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NPD Sales Results for December 2015 [Up1: Super Mario Maker]

Mass Effect marketing is already locked for Xbox actually. At least that's what the last Mass Effect Andromeda video is telling us. This is the EA channel and the Xbox logo is already shining at the end. I doubt Sony can swipe this one. This and Gears 4 will probably be the two biggest ammo for next Xbox holiday.

Makes sense given the series roots, and the fact that Casey Hudson now works at MS. I'm betting it will be similar to what they had with Fallout 4: Marketing, no timed DLC, it will come with ME1 via BC (maybe the whole trilogy if they get multi disc working), and maybe a bundle.
 

RexNovis

Banned
I didn't said likes WRPG more, they like Mass Effect more, but Fallout 4 sold more on Xbox One despite 1.3 million less consoles, and Fallout never had the same connection with Xbox that ME has.

It did? NPD has PS4 on top and the split according to CS was 52.41% on PS4 with 3666k sales. Obviously this doesn't include bundles but considering the higher price of the bundle I don't really think it's a forgone conclusion that the bundled sales are enough to give XB1 the edge sales wise.
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
Still far behind Monshou no Nazo on SNES (776k).

Oh, my bad.

It did? NPD has PS4 on top and the split according to CS was 52.41% on PS4 with 3666k sales. Obviously this doesn't include bundles but considering the higher price of the bundle I don't really think it's a forgone conclusion that the bundled sales are enough to give XB1 the edge sales wise.

Fallout bundle sold 156,000 in November.

It only need to sell 20k in December for beat the PS4 version.

So, yes is not confirmed, but is very unlucky the PS4 version sold more.
 

RexNovis

Banned
Oh, my bad.



Fallout bundle sold 156,000 in November.

It only need to sell 20k in December for beat the PS4 version.

So, yes is not confirmed, but is very unlucky the PS4 version sold more.

52% of 3666k is 1906k
If XB1 sold 48% (which it didn't as there are bound to be some PC retail sales no matter how small) that would be 1760k
Soooo unless my math is wrong the bundle would have had to sell 146k minimum to outsell PS4 for the month. I mean that's cutting it pretty damn close.

Maybe we could get some info on the number of Fallout Bundles sold in December or the split including bundles? Perhaps Cream or NDP will be nice enough to grace us with that info.
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
52% of 3666k is 1906k
If XB1 sold 48% (which it didn't as there are bound to be some PC retail sales no matter how small) that would be 1760k
Soooo unless my math is wrong the bundle would have had to sell 140k minimum to outsell PS4 for the month.

I edited.

Btw, PC sales are not included, so XB1 version is ~1745k, not < 1745k.

December + November withouth bundle:
PS4 - 1,921,000
XB1 - 1,745,000

Add 156,000 from XB1 bundle in November, 1,901,000.

So, with >20k in December, XB1 version is over PS4.
 
I'm not even saying that Mass Effect Andromeda will sell more on XBO, I'm saying that ME has more appeal with Xbox One audience.



I don't think is true, at least not anymore. With a new generation everything has been reset. Which ever console gets the bundle will likely sell the most in the U.S. If there is no bundle then the PS4 will sell the most. Of course no contest worldwide.
 

RexNovis

Banned
I edited.

Btw, PC sales are not included, so XB1 version is ~1745k, not < 1745k.

December + November withouth bundle:
PS4 - 1,921,000
XB1 - 1,745,000

Add 156,000 from XB1 bundle in November, 1,901,000.

So, with >20k in December, XB1 version is over PS4.

Oh ok I see where you're coming from now.
 
Of course this is NPD, but we have to keep in mind that EA also wants to sell Mass Effect outside the US.

Is it thinkable to split a marketing deal? MS only making US, Sony rest of the world?
Did this ever happen on another game?
 
Of course this is NPD, but we have to keep in mind that EA also wants to sell Mass Effect outside the US.

Is it thinkable to split a marketing deal? MS only making US, Sony rest of the world?
Did this ever happen on another game?

It will sell outside of the U.S. regardless of who gets the marketing deal. It might as be PS4 console exclusive in a lot markets.
 
