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Does too much fanservice in games bother you?
- Thread starter Doosi
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I don't think it's very clear that the character is supposed to look cute instead of sexy. She looks like this:
Gonna have to REALLY disagree with you there.
Ohmygoditsjrod
Banned
Yeah that's a definite reach. Lolipop chainsaw is definitely a game made to be super fanservicey and Rise's outfit isn't even close to what Jessica Nigri is wearing.
Cornbread78
Member
Oh wow, just cruised through some of the pages in here. Pretty intense debate going on. So Does my avi qualify me for a fan service crazed animu weebo also?
How about this, I'll fess up right away. I don't mind it at all if it is in reference to adult characters. There is no reason to sexual children in video games and I'm stumped trying to remember a game where it was prevalent.
How about this, I'll fess up right away. I don't mind it at all if it is in reference to adult characters. There is no reason to sexual children in video games and I'm stumped trying to remember a game where it was prevalent.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
I'm not on the "outfit is completely nonsexual" thing now that I look at it but linking to things that are EXPLICITLY sexual is a little misleading. There's an obvious difference between Rise's Outfit and a leotard with sheer tights, especially when combined with that sort of a dance.
I dunno an expose midriff or low cut top is sexy sure, but that's just kind of typical sexy clothing I guess. It's just not that outrageous given the context of the game to me.
Well hold on a second.
We have bikni top with unbuttoned top over it, exposed midriff, short skirt, thigh highs, and high heels. I don't think it's that different from the outfit Nigri is wearing. I think there's an aspect of giving visual interest to the outfit from a drawing perspective but to say it's non-sexual is a little much.
akidnamededdy
Banned
It doesn't bug me in the slightest mostly because I don't give a shit what people are getting off to.
MarmaladeChainsaw
Neo Member
how about if I put these 2 images next to each other, you really think they aren't similar?
-=::[Eagle-Vision]::=-
Banned
I know I'm late to the thread but, what's the problem with a character causing sexual arousal? What's wrong with that?
KirbYuuYuu
Member
I will warn you that loli is usually used in a derogatory manner here, so even though you used it in a more appropriate manner, I'm not sure if that is the right choice of words.
Edit: Cheerleaders are not idols.
I don't think anyone really is. This topic, however, clearly isn't about that type of fanservice -- it's about the more common definition among Japanese games.
-Tom
Avoided playing skull girls for a really long ass time because of fanservice, people kept telling me it was a solid fighting game eventually bought it and enjoy it (it was dirt cheap on a steam sale), but i dislike strongly most of the cast, Valentine is the worst offender.
Still to this day refuse to play Bayonetta because of bayo's design.
It's not a moral crusade, i just don't like games getting this blatant.
Still to this day refuse to play Bayonetta because of bayo's design.
It's not a moral crusade, i just don't like games getting this blatant.
Not even remotely. I'm even more certain they're NOT similar seeing them right next to one another, in fact.
The first is clearly contextualized as a nonsexualized Japanese idol outfit, whereas the second is clearly contextualized as a sexualized Western cheerleader outfit.
Culturally, they are entirely dissimilar. In terms of the amount of skin showing, they are entirely dissimilar (surely you can see that the second image is showing WAY more skin!). And in terms of the intent behind them, they are entirely dissimilar.
I cannot even comprehend comparing the two, honestly.
-Tom
BluePigGanon
Member
-=::[Eagle-Vision]::=-;184828475 said:
I'd be curious to see if anyone has a good answer for you.
Ohmygoditsjrod
Banned
Welp. The word loli and and anime figure has been dropped. Time to bail.
Moral Panic
Member
Yes I agree. You also have to remember that all Anita says is that it "is unfortunate" they chose that image. Not that it was filth that should be destroyed. Everyone can see that in advertising a dancing game you will use sexualised images, but attaching one to an attendee badge is rightfully seen as not being in the greatest of tastes.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
She's just a walking fashion model sketch in a dominatrix outfit. All her poses are made ridiculous purposefully, you're just really missing out. Least sexual character, Mario gets me more excited.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
You know, I wasn't even particularly of the mind that her outfit was sexual or anything, until I saw it from that different angle. The top tied under the exposed bra is kind of damning.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
What else could they advertise? Atlus does the badges ever year.
Which is why they didn't. The image they used is not sexualized in the slightest -- she looks like a dancer. Which is pretty much what she should look like, since it's a dancing game.
Is there any image from Dancing All Night that would've been MORE appropriate? I mean, that just seems like a wholly tame image to me. Nothing unfortunate about it -- it represents the product well.
-Tom
MarmaladeChainsaw
Neo Member
Oh come on, the only difference is that Nigri has bare shoulders, she isn't showing way more skin at all. if Rise's costume is supposed to be nonsexualised then why is her top open with her bra exposed?
Excellent post.
