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NPD Sales Results for October 2015 [Up1: Xbox #1]
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zesty is the strongest weeb game! ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
A near pointless factor. Such costs are relatively trivial.
Its all about perception, although SE did not advertise this at all so who knows what the general perception is. I will say that DQH is at a notable disadvantage regardless. While being a polished rpg comparing it to action rpgs like Bloodborne or Witcher 3....its just not going to hold.
My point still stands. If this was DQ11 you could have an argument here but it isn't and you are predictably jumping to conclusions.
Judging the JRPG audience on PS4 on niche JRPG's as well as presuming its state is static is silly. Tales of Zestiria's debut was 2 times that of Vesperia's, and the PS4 is not nearly as US centric as the 360. Tales is known to have an European fanbase. ToX did 230k+ in US + EU after 2 months. I know you won't be saying the same thing when Persona 5 launches and is a success beyond previous entries. If it isn't clear, brand name is also an important factor.
Pennywise83
Banned
The audience that should have been interested in the game knew the game "was not a Musou". Also, reviews were quite good, weren't they? The game has close to 80% average on Metacritic. I mean, SQEX showed the game at all main Western gaming events, so it should have been fine for a game targeted towards an audience that is informed about gaming.
Are 58k counting PS3+PS4? How much did Vesperia sold in its debut on 360?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
Does anyone have previous Just Dance debut #s? I know it typically sells in December, but I'm curious what previous releases did in their 1st month. Although JD2016 sales imply really paltry sales across all platforms...
Also does anyone have Four Swords Adventures debut #s?
Edit: I think I found it was 155,067? Is this correct for FSA on GameCube?
We do?
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Looking back its 1.6.
ToV - 37k
ToZ- 58k
ToX - 103k
ToX2 - 44k
ToGf - 63k
A thread on a gaming board does not dictate the entire audience. SE's marketing was the minimum and thats fine. No point throwing money at a game whose ceiling is quite low already and when future releases are pretty much guaranteed to come (DQ11).
The main point is that neither of them will be used to determine the series' future in the West. The game that will do that is DQ11.
gundamkyoukai
Member
TOZ numbers are in line with other tales games .
Also chances are it sold more on PS4 than 3 since PS3 is dead in the west .
Then there was also a PC version this time .
DarkLordMalik
Member
A company expecting their game belonging to a niche series to do gangbusters without marketing? Now I have seen everything.
The PC version is an important point in its own as it likely had an affect on the sales. Not to mention the pirated version was also avaliable same day. After the discussion related to piracy, my brain is fried.
I mentioned in a previous post that I don't think that there are more than 1.5 million PS4's sitting in stores. So 27.8 million sold through is very possible. My point is the PS4 continues to sell really well worldwide despite doing relatively mediocre numbers in the US.
Pennywise83
Banned
If 58k units is PS3+PS4, then the PS4 version might be the worst selling SKU for a Tales of game since 2008. I would assume that PS3 sales are still ok for the franchise since the fanbase has been clearly there - Dawn of the New World sold 97k in its first month also.
gundamkyoukai
Member
I have to ask why would you think the PS3 version sold more ?
Tales is hardcore game and people like that normally upgrade first .
If it's anything the norm is next gen version out selling the last gen counter part .
Pennywise83
Banned
Well, PS3 receives a Tales game on a yearly basis in the past few years, so it's quite safe to assume Tales fanbase is pretty anchored to PS3 - of course they might have all moved but I would expect that Tales fanbase will migrate slower to PS4 given the lack of similar games on the platform - and being Zestiria multi doesn't provide an incentive to do so. I might be wrong, that's why I assume this. If you have any other factor which should be taken into account than "it's an hardcore game", I'll be glad to discuss it.
Omnistalgic
Member
yeah, I agree, Sony is doing very well - average in U.S most months. Still need a big exclusive with very strong appeal. Don't want third parties dominating all year round.
SFV - February
UC4 - March
PSVR - Spring/Fall
GTSport - Fall?
FF15 - ??
All very curious about the NPD for these releases and what they do to PS4 hardware in the months of release. Ironically, VR may have the best chance at capturing U.S audience, we know Americans love social play, even if it does have a novelty effect that wears off, could be a nice "Kinect" moment for Sony.
Ubisoft please stop yearly releasing your games. Is this how AAA studios are made? They have to "strike" while the iron's hot so to speak and rake in as much money as possible? Doesn't seem sustainable for most types of games.
I don't think anyone can disagree with that: US sales aren't the biggest contributor to PS4 sales, that's Europe and ROTW. Certainly, I wasn't denying that. What I was saying is just that, even when considering that, last quarter must have seen a huge overshipment from Sony (due to the price cut coming shortly after the quarter's end as well).
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
No, 97k in 2 months. Once again an illogical statement as the PS3 SKU would undoubtedly effect the sales of the PS4 SKU.
