide alibi for eachother. It's hardly difficult for them to set up, one of them has to go first and make the claim, then the other one confirms it.
Both Lying, Infinite KIll: El Topo shoots zeke, zeke dies, generates townie points for Topo, kills on subsequent nights and remains undetected.
Zeke Lying: Zeke dies giving us a pretty clear picture.
Topo Lying, No Kill: If Topo has no kill power then he will have to make some shit up about why he chose not to shoot zeke. Zeke will claim he wasn't shot
Topo Lying, Infinite Kill: Topo attacks zeke, zeke survives, generates townie points, goes on to kill on subsequent nights and remains more or less undetected.
Both Truthful: Topo attacks zeke, zeke survives, generates townie points, other kills are caused by someone else.
So.... town has no way of distinguishing whether topo has an infinite kill mechanic or a limited kill mechanic. If they're both bad they can just lie to get out of it. If one of them is lying or Topo has no night kill ability we get somewhat more information...
This is odd because if there is truly a link between them, they should have the same affiliation. That roytheone considered one of then town and one mafia implies that he likely investigated one of them. It is possible, though, that whomever he investigated has a role that tricks investigators.
As for kris? He seems to have come out the gate wanting to kill everything. His claim that El topo came to us is wrong, much like a few assumptions he has made. El topo was forced because he essentially was going to die yesterday but for his role reveal. There's also been a few posts on day 3 which mention him being SK and he's not even tried to deny it.
I'm willing to go with the mission plan it as long as no one else is on the mission, because topo is not to be trusted, everyone but him and eze must unvolunteer.
On mobile so I'll be on at lunch with a bit more of a post. Until rhen
Topo did admit he tried to shoot Roy N1 but was roleblocked or some such..... I just wanna confirm with him directly that he has basically been neutered if his kill ability is only one-shot. I mean a lot of his usefulness is riding if he can actually be seen as a threat to KGB faction. Seeing that he claims his target is a role named 'Cyborg' I am wondering if he still can shoot at peoples faces.
I mean, mechanics wise, it doesn't make sense to me that he's given a gun / camera / mascara and a target but only ONE CHANCE at using each item? But if it is not a one-shot ability, he's really OP. He can kill / inves / block other players.....
.... like, why wouldn't he CAMERA at roy first. Then he'd find out he was a Krieger Clone???? I dont like this one bit~
I'm inclined to believe Haly's theory! That he may be SK .... but does that mean he killed roy last night after being so fixated on him for 2 days? What blocked him in N1 .... hmmm
This happens but how do we know the other kills were caused by someone else? Looking back up with his reveal post, if he shoots me and double kills keep happening are we pose to automatically believe ET isnt a part of it because he claimed to not have another kill ability?
Why doesn't he mention what the mascara does here as well? He should say kill someone and role block/w/e mascara.
He says his only win condition is to get rid of a cyborg. Why would he be so willing to waste the one way to gurantee himself a win by doing this test.
I think anyone can see this quite clearly. Second, because if he's not lying about his items and his win condition, then he is essentially another town aligned player. That's valuable. We've lost two doctors and a cop. This is a shitty consolation prize, but it is better than nothing.
Essentially being another town player actually being another town player are two completely different things though. We KNOW he is unaligned. We KNOW that when he wastes his kill on me that he will be just as good as a drone basically. We dont know if he is telling the truth about his win condition.
This happens but how do we know the other kills were caused by someone else? Looking back up with his reveal post, if he shoots me and double kills keep happening are we pose to automatically believe ET isnt a part of it because he claimed to not have another kill ability?
TOPO, is your ability really one-shot? Hypothetically, if we give you a target to kill next night to prove your claim, can you still shoot at faces or are you sort of useless now?
I don't think he can. If he is on the mission and he decides not to kill Ezekel, and he's forced to kill like SKs typically are, then someone else on the mission gets fucked.
I'm not the serial killer. I don't have to use a power during the night. If anyone other than Ezzi dies on that trip, it is certain death for me. No discussion will be needed in that case.
He says his only win condition is to get rid of a cyborg. Why would he be so willing to waste the one way to gurantee himself a win by doing this test.
Why? Because it is absolutely clear right now that the only way I might live another day is by doing whatever you guys want me to do, by putting my powers at your command. I can't win if I'm dead.
