StarSketch
Banned
Because apparently I still don't have how this game works as pinned down as I thought it did. I interpreted 'roleblock' as 'blocks role usage'.
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Ace Attorney [Mafia] |OT| Turnabout Scum
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Because apparently I still don't have how this game works as pinned down as I thought it did. I interpreted 'roleblock' as 'blocks role usage'.
Uh, that's not what you say here :
Here you say you interpreted roleblock as "blocks role usage and getting targeted by roles". Which one is it?
StarSketch
Banned
That is what I meant in the post I just made.
Like- think that there's a wall around the person I used the RB on. nothing goes in, nothing goes out.
StarSketch
Banned
I meant the same thing in both posts.
That's how a jailor works, but not a role blocker. A jailor combines a roleblock with a protect into one big action,while a role blocker only blocks someone from using their action.
CornBurrito
Member
Do we really believe Sorian sent out a role PM that didn't explain how the role works?
"Any actions taken against the target will fail" or some such line is very different than "that target may not perform any actions", which is very different than both being included.
"Any actions taken against the target will fail" or some such line is very different than "that target may not perform any actions", which is very different than both being included.
CornBurrito
Member
Like Sorian isn't going to send a PM "You have a role block. It blocks roles."
StarSketch
Banned
I was honestly going to ask Sorian after the Scrafty situation and now I regret not doing it.
StarSketch
Banned
Also he wasn't vague about it like that- I just misinterpreted the term roleblock.
TheGoddamn
Member
Vote: StarSketch
Her actions speak for themselves at this point. Scrafty is the safest target for Star's claimed role (which she is even unsure of), and is completely unverifiable, especially considering that it lets CB's items in. Her stumbling over the details indicates a fabricated role. There's the chance that she is telling the truth-- you certainly can interpret "roleblock" into its component parts as acting both ways-- but I'm having a very hard time believing it, especially with Star being an apparent veteran.
Voting as if it counted.
Her actions speak for themselves at this point. Scrafty is the safest target for Star's claimed role (which she is even unsure of), and is completely unverifiable, especially considering that it lets CB's items in. Her stumbling over the details indicates a fabricated role. There's the chance that she is telling the truth-- you certainly can interpret "roleblock" into its component parts as acting both ways-- but I'm having a very hard time believing it, especially with Star being an apparent veteran.
Voting as if it counted.
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
why are we getting so caught up on star not knowing what a role block is?
she would have gotten an explanation for Jailer, not Roleblock, right?
she would have gotten an explanation for Jailer, not Roleblock, right?
StarSketch
Banned
It's whatever at this point. Id you really think I'm scum then go for it. The truth will come out eventually.
Xamtheking
Member
I find it hard to believe Sorian would not have explicitly stated that non-killing actions against a jailed target go through.
Vote: StarSketch
Vote: StarSketch
StanleyPalmtree
Banned
Star if thats all you have in your defence, then its really not enough.
Vote: StarSketch
Vote: StarSketch
CornBurrito
Member
Yeah sorry Star if we're wrong. I dont think anyone can really be blamed for it though. Just too many oddities with your role even if legitimate.
StarSketch
Banned
Yeah, I don't know what to say anymore. Hopefully you guys can look at today and figure out something else. Even if you did waste a day because of my bad play.
On a lighter note, the flavor text for this will be quite something.
On a lighter note, the flavor text for this will be quite something.
EzekelRAGE
Member
uhm, I think we currently at 7 for Star with one more to hammer?
CornBurrito
Member
Ok I'm growing impatient so I'm just going to explain what my items do. And I'll declare what I'm giving out, and to who (so don't turbo). That way if I do give an item to someone, all of you guys can plan around it in the event that I accidentally give it to scum.
I have these items:
Metal Detector: Reciever gains a one shot cop-like ability. Detects if the user has a night action.
Fishing Rod: This is actually a non-beneficial item. The reciever is given a dummy night action that overrides any previous night actions. Called FISHING. Its effectively a 1 time role block.
Evidence: Probably one of the more powerful ones. The reciever gains a one time override ability.
You might wonder why I didn't give Evidence to Pearl. Scrafty isn't omniscient just because she is guranteed town. And she doesn't need Evidence to save herself from a mislynch.
I really don't want to give it away but the Burger was probably the best item to give to her.
