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For the consumer? None.
They have access to games they otherwise wouldn't? That's got to at least be a bit of a plus, no?
For the consumer? None.
Isn't that what MS bet on? That phone app demographic who want hassle free experience and not caring about modification.
I couldn't give a shit what storefront a game is tied to, if it's good I will give it a chance. Not buying a game just on that merit is petty as fuck.
I couldn't give a shit what storefront a game is tied to, if it's good I will give it a chance. Not buying a game just on that merit is petty as fuck.
Makes you wonder how many people are really interested in the actual game. And those who just want to say 'no steam, no buy'. At least those who wanted to play it will get the opportunity.Jezus christ. 32 pages already.
Meanwhile the Quantum Break preview thread "only" have 18 pages..
How is klicking "Play" on steam any harder than klicking "Play" in Microsoft's program?Ease of use and security like phone app?
Valve didn't "lock down" the controller at all.
Haven't read the last ~10 pages so it might have been asked already.
Are there any benefits for treating games/programs like phone apps?
How is klicking "Play" on steam any harder than klicking "Play" in Microsoft's program?
How is breaking modding and many external programs in any way beneficial to us end users?
That's what I just thought when I read your answer. Maybe you need to read up on the issue.So you don't actually know what DRM is, gotcha.
Again, this is a restriction imposed by the developers, not Steam.
Haven't read the last ~10 pages so it might have been asked already.
Are there any benefits for treating games/programs like phone apps?
I'm guessing that there isn't because this comes from the same guys that thought that what my desktop PC with huge monitor needed was an OS designed for small touch screens.
Jezus christ. 32 pages already.
Meanwhile the Quantum Break preview thread "only" have 18 pages..
Jezus christ. 32 pages already.
Meanwhile the Quantum Break preview thread "only" have 18 pages..
MS could make a Steam-like game client, to get 100% of the profit and at the same time not release a game in Windows Store that handicaps user experience. But no, they gotta use that POS store.They have access to games they otherwise wouldn't? That's got to at least be a bit of a plus, no?
How is breaking modding and many external programs in any way beneficial to us end users?
Makes you wonder how many people are really interested in the actual game. And those who just want to say 'no steam, no buy'. At least those who wanted to play it will get the opportunity.
No it's not, it's my money and I'm allowed to vote with my wallet. EVEN if it was just about it being on a different store than Steam and I simply want to avoid the hassle of using a yet another client for my games, who the fuck are you to call me petty?
So how many people is that now that have commented without actually reading the thread even slightly
Apart from the fact that it doesn't work if you're not running Steam.
Jesus Christ, did you even read the thread? Already posted my retort regarding the other criticisms last page.
Deciding to forgo playing a game because of superficial reasons is the definition of petty.
Jezus christ. 32 pages already.
Meanwhile the Quantum Break preview thread "only" have 18 pages..
Sad when there is less emphasis on the actual gameplay/graphical elements (which is what most gamers care about) and more about the sales, exclusivity etc
How is klicking "Play" on steam any harder than klicking "Play" in Microsoft's program?
How is breaking modding and many external programs in any way beneficial to us end users?
Lmao no it's not. What a fucked up apologist mentality.
Considering the Win10 store's shitty sandboxed mode can have an impact on these, this comment seems a bit misguided.Sad when there is less emphasis on the actual gameplay/graphical elements (which is what most gamers care about)
Some of it, yes. All of it? Not even remotely.Apart from the fact that it doesn't work if you're not running Steam.
And yes, you could totally do the same stuff without relying on an overlay.
As I said, marketing genius whoever came up with using the word "trust" for "restriction".Security/trust/ease-of-use.
It's not about the fucking store Jesus Christ.Again, yes it is - if you have Windows 10 you have the Windows Store by default so you don't even have go through to arduous task of downloading and installing a new client, don't even have to register an account because I know submitting a form is like climbing Mt Everest.
Again, yes it is - if you have Windows 10 you have the Windows Store by default so you don't even have go through to arduous task of downloading and installing a new client, don't even have to register an account because I know submitting a form is like climbing Mt Everest.
response to your edit: I'm simply saying wait before the game is release before assuming they have not implemented the changes people have requested, even if the average user couldn't care less about it. Btw, the average user does not even frequent gaming forums.
Mumble has an overlay to show who is talking, which is kind of important if you are running a guild chat with 20+ members.Why would integrating mumble become impossible?
It's not about the fucking store Jesus Christ.
Steam originally was a piece of crap, i waited months to move into and was forced to move because of CounterStrike, Origin was a piece of shit for a very long time aswell now its "ok enough" that dont bother me i dont have any memory leak or bug like the few first version and they didnt got the Steam excuse : "they was first".
Now GFWL was bad, very bad, that was a pain to play in multiplayer to DarkSoul
The average user does not buy high end PC games, they buy Xbox games.Again, yes it is - if you have Windows 10 you have the Windows Store by default so you don't even have go through to arduous task of downloading and installing a new client, don't even have to register an account because I know submitting a form is like climbing Mt Everest.
response to your edit: I'm simply saying wait before the game is release before assuming they have not implemented the changes people have requested, even if the average user couldn't care less about it. Btw, the average user does not even frequent gaming forums.
Because drive by posts surely invalidate the argument being made.Yes IT IS, or have you not trawled for the posts of 'no steam no buy'?
I'd happily buy it (well, perhaps not happily, but I'd buy it) on a Microsoft store if I could buy an actual PC game and not an "app".Because drive by posts surely invalidate the argument being made.
I would buy this game on any existing storefront. Just not the one lead by Microsoft.
Yes IT IS, or have you not trawled for the posts of 'no steam no buy'?
It's not about who runs the store, or what it's called. It's about what being sold through that store has for consequences for the product. Calling it petty to care about what you're actually spending money is a bit weird.
Yes IT IS, or have you not trawled for the posts of 'no steam no buy'?
well My only advice is you dont need to spend the money. It's like anything. Microsoft owns the IP, they own the product. They sell it at their store. Do you want to go and buy from that store knowing its restrictions. If not, that is totally fine, but there is no point in kicking off about it.
A consumer has the right to complain and in fact should be as vocal as possible. It's the only way to improve products and services. Companies are better for it.
See: Xbox One.
well My only advice is you dont need to spend the money. It's like anything. Microsoft owns the IP, they own the product. They sell it at their store. Do you want to go and buy from that store knowing its restrictions. If not, that is totally fine, but there is no point in kicking off about it.
Here you go:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=195147494&postcount=656
These are not "superficial reasons".
"Those changes" go against the very foundation of "Universal Apps", which is their big company-wide push.but they could easily say they have implemented those changes at their Feb 28 event
Wait, do all of the games on the Windows Store come in the form of Metro apps? Oh god.I'd happily buy it (well, perhaps not happily, but I'd buy it) on a Microsoft store if I could buy an actual PC game and not an "app".
A good portion of the post are the driveby No Steam No buy post.
I don't understand what would prevent the game dev from implementing this. You need to inject code only if it needs to be done externally. It's just that the mumble app won't be able to "hijack" audio from the game without the game explicitly giving it a way to do that.Mumble has an overlay to show how is talking, which is kind of important if you are running a guild chat with 20+ members.
It also has direct integration with a huge number of games to provide positional audio (by dll injection).
So... Valve locked the controller to Steam, and that's... somehow... Microsoft's fault?
Makes you wonder how many people are really interested in the actual game. And those who just want to say 'no steam, no buy'. At least those who wanted to play it will get the opportunity.
There's more.Wait wat? ROTTR bought from the Windows storefront doesn't support exclusive fullscreen mode? Seriously? That's quite a bummer.