I disagree? Dead. I do something other than I was told? Dead. I post shit? Dead. I do anything that is even remotely anti-town? Dead.
el topo. oh okay, you used it on roy on N2, but then.... wouldn't it mean that you should have tracked or seen who killed roy? i wanna know what the message says, not verbatim, just how can you use camera on someone that died and not find any useful information is beyond me
ps. sorry for having to ask you clarifying questions. i just got off work and i couldn't really read well at work today. busybusy~
EzekelRAGE and El Topo are unknown quantities. We can test aspects of BOTH of their role claims TONIGHT, killing two birds with one mission, without wasting a lynch. Get El Topo on the mission. Have him shoot Ezekel. Nobody wants a loose cannon with a hand cannon anyway so we will not have wasted his weapon. I already explained what the outcomes mean. Even if EZ-E is bulletproof KGB Khrushchev scumbag, we can continue relegating him to milk runs until we have lynched all stay-at-home-KGB and then the only people dying happen to be on missions. I STILL think it was utterly misconceived of him to reveal. I can't even remember why he did, and I care very little to go back and see. The point is that we need to do a goddamned something about all these roleclaims, and I am the only one who has proposed a real lynchless way to do that.
1)So tell me again, Darryl. Why is lynching El Topo the only reasonable thing to do?
Is it because you feel threatened?
Hunting scum? Some idiot put our backs against the wall? He is neutral. It is very clear he is neutral. We might even have some mutual interests. And if he's not lying about his gadgets, then we have the opportunity to get real information on people WHEN WE HAVE ALREADY LOST THREE POWER ROLES IN TWO CYCLES.
2)Topo has "mascara", which implies seduction, which implies roleblock. I concede that it could be one of those fancy mascara gadgets and does something else. I will not force Topo to reveal what it does. He should continue to use the discretion he has been using (except for killing people).
3)Only the most gullible among us would think that a one shot gun power on a neutral role would be "too much of an advantage". Not to mention, he is not town, so he can use that against town players... such as the fact that he was going to kill roy.
4)Volunteer for the mission. Shoot EzekelRAGE. Then, for the next couple of nights, use your gadgets at your discrepancy. Or talk about it with us. We'll cross that bridge tomorrow. And the results of this wonderful little experiment will determine precisely what we're going to do about you... or Mr. Bulletproof.
5)Septimus Prime thinks he might be targetted or lynched today. Good. He's suspicious and I don't care much for him at all. Unvolunteer, or we'll force you with a lynch. squiddyj is also suspicious for reasons I don't care much for getting into right now. He is not at the top of my lynch list. So squiddyj, unvolunteer.
1) I've been back and forth on this all morning but I have said it before and I will say it again. Hell, I'll even bold it: Everything Topo has done up until this point has been extremely anti-town. Couple that with his 'I'm playing for fun' and I have come to the conclusion that this man is absolutely not to be trusted. What's not to say he killed Roy last night and is just trying to extend his stay here? I think he killed roy, expected to be killed by mafia due to his behaviour at the end of D2 and he could be happily done with this with killing a person he pretty much decided was dead on D1 because he has freckles on his left cheek or something. That does rely on a roleblock on D1, which is loose at best, but I believe that more than Topo just deciding not to kill Roy, especially after the Doctor kill in D1 revealed that they can't protect themselves.
2) Don't know why you feel Topo should have some autonomy, he's not helped us at all as said. He should do exactly as we say (which I don't see happening, hence I'm back on lynching him) or be killed.
With that,
VOTE: El Topo
3) Only the most gullible among us would take Topo's word on his claim. The recurring theme here is you're putting some trust in a man who has absolutely lost the right to earn trust. He says he wants to stay alive to win, after stating playing for fun. The chances of him winning are reasonably low just now, so I vote ignore this lying bastard and take him to the land of the dead things.
4) I came and went on this, but I think I'm going to be adamant and say this is a bad idea. I'm not against in future using missions for something like this, but this is absolutely not the maiden case.
5) I know you've suddenly flip flopped on Septimus for ...well, reasons, but I'm more pointing you finding squidy suspicious. I'm still with squidy as a townie so far, and for this you are starting to be suspicious.
Sure. Looking town and being town are separate things. Look at her votes. She can say and do things that look town (and she does; look at her last post, which I was just reading and even considering changing my vote for just now), but look at her voting record: last-minute changes to pile onto the players who got eliminated on both days, piling up with the other players I suspect: squidyj and Darryl (and GLT).
Why did she vote for Visualante2 or Zubz? No real reasoning, either. "They seem scum."
Alright, Septimus. Frankly, I'm becoming more and more amazed the longer you keep on living. You've proven moments of incredible density in D1, a little more here in D3 and now you're going after my hot hot crush, and also good pro-town contributor YNNNY. Your reason? Absolute pish mate. A fountain of disgusting yellow-red-just-had-a-load-of-beetroot-and-what-is-this flavoured pish. Zubz was harbouring suspicion from late D1 onwards, and YNNNY actually posted with references to such dodgy behaviour. It's alright though, your three word summary is about as powerful a contribution you've made in the entire time you've been here. El Topo really has saved you, and frankly I wish I could lynch you both. Topo takes priority for me today, but I've got my eyes on you next, sunshine.
