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Bernie can win in 2016

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ZealousD

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theignoramus said:
I think the fear mongering about his socialist label can be mitigated if he doubles down on the fact that polls suggest the American population actually agrees with almost all of his major proposals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-americans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/

Americans generally back his agenda.
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It's not important whether or not America backs his agenda or not. What matters is whether they think they do.

Sort of like how the vast majority people actually agree with almost everything in Obamacare but a slight majority is actually against it anyway.
 
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dabig2

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theignoramus said:
I think the fear mongering about his socialist label can be mitigated if he doubles down on the fact that polls suggest the American population actually agrees with almost all of his major proposals.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/06/12/bernie-sanders-says-americans-back-his-agenda-and-hes-mostly-right/

Americans generally back his agenda.
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Yep. This is where the education and dialogue comes into play. Though I feel Bernie needs to do a much better job when it comes to that.
 
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Inuhanyou

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ZealousD said:
It's not important whether or not America backs his agenda or not. What matters is whether they think they do.

Sort of like how the vast majority people actually agree with almost everything in Obamacare but a slight majority is actually against it anyway.
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Not everyone is for Obamacare, and they should not be. The ACA has huge problems. Not 'death panels', like how the GOP was fear mongering about, but the bloat and inefficiency of the system run by private corps is still prevalent and doesn't make much sense objectively. The things wrong before the ACA passed are generally still wrong about our modern system. Preexisting conditions law can still be avoided for example, through clever legal maneuvering
 
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Inuhanyou

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I really liked this article.

It showed how Bernie has drifted further to the mainstream over the years, and how he erroneously characterizes his own labeling with clear points about just how not hard left he is, especially in comparison to European countries, while simultaneously showing why he is nowhere near a 'radical lefty' as people try to dismiss him as.

The fact of the matter is, Bernie is not a socialist in reality, he's not even a democratic socialist. He's a social democrat and a progressive liberal with delusions of reforming our crony capitalist system that may be untenable, with the ability to actually be a pragmatic person without that being another word for bought and paid for.

http://www.salon.com/2016/01/16/ber...and_but_hes_a_democrat_in_every_way_but_name/
 
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sphagnum

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It is kind of odd to me that he insists on being called a democratic socialist when there's no real reason for him to do so. There's no particular benefit since "socialist" is an automatic negative in America. Among more progressive liberals it gives him that "edge" I guess but he could literally get more support just by calling himself a "social democrat" or just...progressive. If he was an actual socialist then it would be something worth applauding for taking a firm stance and sticking to it, but he's not actually a socialist so it's just kind of bizarre.

That said, I'm supporting him just for the fact that his candidacy is helping to destigmatize the term "socialist" even if it's for somewhat incorrect reasons, and his policies are closer to anything good than any other politician in the race by far, even if he's not anywhere near left enough.
 
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SoRuffShoNuff

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Inuhanyou said:
Not everyone is for Obamacare, and they should not be. The ACA has huge problems. Not 'death panels', like how the GOP was fear mongering about, but the bloat and inefficiency of the system run by private corps is still prevalent and doesn't make much sense objectively. The things wrong before the ACA passed are generally still wrong about our modern system. Preexisting conditions law can still be avoided for example, through clever legal maneuvering
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No, what he is saying is that when you take a lot of the people who are against obamacare to the point where they are voting for people that want to do nothing but repeal it and ask them line by line if they want to keep or abolish a certain aspect of the law, over and over again it's shown they actually prefer the program to what we had previously. So it doesn't matter that policy wise they like the ACA if the program is still stigmatized enough in their mind for them to irrationally want it repealed.

That's a huge problem Bernie will have with his socialist tag. A person could agree with his platform up and down, line by line, and still vote against him because of the socialist tag.
 
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Neoweee

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GameAddict411

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Neoweee said:
Why would you even post that?

The only way somebody can say that is if they have no meaningful understanding of what communism means.

FYI: The author of the article is credited as the author of a book that tries to blame liberal regulations for the financial collapse.
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I didn't believe what I was reading, but it's surprising to find it on the new York post. I thought you guys you would be interested in reading it lol.
 