Of course this is NPD, but we have to keep in mind that EA also wants to sell Mass Effect outside the US.

Is it thinkable to split a marketing deal? MS only making US, Sony rest of the world?
Did this ever happen on another game?

This probably won't happen but I kind of remember a bit of a split with The Witcher 3 as PS4 footage and promo was widely available before launch.

However, EA know that they will always sell more WW on the PS4 with Mass Effect.

So why not get those sweet desperate MS dollars and let them do all the promotion while still selling gangbusters on the worlds most global console.

If I'm an EA exec, I know what I'm doing to make a profit deal.
 
It will sell outside of the U.S. regardless of who gets the marketing deal.

If you put it that way I can't argue against it.

It might as be PS4 console exclusive in a lot markets.
For this, the IP is too big/prestigious I guess. MS will make sure it ships everywhere.

However, EA know that they will always sell more WW on the PS4 with Mass Effect.
So why not get those sweet desperate MS dollars and let them do all the promotion while still selling gangbusters on the worlds most global console.
If I'm an EA exec, I know what I'm doing to make a profit deal.
True.
So if EA gives ME to MS for PR in US on XB, ME on PS will WW sell OK.
 

Cornbread78

Member
This probably won't happen but I kind of remember a bit of a split with The Witcher 3 as PS4 footage and promo was widely available before launch.

However, EA know that they will always sell more WW on the PS4 with Mass Effect.

So why not get those sweet desperate MS dollars and let them do all the promotion while still selling gangbusters on the worlds most global console.

If I'm an EA exec, I know what I'm doing to make a profit deal.


Is that EA x MS "unprecedented partnership" still active?

Do they get first choice? Did they choose FO4 bundle over BF3, or did Sony just pay up to continue their Battlefield relationship.
 
Split marketing deals happens with stuff like FIFA.

America and Europe are Xbox, but in Asia it's marketed alongside PlayStation.

With that being said, something like ME will be a global marketing deal.
 
Is that EA x MS "unprecedented partnership" still active?

Do they get first choice? Did they choose FO4 bundle over BF3, or did Sony just pay up to continue their Battlefield relationship.

EA if you ask me are in a perfect position due to the mega standing of their IP's moving forward.
They have Star Wars, Battlefield, Mass Effect and Dragon Age which can all be hardware boosting software with an effective marketing approach.

That unprecedented partnership with MS isn't so iron clad if we see how Sony scooped up the Battlefront deal, but in my view this was strategically to pair a truly global IP with the global console for best results.

I could still see something like Titanfall 2 on Sony's E3 stage but overall, EA can pick and choose how to dish those franchises out for maximum exposure combined with reduced marketing spend.
 
We don't know if MS really wanted Battlefront. Some said that they only wanted one big FPS, Halo, and FallOut was the better match.

In hindsight that thought would have been stupid, but we will never know.
The next big marketing deals will show if MS are still first class citizens to EA, or if they treat them both equally. (I estimate the latter)
 
We don't know if MS really wanted Battlefront. Some said that they only wanted one big FPS, Halo, and FallOut was the better match.

In hindsight that thought would have been stupid, but we will never know.
The next big marketing deals will show if MS are still first class citizens to EA, or if they treat them both equally. (I estimate the latter)

If it was the 360 days I guarantee my left nut Star Wars would have been marketed there, even with the same lineup.
 

QaaQer

Member
It's asinine. It'd be like bemoaning a big budget Marvel movie grossing more than a foreign art film. So you like different things than the market at large! Good for you. Why is that "depressing?" Oh, because you conflate that with an assumption that your tastes are somehow superior, as an "enlightened gamer." This is the kind of cringeworthy attitude that spawns threads like this.

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I really don't like neo-Disney's unstoppable train of buying and shitifying every big entertainment property, and the knock on effects within other companies who are trying to ape them. Am I asisnine for wishing they would fail and we'd get less corporate garbage sucking up financing and talent?

Believe it or not, there was a time when big budget R rated movies existed and directors like David Lynch could get financing; a time when people like Stanley Kubrick could become cultural icons without having to make Batman films. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't remember the last time a well financed, really interesting movie found wide success, maybe Inception? I guess that makes me hipster and cringeworthy.