I've not got a massively strong read on Darryl, but he's leaning town currently. More than I can say for you, who has demonstrated amazingly alarming dumbness and reasonable insights on what seems to be a daily basis. Why don't you vote for me next? I'm sure you'll find something anti-town on me. I can't wait to find out what it is.
Kristoffer, I like your moxie and your plan to have El Topo shoot our good friend Ezekel tonight.
We are getting nowhere with the Archer/Honeypot saga, and I am inclined to think worst case is like those poor Islanders where El Topo fulfills his win condition and disappears.
I may be able to assist you with this endeavor by lynching whomever the last person to volunteer is should they not get the hint and open the spot beforehand.
Alright Enker has been pretty suspicious to me for a while, now he's suddenly jumping into bed with Kristoffer, who I'm also suspicious off after his flamboyant entrance into the zone. He's getting a pass for this day unless anything mad happens, because he's offering some posts and insight into his thinking, but this post has raised Enker for me in suspicion levels. The archer/honeypot saga hasn't been focused on until Kristoffer brought his grand plan to the table, which makes me think of pure distraction. I'm still on Ezekel's side currently, I have reconsidered what I thought this morning and the mission seems like a bad idea because I have just come to the conclusion Topo is helping mafia and himself only.
I'm glad Septimus got off with one single post. You know, ignoring all the stuff he's posted prior. Good stuff, thanks. I also think MikeHawk's been reasonably duff UNTIL today, where some of his posts were actually useful contributions, I am not as suspicious of him as others are in the thread and I find it alarming if you're still brushing him off. Reads to me like a townie who mafia see as a suspicious target and want to push an eventual lynch.
Haly is in the neutral cloud for me. Not much to say currently.
I am suspicious of Mazre as well, but have nothing more than that. I have been thinking of how to use missions the best, however. The benefit of the mission system is that it isolates a known quantity of agents. We should be cycling in our most suspicious characters every night. This won't work well while there are three (or more?) KGB about, but once it gets down to two, we might potentially prevent a murder during the night time (no one would want to murder while on a mission except neutrals). And when we finally get a kill-less night, we will be able to look at four people and say with slightly more certainty that these are prime suspects.
Alright, your idea is interesting, but will our most suspicious characters be willing to just hop on the mission bandwagon? It seems a mildly flawed concept, what are we going to do, stick the pitchforks on their arses if they refuse? I don't see that going far when I expect a decent number to avoid missions.
You also lose points for thinking highly of your own opinion, because that's just odd.
To be honest, I'm not opposed to this. I like Darryl tho. He's a smart player and he makes pretty awesome contributions. But if the Agency needs to lynch Mr. SwearWords to ascertain something, I'm on board........... though if you are proven wrong, I am likely to bite your head off in the next day cuz at least Darryl seems handsome, unlike some of the timid wallflowers we've got on board atm >____>
There are SO many players that are content of just surfing quietly in the back and I dread to see what the thread would look like with even less active participants. Not jabbing at anyone in particular, but deadweights are deadweights >:C
I'm looking at YOU QuantumBro, Hobohodo, and NOTAwesomePossum >:O
Then there's people like Mazre who has the zeal to keep his volunteering seat on the beginning of every day and makes the squeakiest, most cleanest surf line into the next day without giving much valuable contributions.
At least Enker and Mike sort of tries :x
NO CHILDREN TRYING DOESNT CUT IT. THIS IS AMERICA. #OnlyWinnersAreRealAmericans
And hey, thanks for unvolunteering! You're a good sport, Septi! :>
Holster your weapon, Geronimo. If Mazre unvolunteers and cabbeh unvolunteers, there will be no need.
...Well, I suppose you are not going to unvolunteer, then. If you can elaborate your thinking on this matter I would appreciate it.
I actually misread your post and thought you were accusing The Mole of not having a killing role at all. Apologies.
I'm much more concerned about Ezekel's bulletproof claim than I am about El Topo's one-shot. The reason is that claiming bulletproof offers nothing for town, but it gives the claimant some ethos and it also gives him an excuse for not being night-killed. Meanwhile, Topo's claim gives town an inkling of hope, and when so many power roles have already been extinguished you would have to be incredibly myopic to let such an opportunity slip. More information is better than less, so I see great utility in those gadgets.
