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[cw_sasuke]

People need to realize that Atlus didn't release a new Persona RPG game for the last gen consoles Wii/360/PS3... Even though they sold more than 200 million systems worldwide.

They really take their time with most of the stuff and focus in single SKUs if possible. I feel they will embrace more multiplattform development for bigger projects after P5. Even with P5 they are working on PS3 and PS4 versions.... Baby steps.

A PC Version would be easy money... But... Well.

At least it's not as bad as with Nippon Ichi who would rather go go bankrupt instead of porting their games to non Playstation systems lol. Disgaea on mobile platforms and PC seems like a No Brainer.

Atlus is successful with they way they handle their IPs so they can take their time and won't be forced by Sega or anyone to port games to other systems.

They release a lot of 3ds games where there are some fanfare on Gaf but very little PC port request.

Power of Persona.

PS4 is pretty much a PC and porting a game from PS4 to PC doesn't take much effort. Making a handheld 3DS game presentable as a PC full price game would be much more work.

This isn't the Emotion Engine anymore and with PC and console being so similar there always will be questions so when 3rdparties ignore a very big market and viable market for minor reasons.

But with Bamco, Tecmo Koei and SE already starting it won't be long until more join the party.

 

[Chobel]

That's too bad, I would have loved to play it on PC :/

 

[kadotsu]

Too bad. PC version would've been a way around Atlus' Dual Audio fuckery, on their biggest franchise, for me. Now I have to hope the PS4 is getting hacked.

 

[Durante]

Too bad. PC version would've been a way around Atlus' Dual Audio fuckery, on their biggest franchise, for me. Now I have to hope the PS4 is getting hacked.

Yeah, that would be one of the best things about it.

because PC gamers and their 'everything is better on PC' reasoning i supposed.....

Well, it's objectively true.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Got to hop on the Plantation 4 train for this one.

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Dark Souls and Legend of Heroes have proven that PC gamers just love good games regardless of their origin. Persona 5 would dominate the Steam charts for months.

 

[Usobuko]

PS4 is pretty much a PC and porting a game from PS4 to PC doesn't take much effort. Making a handheld 3DS game presentable as a PC full price game would be much more work.

This isn't the Emotion Engine anymore and with PC and console being so similar there always will be questions so when 3rdparties ignore a very big market and viable market for minor reasons.

But with Bamco, Tecmo Koei and SE already starting it won't be long until more join the party.

Companies port because the endeavor itself is profitable and opportunity cost deem so. I don't see why 3rd parties handheld games require that much work to deter it. I know why Persona is requested so much despite my indifference to this cult fav. franchise.

But yes, like you say, so many Japanese companies has joined the fray, I am sure next gen 3rd party games, be it on console or handheld, will mostly come to PC.

I also in favour of Jpn companies exploring the Asian market in specific cases where the returns are much more than western markets.

 

[Hinomura]

It's still (PS4) a beast compared to PC

It's not, according to SteamSpy, which esteems the Japanese Steam user base is about 1,730,994.

http://steamspy.com/country/ (bottom of the page, hover the mouse at the right side of the "Countries on Steam day by day" graph)

More stats here: http://steamspy.com/country/JP

 

[Usobuko]

ATLUS is extremely old-fashioned guys. They're dedicated to console gaming.

Hell, they've supported the 3DS more than Nintendo has since Day 1. Devil Survivor Overclocked was a launch window title and is still one of the best on the platform. They have 5 (soon to be 6 with Untold 3) Etrian Odyssey games + Persona Q. They're localizing 3DS games that they didn't even publish.

The executies must have top tier sake and sushi to forge such good bonds with hardware makers.

 

[AlucardGV]

Too bad. PC version would've been a way around Atlus' Dual Audio fuckery, on their biggest franchise, for me. Now I have to hope the PS4 is getting hacked.

that would probably be illegal

 

[artsi]

It's not, according to SteamSpy, which esteems the Japanese Steam user base is about 1,730,994.

http://steamspy.com/country/ (bottom of the page, hover the mouse at the right side of the "Countries on Steam day by day" graph)

More stats here: http://steamspy.com/country/JP

You're comparing the total user base of a 12 year old platform to one that's 1,5 years old.

Instead, how much do new games sell between PC and PS4 in Japan?

 

[Jawmuncher]

You're comparing the total user base of a 12 year old platform to one that's 1,5 years old.

Instead, how much do new games sell between PC and PS4 in Japan?

PC gaming in japan is indeed small if it's not the typical games like LOL. But you can't just write off the age of the PC platform when that information is presented. It's one of the reasons the argument gets brought up so much. It's not unheard of for something from japan to do worse off there and do well else where.

 

[koutoru]

Too bad. PC version would've been a way around Atlus' Dual Audio fuckery, on their biggest franchise, for me. Now I have to hope the PS4 is getting hacked.