Edit: and the irony of your username, lol.
 
Edit: and the irony of your username, lol.
Curious, what does this mean? Was I trolling? I was being totally sincere with my response. You're welcome to your opinion, but opinions don't have intrinsic merit. There's a difference between wishing that well-written, thought-provoking films would attain great mass-market success and holding others' tastes as inferior to your own as a result of your preferred media's subpar performance.
 
The Order was the best $20 ever! You guys are crazy.

Knack though? Nah, just couldn't get into it after 6-7 hours. Maybe I'll pick it up one day or play it if it ever comes to ps+
 

kinoki

Illness is the doctor to whom we pay most heed; to kindness, to knowledge, we make promise only; pain we obey.
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I really don't like neo-Disney's unstoppable train of buying and shitifying every big entertainment property, and the knock on effects within other companies who are trying to ape them. Am I asisnine for wishing they would fail and we'd get less corporate garbage sucking up financing and talent?

Believe it or not, there was a time when big budget R rated movies existed and directors like David Lynch could get financing; a time when people like Stanley Kubrick could become cultural icons without having to make Batman films. Maybe I'm not looking hard enough, but I can't remember the last time a well financed, really interesting movie found wide success, maybe Inception? I guess that makes me hipster and cringeworthy.

Those are trends. There was a time that Disney produced Cinderella 3 too. They're creative now. Movies are more fun now than ever and I think that is more because it's so easy now to see movies (Netflix and the like) that it's hardly worth it to go and pay the steep price of a ticket. You have to invest the consumer. There will be a reaction to this with a new Spielberg, Scorsese and Coppola. But we're still some time due for that change. This isn't unhealthy. It's natural. And as long as it produces something the market wants its sustainable.
 
I don't think is true, at least not anymore. With a new generation everything has been reset. Which ever console gets the bundle will likely sell the most in the U.S. If there is no bundle then the PS4 will sell the most. Of course no contest worldwide.

The Witcher 3 is a really good example of this. The PS3 never got The Witcher 2 and Microsoft had marketing rights to the third iteration. You would expect the XB1 version to sell more, but instead we saw the complete opposite. In fact, the split is actually a tad skewed towards the PS4.
 

allan-bh

Member
I edited.

Btw, PC sales are not included, so XB1 version is ~1745k, not < 1745k.

December + November withouth bundle:
PS4 - 1,921,000
XB1 - 1,745,000

Add 156,000 from XB1 bundle in November, 1,901,000.

So, with >20k in December, XB1 version is over PS4.

52,1% of 3666k represents ~1910k for PS4 version, meaning ~1756k for Xbox One counterpart. Just with bundle sales for november Xbox One version sold more.
 

Loudninja

Member
Top PSN Downloads for December:
1 Star Wars Battlefront
2 Call of Duty: Black Ops III
3 Final Fantasy VII
4 Grand Theft Auto V
5 Tom Clancy’s Rainbow Six Siege
6 Need for Speed
7 Minecraft: PlayStation 4 Edition
8 Rocket League
9 LittleBigPlanet 3
10 Madden NFL 16
11 Fallout 4
12 Just Cause 3
13 The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
14 Dragon Ball Xenoverse
15 Destiny
16 NBA 2K16
17 The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited
18 MONOPOLY PLUS
19 Wolfenstein: The New Order
20 Assassin’s Creed Chronicles: China
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2016/01/20/playstation-stores-top-downloads-of-2015/
 
That's not bad for Just Cause. I was actually expecting to to be in the top 10 so it's a bit lower then what I would have personally pegged it to debut at.
 
Had a thought...

Can the first party exclusive franchises basically be considered niche this gen? Halo, Bloodborne, Forza?

Are exclusives now what the mid-tier games were last gen? Not amazing sellers, but nice middle of the road sellers appealing to a more niche crowd?
My first thought was that exclusives have always been niche, mid-tier stuff. I guess nowadays there's stuff like Uncharted, but I'd consider Bloodborne to be a niche, mid-tier game, and I think that looking back, stuff like that has always been the biggest of the exclusives.