You cannot distinguish between the two. That is correct. However, if Ezekel were to die, that would satisfy my number one concern of "is he really bulletproof?". If Topo does not actually use his weapon, then he is not town aligned and we will catch him doing something anti-town later on and lynch him at that point. It is a very minor loss in the form of misinformation if he lies (we are back to where we are right now, anyway) and it is a very great boon if we kill a liar.
You say that El Topo is more likely a Serial Killer. But if that were the case, then that means that the no-kill on Night 1 was due to the miraculous guessing of the two doctors and/or a roleblocker. I find that a far greater leap than merely trusting someone who says "hey, I've got a gun, and it's one-shot".
We have more to gain than we do to lose, and we don't even have to lynch for it.
Can we just, you know, lynch a quiet player today? Like MikeHawk?
You're throwing everything at the wall, I don't know if it's new member excitement or some bizarre behaviour to try and confuse everyone, but it's ringing alarm bells for me.
SILENT ONES YES, SEPTIMUS OH CONTRIBUTER OF ALL THINGS NOT MEDIOCRE.
Also, considering Topo's behaviour up until this point, why are you even entertaining the idea of keeping him around that he might kill the right person?
He'd probably kill me because it's a laugh and a giggle and I hate him.
Oh wait. Yes, it was. I see what you were talking about now.
Yeah, I was thinking that Honeypot's win condition was risky, but I was wrong about that, and you aren't that role and/or don't have that win condition. My bad.
johnnyquickknives wasn't on the rebel side either but proved instrumental in lynching oceanicair.
This incessant need to lynch El Topo when
HE. CAME. TO. US.
is what is truly frightening. You were not willing to vote for someone until the day went on, but now that there is a very real threat that El Topo might be on the mission tonight, you have freaked out.
And EzekelRAGE. I actually believed you were on our side. I just wanted to get everyone to trust you, including myself, because a bulletproof claim is fucking bananas. It is as bad as vengeful or doctor. So along comes the perfect storm on Day 3: a killer who is not KGB. A perfect way to verify your claim. And you FLIP. You attack my credibility and you vote for El Topo. Palmer chimes in that El Topo is the obvious choice despite not explaining why. Darryl follows your vote, having contributed nothing but vulgarity.
I am actually shocked because I never thought you would be so against what was a zero risk plan for ISIS. But now I can see the truth.I can see clearly now.
Keep shouting over and over again that I am playing "scummy". It is obviously a concerted effort and you have already revealed your true intentions.
As highlighted before, you're not only throwing stuff at the wall, you're clearly giving misinformation. I said earlier, Topo was forced to reveal because he was dead and buried yesterday until that point. At the time he talked about it in D2, I thought he was a townie power role. I no longer believe he is a townie power role.
Your plan is not zero risk. Ezekel could die as town, Topo could stay alive to form up more lies to convince people, all the while something might happen that puts another player at the top of the pecking order in D4, ignoring Topo again.
I wouldn't like anyone else to keep shouting over and over again, it seems you're now this guy. It's bad enough with one, can we avoid having two?
If I'm not mistaken, he only gave a clue he had a power because he was close ot the chopping block on Day 2.
With that post and the fact that I voted for cj day one (due to him postin fluff or something like that) I'm changing my vote to Kriss. All I see is deflection from accusations of scum and obsessed with me proving my BP. He cares nothing for my alignment, only for the fact that can I survive? He can throw accusations/theories but doesn't want to answer when theories are thrown at him.
Also with this post
- Doesn't want to risk ET being lynched even though he has admitted being 3rd party
- With the bolded, he claims that I will show signs of anti town at some point, so makes his theory even less needed.
- In another quote he mentioned even if there was a scenario where I died "least I will know if he was bp or not"
I've hinted at it in this post, but I do find Kris reasonably suspicious, but he's not above Topo or Septimus for me. I'd take these two first currently.
That said, I find it a bit unfair that you give others the benefit of the doubt over me when it comes to trust. It's one thing to attempt to rationalize the decision to lynch me. I disagree on that, I think you could just use me to test Ezzi and throw me away afterwards if you deem it necessary to avoid some of the problems squidyj mentioned, but it's admittedly a legitimate train of thought.
It's a whole different thing to claim that I am not trustworthy.
Your plan is not zero risk. Ezekel could die as town, Topo could stay alive to form up more lies to convince people, all the while something might happen that puts another player at the top of the pecking order in D4, ignoring Topo again.
In all fairness, lynching me is not "zero risk" either. You give the mafia and other unaligned players another night to do whatever they want, while losing a confirmed neutral role that might be of use, e.g. by testing Ezzi's claim.
I think given that the town has lost several power roles, many might be happy enough to lynch a neutral instead of potentially losing another town member. They might fear that the risk is too great. Very understandable, albeit very unfortunate for me.