Well, there would be one way to solve this: knowing what's the split between PS3 and PS4. Cream, pls
P.S. So relived to see you back in action.
gundamkyoukai
Member
How about BN making a next gen version to begin with for the west .
DarkLordMalik
Member
You keep forgetting Pc SKU. I am sure it had a bigger impact than PS3.
Kresnik258
Member
Just regarding the Disgaea numbers, keep in mind that NPD doesn't track sales through NISA's online store.
It isn't going to be massive figures, but there's probably a couple of thousand in there between normal versions and the LE's.
It isn't going to be massive figures, but there's probably a couple of thousand in there between normal versions and the LE's.
Pennywise83
Banned
Ok cool. What was its first month?
NB did very well in bringing the PS3 version in the West, unlike SQEX. I've said plenty of times that during this transition phase, for small RPG games, PS3+Ps4 would be ideal - people told me that PS4 was instead ready of welcoming the genre.
That was a good idea, indeed - they have to start somewhere.
Kresnik258
Member
Given that in the UK, PS4 version sold like 4-5k and the PS3 version didn't even chart in the top 40 (in fact it charted at #3 in PS3 games for the week, behind FIFA 16 and LEGO Dimensions), I'm struggling to believe that the PS3 version sales were "okay" in the USA given the similarities between the two markets.
Keep in mind PS4 version was sold at a higher price too.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
That too.
All being said ToZ West sales should be around 200k in total (PC+PS4+PS3) which is decent as ToX did 230k in 2 months in the West and I believe ToX to be the driving factor for Namco's increased focus on the West with the Tales franchise.
No idea. I highly doubt the PS3 version accounts for much. Disgaea 5 transitioned very well despite being PS4 exclusive as well.
gundamkyoukai
Member
It should be over 200k unless you not talking about EU when you say the west .
Fifa, CoD, Fallout, MGS5, GTAV and other games?
Multiplatform games. XB1 gamers are likely waiting until next month for Fallout 4, Battlefront, and Black Ops III same as the PS4 gamers.
BOIII is doing a bit better than AW. Far from what old COD used to sell, but still huge numbers for a game per se, and Fallout 4 is killing it. Battlefront is out tomorrow.
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
391k (AC: BF did 620k within 5 days)
Not looking at those numbers it didn't. I think this is the first time Disgaea's selling worse in America in than in Japan, and D5 bombed in Japan too. NIS is sorta fucked.
Sammy Samusu
Member
Steam will save DQH.
Given the small gap, and what happened last October (14), we actually can't know that.
It probablpy helped a little, but far FAR less than what would normally be expected.
Particularly considering that for reason X the PS4 actually disappointed with the price cut.
igordennis
Member
And 1.2 million (iirc) on the following month due to the PS4/XB1 versions launching.
ShogunDarius
Member
sörine;185652035 said:
I wonder if we are slowly getting to a point where niche games are only profitable because of the costly CE's?
slavesnyder
Member
I think the real reason for the price cut was: they wanted to hit 300 on black friday but were aware that a rebump to 400 after that would hurt christmas massively. so they made half the step to 350 before, can now go down to 300 on BF and can go up to 350 after that, being on a still attractive pricepoint, open for 300-promos whenever it seems to fit.
Makes sense?
sörine;185652035 said:
disgaea usually launches worse in america and generally sells worse in america until really late in the generation on some entries. this is the first time the american launch month beats out the japanese launch month.
we'll have to see how disgaea does on steam next to see if they can find a new second home (since vita is going to fade away soon).
leatherhat
Member
sörine;185652035 said:
Do we even have any numbers on other Disgaea releases?
Kenzodielocke
Banned
So now JRPGs on PS4 are doomed, because ToZ and D5 did not sell well ? Is this the new narrative we are going with?
The Last One
Member
You can bet they'll use this from now on to prove that the PS4 don't have a jrpg crowd.
sörine;185627753 said:
I would have thought Sony coming that ahead of Microsoft this gen will somehow improve Japanese games performance in the West. Turns out that it only double down on AAA Western titles, with them selling record-breaking sales for each iterations.
These days, for the health of Japanese developers, I will heartily advocate Asia, PC and generally multiplatform releases.
People have a distorted view of piracy. Studies have shown that for film, TV, and music piracy helps small and mid-sized productions and hurts large scale ones only in a minor way. It gets the products in front of people and creates fans. That is why you see companies like HBO not caring about Game of Thrones torrents. I think the misunderstanding comes from the propaganda and the collapse in music sales. Music $ declined because of the death of the CD, which had nothing to do with piracy.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
so which disgaea will launch on steam?
leatherhat
Member
They didn't even sell badly.
Oh I agree that it makes sense to hit $299 for BF, we just have to wait for Nov numbers to see if indeed some sales might have been delayed from Oct to Nov (we will never know for sure obviously, but we could have an idea).
d2
70k
50k
d1
d4
40k
d5
dd2
d5's numbers don't tell the full story though (no digital sales or nisa's online store sales). neither do d4's (no nisa's online store sales). couldn't find d3's numbers either.