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JustenP88

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GameAddict411 said:
I didn't believe what I was reading, but it's surprising to find it on the new York post. I thought you guys you would be interested in reading it lol.
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I'm not a New Yorker, but isn't the NY Post pretty much a glorified tabloid? Owned by Murdoch, perhaps?

This is exactly what you should expect to see in the Post.
 
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dabig2

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NYPost != NYTimes

just like how the Washington Post != Washington Times

for the same reasons, just reversed. Yeah, it can get confusing with these regional editorials.

JustenP88 said:
I'm not a New Yorker, but isn't the NY Post pretty much a glorified tabloid? Owned by Murdoch, perhaps?

This is exactly what you should expect to see in the Post.
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Yeah, Murdoch bought it decades ago and transformed it into a tabloid paper with a pretty noticeable conservative slant.
 
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GameAddict411

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JustenP88 said:
I'm not a New Yorker, but isn't the NY Post pretty much a glorified tabloid? Owned by Murdoch, perhaps?

This is exactly what you should expect to see in the Post.
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I don't live in new York either, and it probably why I thought the name gave it more credibility than it really has. Oh well, at least it's fun to read about how a delusional idiot thinks.
 
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He just preempted any attack campaign imaginable.

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Indicate

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Paskil said:
HRC was endorsed unanimously today by the 32 member board of HRC (Human Rights Campaign), the largest LGBT advocacy group in the country. Be interesting to see what impact, if any, all of these endorsements have in the primaries. I don't know about Bernie, but I assume both will be in at least until Super Tuesday. http://www.hrc.org/blog/human-rights-campaign-endorses-hillary-clinton-for-president
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This will generate more support for Bernie just like the Planned Parenthood and SEIU endorsements.
 
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Shoyz

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A lot of GAF really hates Bernie, wonder why.

I don't know much about politics, but favorability numbers are amazing for Bernie and horrible for Hillary (which has shown to be a consistent trend in winning), Bernie outdoes Hillary in general election matchup polls. He's gained 20+ points in the latest NH polls, and is a statistical tie with Hillary in Iowa, where I feel confident his excited supporters will actually show up when Hillary's stay home. Most polls seem to undersample Bernie's demographics (which are not age 45+ landlines).

I found out about him in the neogaf post last year about the isidewith poll where I got Bernie as a 98/99% match. Really excited to see him win Iowa and then blow out NH.
 
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DrRussian

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Amir0x said:
He can win, but he has a smaller percentage chance of winning than the alternative. The question to ask then is whether we want to take that risk given that he won't be able to pass a single of his Democratic Socialist ideals through Congress, so we'd essentially be voting for Supreme Court Nominations. Not one Bernie supporter has ever developed a gameplan to get a single progressive bill passed through Congress. Because it's essentially impossible.
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That's why he says voting him in is only part of it, you also have to vote in congressmen who would support it.
 
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Chariot

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Enter the Dragon Punch said:
As a Canadian I simply cannot understand why anyone voting democrat wouldn't choose Bernie. He is exactly what your country needs.
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As far as I understood quite some democrats who support Hillary over Bernie play it safe, because they think that Bernie can't. Can't win the election, can't do anything once in office. Furthermore the issue that far too many americans don't seem to understand how tax brackets work.

But his rise is amazing, when he wins Iowa and New Hampshire, he really has the potential to beat Hillary. When people see that he can win, those who want to keep it safe may be able to trust in Bernie and vote for him.
 
Vigilant Walrus

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Enter the Dragon Punch said:
As a Canadian I simply cannot understand why anyone voting democrat wouldn't choose Bernie. He is exactly what your country needs.
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As a European, I share the sentiment. Do it for your own sake America. Be brave. No matter what happens, keep the incentive going and mobilize in massive numbers that challenges the establishment, the media, congress and the two-party system. It involves getting the right people elected in the local election. As congress has had some of the lowest approval poll ratings ever recently, and some of the most unproductive years, a lot important laws are passed at the legislature level. That's where grassroots can elect and impact judges and officials who often run unopposed.

Noam Chomsky says it is a great error, if the momentum around the ideals in this Bernie campaign does not carry on after this presidential race is over. ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tHx3-CSLDU )
 
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