The difference being that most HS Cheerleading outfits don't look like that wheras most Idol outfits do look like Rise's. So one is super idealized and the other isn't.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
That requires that we buy into the idea that idol outfits like that aren't sexualized though. This feels like its starting to get circular.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
Honestly man I feel like you're going too hard on this. I get the idea but why are there things like idol dakimakura or gravure albums if there's zero sexuality in it?
It's one of the main characters of the game and it's about her grappling with the Japanese idol world, and they dress that way often. I'll say that it's probably slightly more sexual than a lot of performance outfits (I am not a huge Idol guy so I might be wrong) but I think that's mostly for visual interest, like the zippers on the stockings, that's not to make it latexy or fetishy but just to put something there.
I mean look at the image of Koharu I linked earlier, https://welshjapanotaku.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/koharu.jpg I don't have a huge problem with this outfit. You lose the Bikini top and unbuttoned top on Rise and it's much more standard looking. Put some fake medals on there for visual interest, she's the commander of my heart doki doki fucking whatever.
I dunno, it's a video game character, so it's on the badge for a video game convention. I don't see the problem. One Otakon there was a Dragon Age badge, I had a much bigger problem with that.
Bikini Top! It's different. It's obviously worse to be seen in your underwear than your bathing suit.
I work on a really weird scale, for example i have no problem with Lollipop chainsaw because, well, to put it bluntly, everything is stupid in that game, but as in, stupid on purpose, all the blatant sexiness and violence and everything about this game is so ridiculous and handed with comedy and low level satire, it makes it easier to turn off my brain and just have fun.
Bayo is on a weird spot where it's like "we're not trying to be serious about it, but we kinda also are" that makes me feel a bit more critical, and it comes to me as less of a satire or sexual empowerment and more as "sex sells", and it kinda bothers me when i feel pandered to.
Yes, i know Bayo is supposed to be a female power fantasy, but that's not the point of the thread, the thread is asking if fan service specially bothers me and since bayo makes me feel like it's trying to "trick" me into trying it cause "it's sexy,lol", then it bothers me.
Green Mamba
Member
So having one's top open is inherently sexual, then?
If that's the case, then what about two-piece swimsuits? Are they inherently sexual, since they're basically nothing but underwear?
Having an open top is pretty standard for performers because it helps with air circulation and prevents excess sweating. It's not sexual, it's practical. In much the way a two-piece swimsuit is practical because it allows for greater mobility in the water.
It is we who sexualize these outfits. They themselves are not sexual.
Because of slimy music producers trying to make a quick buck.
Everything is sexualized for money at some point. But that doesn't mean its intent is to be sexual -- it just means someone MADE it sexual somewhere along the line, because they realized they could appeal to the lowest common denominator for a quick buck.
-Tom
Let me get this straight. You are okay with Lollipop Chainsaw because it's stupid, and you think Bayonetta is taking itself seriously?
Literally gigantic red boobs.
ZoltanXerxes
Member
The only thing I can think of where fan service bothered me was in Silent Hill Homecoming where
He wasn't even part of the story. But in most cases, it doesn't bother me.
they had to throw in Pyramid Head for know reason at all.
Newtype-001
Member
Yes I'm playing with a controller not my dick.
Idrc
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
I guess? Sort of makes it seem like a younger kids game when it's not is all. I mean I guess we could add an animal mascot to every thing ever and just show it off instead of actual designs.
Kero Kero kids you'll love Wizard Barristers
Fair enough, but I just didn't find Bayonetta sexy at all. Something about her body just put me off.
cosmicblizzard
Banned
Boom. And Teddie's more recognizable and iconic anyway, so yeah.
Personally, I'd be for this, but from an advertising standpoint, Atlus seems to use the face of the game. M Bison Teddie was the face of Arena and so they used that for the badge. Rise is the face of DAN.
Eh, it's the general gist, but it's more like, Bayoneta is not silly/stupid enough, yes i know bayo is not exactly a "super serial" game.
Like i said, it's a weird scale, it's how one can enjoy really stupid movies cause they are fun, yet be critical of smarter movies for other reasons.
Razzorn34
Member
-=::[Eagle-Vision]::=-;184828475 said:
This is the real question. I doubt anyone answers you though. It's too real of a question for the people complaining to answer.
Myself? I love it. All fan service does is add another layer to whatever I'm already enjoying. I've never come across any game that would make me think different.
MarmaladeChainsaw
Neo Member
The mental gymnastics are astounding.
Green Mamba
Member
It's Teddie, dude. Come on.
Looking back on Atlus's badges they seem to shift between sexy stuff and Teddie so they should have just used the Teddie dancing picture and combine them like we've always wanted.