Yeah, stuff like Gran Turismo and Halo or even Uncharted and Gears are things, but I typically think of stuff like Bloodborne or Dreams or Wipeout or Carnage Heart or Journey when I think about exclusives. Then "multi-platform" would be the lowest-common-denominator stuff like Madden, CoD, Batman, etc.; Top-Ten Stuff, basically.

According to NPD Group data, this year hardware bundle sales were up by 500,000 units, or around 2% of game sales year-over-year.

Bundles are becoming an increasingly attractive value proposition for the average American consumer interested in software.
Sorry, but the placement of the phrase "year over year" has me a bit confused. Are you saying game sales totaled 25M units, including copies moved with bundles? 500k was 2% of the total? What about bundles that come with two or three games? Did they count double/triple towards that 500k?


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Takeaways:

  • 87 fewer titles released on PS4 and Xbox One than time aligned PS3 and Xbox 360 (20% fewer disc based games this gen vs last)
  • 86 fewer titles have released with GameRanking scores at 69.9 or below
  • 39 titles released this gen have not been reviewed, compared to only 4 last gen (title must have 5 or more reviews to be included as "reviewed")
  • Higher review scores are more likely on PS4 and Xbox One as a % of all review scores given
  • 33% of games released this gen have scored an 80.0 or above, versus 31% of games released last gen
Good stuff. <3 So to be clear, Conclusion 4 is compared to PS360, and says scores are generally higher this gen?

The first two points would seem to indicate that what went missing at retail were the crappy sub-70 games, and Conclusion 4 would seem to support that. Further, the final conclusion would also support the idea that rather than getting a higher number of "excellent" games, we've mostly just eliminated the crap. That said, there are fewer 80+ titles than last gen, but again, those drops are somewhat dwarfed by the drop in lower-quality releases. However the huge caveat to all of this is the fact that a lot of games are simply going unreviewed this generation when compared to last, which makes our gen-over-gen comparison a lot less apples-to-apples.

Caveat aside though, it does seem like most of what was lost was the critically weaker games, and the heavy hitters haven't really gone anywhere regardless of what's happening further down the chain.
 

Ryng_tolu

Banned
Caveat aside though, it does seem like most of what was lost was the critically weaker games, and the heavy hitters haven't really gone anywhere regardless of what's happening further down the chain.

It seems like this, but what baffles me is one of Cosmics bulletpoints:

[*]39 titles released this gen have not been reviewed, compared to only 4 last gen (title must have 5 or more reviews to be included as "reviewed")

So, there were less titles overall, and of those remarcably more titles stayed unreviewed.
What if those titles were exactly the dumb ones which would have gotten low scores? But they are not rated, for that not counting and the overall ratings statistic looks better for that.
Maybe reviewers want to / can only concentrate on the good stuff nowerdays because there is so much going on with downloadable and mobile.
 
It seems like this, but what baffles me is one of Cosmics bulletpoints:



So, there were less titles overall, and of those remarcably more titles stayed unreviewed.
What if those titles were exactly the dumb ones which would have gotten low scores? But they are not rated, for that not counting and the overall ratings statistic looks better for that.
Maybe reviewers want to / can only concentrate on the good stuff nowerdays because there is so much going on with downloadable and mobile.
Sure, but even if you assume the 35 titles that got "skipped" by the critics this gen are all sub-60 rather than assuming a more natural distribution, we still lost more from the crappy end of the spectrum than we lost from the nice end. Games in the 80+ range are actually rare enough that variation there can probably be mostly explained by reviewers just being more or less stingy with their 10s over time.
 

00ich

Member
So, there were less titles overall, and of those remarkably more titles stayed unreviewed.
What if those titles were exactly the dumb ones which would have gotten low scores? But they are not rated, for that not counting and the overall ratings statistic looks better for that.
Maybe reviewers want to / can only concentrate on the good stuff nowadays because there is so much going on with downloadable and mobile.

I can see how reviewing mediocre games just doesn't generate enough traffic to be economical.

Unless they are exclusives
 
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