I tried giving the metal detector to Xam last night. But I'm debating on how useful that is since using it would mean not using his regular cop ability for that night.
I have these items:
Metal Detector: Reciever gains a one shot cop-like ability. Detects if the user has a night action.
Fishing Rod: This is actually a non-beneficial item. The reciever is given a dummy night action that overrides any previous night actions. Called FISHING. Its effectively a 1 time role block.
Evidence: Probably one of the more powerful ones. The reciever gains a one time override ability.
You might wonder why I didn't give Evidence to Pearl. Scrafty isn't omniscient just because she is guranteed town. And she doesn't need Evidence to save herself from a mislynch.
I really don't want to give it away but the Burger was probably the best item to give to her.
I tried giving the metal detector to Xam last night. But I'm debating on how useful that is since using it would mean not using his regular cop ability for that night.
CornBurrito
Member
UNVOTE
Preventing a hammer.
Preventing a hammer.
EzekelRAGE
Member
Unvote
CrimsonFist
Member
I'm trying to wrap my head around this case against Star. First she claims Jailer, which is an existing role that functions exactly as claimed going by the wiki, including allowing usage of non-killing roles. And this isn't a backtrack, she outright states that in her initial post.
She then states that she was confused when Scrafty received an item, as a clarification: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197088509&postcount=1561
Then when pressed later, she says that she assumed that roleblock blocked both ways.
So the point of contention is that she was confused about her role at a point before she claimed, and then admitted that confusion later.
So I'm wondering now, is this a mistake that a scum player would make if they were fake claiming a role, or is it a mistake that a townie would make if they were confused about their role. Because if the item receiving thing was called out later as a contradiction, then yeah, obviously scum, lynch away, but it wasn't.
And seeing as the role exists on the mafiascum wiki, if it was a fake claim, then I assume that's where she got it from, and it would have been picked specifically to avoid the item contradiction, so why admit the confusion at all?
She then states that she was confused when Scrafty received an item, as a clarification: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=197088509&postcount=1561
Then when pressed later, she says that she assumed that roleblock blocked both ways.
So the point of contention is that she was confused about her role at a point before she claimed, and then admitted that confusion later.
So I'm wondering now, is this a mistake that a scum player would make if they were fake claiming a role, or is it a mistake that a townie would make if they were confused about their role. Because if the item receiving thing was called out later as a contradiction, then yeah, obviously scum, lynch away, but it wasn't.
And seeing as the role exists on the mafiascum wiki, if it was a fake claim, then I assume that's where she got it from, and it would have been picked specifically to avoid the item contradiction, so why admit the confusion at all?
Gah. I know you're probably just playing us, but stupid statements like this makes my gullible self want to trust you. Plus, it definitely seems like we have a blocker, yet no one has counterclaimed. Still, everyone's right about your role seeming like it was made up on the spot, and your use of it didn't seem like the best use of you power (Although I can see why you'd want to jail Xam). I'm kind of afraid to vote, because I don't want to end the day so early (We're at 6 votes; don't we only need 8 for majority?), but barring a game changer, I'm voting for Sketch.
Either way, though, I do want to call CornBurrito out for fixating on names again. Yes, most of our dead characters were main characters, but we also had the late Gregory Edgeworth, too (And that's to say nothing of weird characters in other games, like Disney's Robin Hood in the Archer game, and as the Serial Killer, no less!) Mask DeMasque was one of the more popular defendants, so it wouldn't be too weird if he showed up, either. Honestly, I can't tell if you felt you were onto something, or just really want to kill Zeke. I know it's not over much, but you're probably my 2nd most suspicious after Sketch right now (Although that's only because I'm sure that the remaining Injust are hiding among the inactives).
CrimsonFist
Member
CB: if you don't have to give out items every night, don't give out that override.
EzekelRAGE
Member
idk if you covered this, but can the receiver use it the same night they get an item?
Xamtheking
Member
He has to give out items every night
EzekelRAGE
Member
He has to give out items each night.
Xamtheking
Member
Scrafty already got an item, Detective Gumshoe (I jest, I jest)
CrimsonFist
Member
And you don't have Missile to give out? Now that's just bad game design.
CornBurrito
Member
I have to give them out every night.
I think I know who to give the Override to though. One of the people Xam cleared.