That said, Bayonetta isn't made to tittilate
M1ch04c4n0
Banned
-=::[Eagle-Vision]::=-;184828475 said:
Some people can't act smug when show off their video games to friends and family members when there is anything like the "Am I kawaii ~ ugu" comic strip in the game.
Is just the need to feel that the time and money they have spent is justified. If the medium is childish and juvenile, then is nothing but child's games and time wasters.
And that terrifies a good portion of the 'core' crowd. See: pushing "e-gaming" and trying to make it a "legitime" sport.
I can't speak for everyone that looks down upon fanservice, but simplifying it to people having some kind of issue with it because it causes sexual arousal is pretty telling of the miscommunication that goes on often in these threads. It doesn't help that there is constant needless antagonising, and unnecessary callbacks to it, when it can simply be ignored.
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
I don't have a problem with your suggestion but I don't have a problem with the original either so I was just throwing something out there.
come on, Don't drop to shitty insults like this. I don't agree w/ everything he is saying (I am not into Idol stuff or Moe in general so I don't know if he's right or not) but you can at least respect his opinion and not do this shitty arrogant I'm better than you stuff. Its why these threads die...
cosmicblizzard
Banned
I think they should just fire Atlus, hire NISA and make Monokuma the badge every single year.
There's a reason why they made Bayonetta with a one-button mode
it's all in good fun, don't get angry
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Breasts aren't sexual. They serve to feed babies. It is you who is sexualizing them. Stop being a perv.
xD
NotGivingMyNameToADamnCom
Banned
I don't think calling it "mental gymnastics" is without merit. Especially in regards to the chasteness point.
Okay but that's still part of the process. Rise has photobooks too I'm sure. Part of being an idol is photobooks, it's part of the culture. So it's a bit to say "well my idealized view of idols are not sexualized" well sure, fine, but in reality photo books exist. I'm a fan of Dempa Gumi Inc. and as far as I've heard they leave it up to individual choice if they do photo sets like that and I think only really Moga does because she was a Gravure Model before the group.
Fanservice (or violence or that matter) has yet to put me off I enjoyed or was the reason why I didn't like said thing. I'm very indifferent about it. If a piece of media is good, then it's good. If it isn't, well, that's too bad. If fanservice adds something, cool. If it doesn't, then it's whatever, I just don't mind it either way. Although because everyone has different values and opinions, I do understand why it's a problem for some people. I prefer to watch anime, play games, etc. alone and if someone were to come in while I was playing or watching something that had content in it they didn't like, I'd eventually go play or watch something else soon after that person came in out of respect for that person. Of course, if they don't mind or aren't put off by it, then nothing changes.
From my perspective, it's impossible to get rid of sex in media. You can hide it or want it to go away all you want, but it certainly won't go away anytime soon. The way to go about it is to balance it out. Meaning more female characters in appropriate contextualized attire and more male protagonists in mainstream games made with female gaze in mind this way everyone has their own share of fun and what not.
It depends really. If my friends are over then it won't really matter what's played. Although yes, I do like to play games by myself as it helps me bring me into the game's world a bit more versus hearing chatter in the background. In some cases, yes a couple of my friends and I have played the multiplayer of Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus together. We played it like any other game we played together. Nothing was any different than if we play anything else. Although if anything, if it's a new game, we might joke about the physics if it's all over the place like SK or DOA.
From my perspective, it's impossible to get rid of sex in media. You can hide it or want it to go away all you want, but it certainly won't go away anytime soon. The way to go about it is to balance it out. Meaning more female characters in appropriate contextualized attire and more male protagonists in mainstream games made with female gaze in mind this way everyone has their own share of fun and what not.
It depends really. If my friends are over then it won't really matter what's played. Although yes, I do like to play games by myself as it helps me bring me into the game's world a bit more versus hearing chatter in the background. In some cases, yes a couple of my friends and I have played the multiplayer of Senran Kagura Shinovi Versus together. We played it like any other game we played together. Nothing was any different than if we play anything else. Although if anything, if it's a new game, we might joke about the physics if it's all over the place like SK or DOA.
If the people I'm hanging out with are fine with it sure. But as I live with 2 younger sisters (13 and 6) I can't bring myself to show anything with fanservice or even violence (like stabs or blood flying) around them. I keep it PG rated. I'm just very mindful around my personal surroundings and who I'm with. I have two friends that are against T&A in media and just talking about it drives him up a wall. In their case, it's due to religious beliefs so we tend to avoid talking about anything with fanservice in it just so we they don't have to complain about it (unless that was the intent haha). But other than that, it's not a problem. My friends and I watch anime all the time and unless it's a really bad scene that's dragging on way to long, nobody really cares. We don't watch ecchi/primarily fanservice based shows together anyway. Only time we really did that was with Bikini Warriors to see how laughably bad it was and the episodes were about 3 minutes long so it didn't matter. Other than that, nobody really watches them other than me since I watch almost every genre.