I could see some people specifically getting it on PS3 so they can run an undubbed version of the game on a CFW PS3.

 

[artsi]

PC gaming in japan is indeed small if it's not the typical games like LOL. But you can't just write off the age of the PC platform when that information is presented. It's one of the reasons the argument gets brought up so much. It's not unheard of for something from japan to do worse off there and do well else where.

Like I originally said, Atlus is very Japan-centric which is not wise from a business standpoint, but that's unfortunately a fact.
We've seen it with decisions like excluding P5 from E3, lack of localized marketing, even the second trailer has been so far Japan exclusive.

The game might sell fairly good on Steam internationally, but it's very unlikely that they would develop Persona 5 for PC since their primary audience in Japan won't buy it, no matter how many CS:GO or DOTA2 players there are.

 

[Nzyme32]

Sega games on PC are "infinitely improbable"?

Well the question asked was if a pc release was impossible, so technically they are saying a PC release being impossible is infinitely improbable, but that isn't really what I think it means

More to the point, as a reference to Hitchhikers guide, it is more like saying anything is possible although completely unknown where they will end up.

Ie - does the person asking the question have a device that will go through all the possibilities

 

[WeWereGiants]

I think this is a hilarious response but I would like to see this come out on PC... I have a PS4 and will get Persona 5 on the PS4 but I would love to see more japanese PC releases.

 

[Gbraga]

People should know by now, if you want to play japanese games, you should buy a PS4.

This is true, but not every PC gamer is exclusively a PC gamer. Personally, I'd love to have as many of my favorite games on PC as possible, even if they're all barebones ports, just for the backwards compatibility.

I do own a Vita, a PS3 and a PS4, because I do enjoy japense games a lot, so it's more of my ideal scenario than just me refusing to accept that a lot of them just won't come.

Releasing older games would be awesome too, even if Persona 5 takes a long time to come. I'd love to have Catherine, DDS, Nocturne and the previous Persona titles on PC.

 

[Alo0oy]

Too bad, Persona 5 mods would have been cool as hell. I was gonna buy it on PS4 anyway, so I don't care either way, only a future mod would have convinced me to buy it again later on Steam.

Speaking of mods, did anybody "fix" FFXIII with a cool mod yet? I might buy it on Steam if so.

 

[Gbraga]

Too bad, Persona 5 mods would have been cool as hell. I was gonna buy it on PS4 anyway, so I don't care either way, only a future mod would have convinced me to buy it again later on Steam.

Speaking of mods, did anybody "fix" FFXIII with a cool mod yet? I might buy it on Steam if so.

The framerate is still all over the place, but Durante fixed the resolution, and IIRC it has been officially patched since then (you can still use Durante's method if you prefer).

If you're ok with locking it at 30fps, you probably won't have any issues, even at ridiculously high resolutions.

 

[Alo0oy]

The framerate is still all over the place, but Durante fixed the resolution, and IIRC it has been officially patched since then (you can still use Durante's method if you prefer).

If you're ok with locking it at 30fps, you probably won't have any issues, even at ridiculously high resolutions.

I don't care about frame rate, I like fun mods or mods that change the game. When I said "fixed", I meant making the game not boring.

 

[Eila]

Persona 1 got a japanese PC port.
I always found it weird how the old japanese PCs had tons of games but when everyone switched to Microsoft OS the games just dropped. Well, except the Visual Novels, which are still very much alive.

 

[Gbraga]

I don't care about frame rate, I like fun mods or mods that change the game. When I said "fixed", I meant making the game not boring.

Oh, I see, then I don't think any game changing mods were made, sorry.

It would be cool to have something like a Hard Mode with unlocked paradigms from the start, I guess.

 

[Alo0oy]

It's not, according to SteamSpy, which esteems the Japanese Steam user base is about 1,730,994.

http://steamspy.com/country/ (bottom of the page, hover the mouse at the right side of the "Countries on Steam day by day" graph)

More stats here: http://steamspy.com/country/JP

That's a poor argument, Steam has x8 as many users as Xbox One for example, but software sales are either the same, slightly better on Xbox, or slightly better on Steam for AAA games depending on the genre.

 

[jacobeid]

Pure speculation:

I wonder if development had started a few years later than it did if we'd see this on PC. I have to imagine that by the time Atlus (and Sega) saw that Square's games were selling well on PC they were too deep in development, with a small team, to create a PC version.

 

[Alo0oy]

Oh, I see, then I don't think any game changing mods were made, sorry.

It would be cool to have something like a Hard Mode with unlocked paradigms from the start, I guess.

Maybe Square has enough sense in them to modify the game a little in the eventual Remaster.

Mods is really the only reason I buy PC ports since I don't give enough shit about framerate or resolution (that and strategy games).

 

[artsi]

I wonder if development had started a few years later than it did if we'd see this on PC. I have to imagine that by the time Atlus (and Sega) saw that Square's games were selling well on PC they were too deep in development, with a small team, to create a PC version.

I don't want to even think about it, it's been over 6 years without a new Persona now

 

[Inuhanyou]

Atlus USA probably should not have responded to the question. Now there's gonna be a whole bunch of boycotts and mass "you dont respect PC, i'm never buying your games again!" even though they(Index/Atlus Japan) never promised a PC version to begin with.

If you as the handler(especially the US offices) don't know of any plan on a PC port, don't bait people with stupid answers on twitter like this.

 

[UltraJay]

I don't care about frame rate, I like fun mods or mods that change the game. When I said "fixed", I meant making the game not boring.

Don't expect full conversion mods on a game without mod tools on a first-party engine. Not every PC game gets crazy mods. I even saw someone here think that FFXIII on PC could potentially mean that a FFX-type battle system could get modded in. No. Just... no. Modders can't even fix the framerate or performance. The best you can hope for in a game without mod tools is model/texture replacing and higher-res textures.

The biggest non-performance mod I can think of for this series is for XIII-2 and that is a mod that adds the DLC costumes back into the game after they were removed with a patch because of licensing concerns.

Mods is really the only reason I buy PC ports since I don't give enough shit about framerate or resolution (that and strategy games).

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you aren't going to see many mods - if any - from Japanese console ports in the way that you want. This isn't the Elder Scrolls with hundreds of game changing mods. The biggest ones we see are stuff like the Higurashi VN getting all the Japanese PS3 assets added in along with Japanese VA.

 

[Nzyme32]

Atlus USA probably should not have responded to the question. Now there's gonna be a whole bunch of boycotts and mass "you dont respect PC, i'm never buying your games again!" even though they(Index/Atlus Japan) never promised a PC version to begin with.

If you as the handler(especially the US offices) don't know of any plan on a PC port, don't bait people with stupid answers on twitter like this.

Here is an explanation of the Infinite Improbability Drive for those of you that don't know Hitchhiker's Guide

He is basically telling you they don't know where they will end up, and not that the PC version is unlikely - he simply asks the original poster if he has a device that will tell them the answer

 

[Alo0oy]

Don't expect full conversion mods on a game without mod tools on a first-party engine. Not every PC game gets crazy mods. I even saw someone here think that FFXIII on PC could potentially mean that a FFX-type battle system could get modded in. No. Just... no. Modders can't even fix the framerate or performance. The best you can hope for in a game without mod tools is model/texture replacing and higher-res textures.

The biggest non-performance mod I can think of for this series is for XIII-2 and that is a mod that adds the DLC costumes back into the game after they were removed with a patch because of licensing concerns.

Yeah, sorry, I'm not knowledgeable on PC mods, my PC is an indie exclusives & Civ machine, sometimes I'd buy the occasional port, but the type of games I buy on PC have great mods (mostly strategy games).

But now that you mention FFX-style (& X-2) combat. That would actually make FFXIII good, & I want it!! So people can't mod it without tools? How come there are all those crazy mods on FFVII without any mod tools?

 

[KimonoNoNo]

There's a slim chance P5 could happen. No chance in hell for Catherine.

Out of the two it's Catherine that would have a better chance of being ported (not that I think that particularly likely). Think about it Catherine is one-off game based in the US with adult characters, on a multiplatform engine that has already received a X360 version.

If ever Atlus wanted a game to dip their toe in PC development it's Catherine.

 

[Alo0oy]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you aren't going to see many mods - if any - from Japanese console ports in the way that you want. This isn't the Elder Scrolls with hundreds of game changing mods. The biggest ones we see are stuff like the Higurashi VN getting all the Japanese PS3 assets added in along with Japanese VA.

I really don't want hundreds of mods, the stuff FFVII has in the bootleg mod pack is enough for me.

 

[jmga]

ATLUS doesn't like money.

 

[JayWood2010]

Bad decision imo. ill just get it for PS4 but bringing a niche game to PC to expand is always desirable.

 

[jacobeid]

I don't want to even think about it, it's been over 6 years without a new Persona now

Well, yeah I don't think anybody would have wanted to wait another few years to get a PC version. We've already waited long enough.

I'm talking more like an alternate reality where the Persona team made a sequel to Catherine before moving on to P5. Had that been the case I wonder if we'd be seeing a PC version.

Spoiler

I wish they would have made Catherine 2 before P5

 

[Alo0oy]

Well, yeah I don't think anybody would have wanted to wait another few years to get a PC version. We've already waited long enough.

I'm talking more like an alternate reality where the Persona team made a sequel to Catherine before moving on to P5. Had that been the case I wonder if we'd be seeing a PC version.

Spoiler

I wish they would have made Catherine 2 before P5

No, alternating between them is a good decision, their next game should be a spiritual successor to Catherine, maybe PC users will get that game? I think a Catherine type game would find better success on PC than Persona would.

 

[tokkun]

Here is an explanation of the Infinite Improbability Drive for those of you that don't know Hitchhiker's Guide

He is basically telling you they don't know where they will end up, and not that the PC version is unlikely - he simply asks the original poster if he has a device that will tell them the answer

The infinite improbability drive is not used to tell you answers, it is used to make things that are extremely improbable occur. If you have read the books or listened to the radio drama, you will know that the drive is characterized by doing things like materializing whales and sentient bowls of petunias high in the atmosphere - i.e. things that are so improbable that you would have to be a fool to ever think they would occur on their own.

 

[Nzyme32]

The infinite improbability drive is not used to tell you answers, it is used to make things that are extremely improbable occur. If you have read the books or listened to the radio drama, you will know that the drive is characterized by doing things like materializing whales and sentient bowls of petunias high in the atmosphere - i.e. things that are so improbable that you would have to be a fool to ever think they would occur on their own.

I know. I'm saying in the context of the question asked "Is a PC version impossible?", asking that poster if he had an improbability drive, is pretty much stating they have no idea what will happen.

 

[jacobeid]

No, alternating between them is a good decision, their next game should be a spiritual successor to Catherine, maybe PC users will get that game? I think a Catherine type game would find better success on PC than Persona would.

The only reason I said I wish they would have made Catherine 2 before P5 is because I know how long I'm going to have to wait for any type of spiritual successor and it makes me sad. Catherine was one of my favorite games last gen, and one of my favorite new IPs.

I don't care where it ends up, I just want more Catherine. You're right though, Catherine would sell on PC.

Hell, port the first game to PC and see what happens!

Back on topic, I can't wait for TGS. Can't wait for more P5 news

 

[Kssio_Aug]

They should just release it everywhere. But I would never expect them to do it...

 

[Grief.exe]

Persona 5's art style just begs for high resolution too. 1080p is so 2008.

Unfortunate Atlus is the only Japanese studio not chasing that PC money.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I'd bet it's less of a case of "We don't want to" and more of a case of "We can't."

 

[Imp the Dimp]

Unfortunate Atlus is the only Japanese studio not chasing that PC money.

If they did and if From Software consistently released their stuff on PC as well, a lot of people would have little to no reason to own a PS4 I think. I sure wouldn't have.

 

[fantomena]

Persona 5's art style just begs for high resolution too. 1080p is so 2008.

1080p is a high resolution and what's the reason for that 1080p is so 2008?

 

[TouchMyBox]

Of course...

How moneyhated X-Com?

Linus Torvalds, obviously. Wake up, sheeple.

1080p is a high resolution and what's the reason for that 1080p is so 2008?

1080p is still a totally fine resolution

Spoiler

for a cellphone.

 

[Grief.exe]

1080p is a high resolution and what's the reason for that 1080p is so 2008?

I'm just jaded since I've been playing games at 1080p for the better part of a decade. 2015/2016 has been projected by analysts as the year where 4K TVs really take off, the high end monitor industry is exploding right now, the majority of smartphones coming out are above 1080p.

It's just an outdated standard at this point, 1080p in 2015 got me like

 

[Alo0oy]

If they did and if From Software consistently released their stuff on PC as well, a lot of people would have little to no reason to own a PS4 I think. I sure wouldn't have.

The majority of people still chose PS4 to buy their multiplats, so you're in the minority.

 

[4Tran]

No, alternating between them is a good decision, their next game should be a spiritual successor to Catherine, maybe PC users will get that game? I think a Catherine type game would find better success on PC than Persona would.

Truthfully, I think that PC gamers are pretty receptive to Atlus games in general. Just about any of their PS2 games should do pretty well on PC.

If they did and if From Software consistently released their stuff on PC as well, a lot of people would have little to no reason to own a PS4 I think. I sure wouldn't have.

There will always be a ton of Japanese games that wouldn't show up on PC, so there's plenty of reason for people who like these games to get a PS4. If you're only into it for a few select games then the story might be different.

 

[TouchMyBox]

I'm just jaded since I've been playing games at 1080p for the better part of a decade. 2015/2016 has been projected by analysts as the year where 4K TVs really take off, the high end monitor industry is exploding right now, the majority of smartphones coming out are above 1080p.

It's just an outdated standard at this point, 1080p in 2015 got me like

4K is garbage until there are some sexy 144Hz Variable Refresh 4K screens though.

 

[The Artisan]

the fact that they're even having a conversation about it might mean it could happen, I guess.