The person who receives it can choose to not use it btw.
Xamtheking
Member
If I had a Hug command, I would use it on you right now
CornBurrito
Member
No.
Because the Burger on Scrafty is really fuckin good. Burger gives the holder a one shot bulletproof.
CornBurrito
Member
EzekelRAGE
Member
Just reposting this
EzekelRAGE
Member
I think there are good odds of there being a scum or two on the TWE vote between MA/Roy/Drago/Zubz/TG
CrimsonFist
Member
I doubt MA is scum. If you go back and read the thread, it was his post which really kicked off the bandwaggon. Anyone later, sure, although I'm generally town reading Roy too.
CornBurrito
Member
Because it may be asked: Scrafty has to consume the burger to gain the bulletproof for that night.
I figure now that it doesn't matter if scum knows she has it. She still has to play the guessing game of "are they going to kill me tonight?"
I think knowing she has that option does make scum sweat more though. They now have to plan around protection from other sources, and from the burger. And then Scrafty can always lie about having used it already.
I figure now that it doesn't matter if scum knows she has it. She still has to play the guessing game of "are they going to kill me tonight?"
I think knowing she has that option does make scum sweat more though. They now have to plan around protection from other sources, and from the burger. And then Scrafty can always lie about having used it already.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Well, looks like things have gone to hell in a handbasket.
I'm still not feeling confident enough to vote for Star (the lack of any significant defense from would-be partners is rather worrying; no way can they afford to lose two teammates back-to-back) but I'm also a bit miffed that almost every one of our powers are now out in the open. The villains essentially have a laundry list of targets to bump off now...
I'll be sticking with my vote on Salva but based on how things go tonight I might have an idea of who to gun for tomorrow.
I'm still not feeling confident enough to vote for Star (the lack of any significant defense from would-be partners is rather worrying; no way can they afford to lose two teammates back-to-back) but I'm also a bit miffed that almost every one of our powers are now out in the open. The villains essentially have a laundry list of targets to bump off now...
I'll be sticking with my vote on Salva but based on how things go tonight I might have an idea of who to gun for tomorrow.
CornBurrito
Member
So actually, I did say I found HipsterCthulu to be scummy because of how TWE interacted when we prodded HC.
Who replaced HC? Why aren't we voting him?
And I got to go to bed. Will answer inquiries in the morning.
Who replaced HC? Why aren't we voting him?
And I got to go to bed. Will answer inquiries in the morning.
CrimsonFist
Member
Pandas, and I am voting him.
Flatearthpandas replaced hipster and I prodded him a couple times for conversation, he's come in and said some stuff, I'm not sure I like the stuff he's saying, doesn't seem like there's much substance there. He tends to refer back to "I don't know what hipster was thinking" as a defense which I'm not a fan of.
I forgot that you could only give out one item. It still feels weird that you gave Xam the metal detector, though; I guess it makes sense to ensure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands, but it feels like a waste.
CornBurrito
Member
CornBurrito
Member
I tried to give it to him, and it failed.
I'm open to not giving it to Xam. It does conflict with his current night action.
I feel like I'll try and give the Evidence out last, because the other two aren't that bad if they end up in scum hands. The Metal Detector is actually kind of useless to them now that a good chunk of our PR are outed.
EzekelRAGE
Member
The winds were already blowing TWE's way. This was after the prod thing and his weird actions. SP/TG/MA have the knack of piling on to whoever was the topic of recent discussion at the point or who ppl already suspected. Most of the time just mimicking what others said about the person they vote for.
Flateear
I haven't done the vote counting so maybe zeke was wrong but if she's not scum either scum was already voting on her or they missed a chance to hammer and end the day early?
flatearthpandas
Member
I replaced him. I talked about it on this page and the last page. If you really think TWE freaking out about prods when Hipster had only two votes on him is scum indication then feel free to throw a vote but I am active and I don't believe I or Hipster said anything scummy. Hipster was in no danger of a lynch so TWE didn't "save" him from anything so I think this is a pretty weak vote. Basically, if this is the strongest scum indication you can find them you aren't trying hard enough. I'll post my read list and later tonight when I've had time to finish it at home.
EzekelRAGE
Member
I was wrong, looks like it was at 5, not 7.
I feel like the problem with not giving the evidence to scrafty is that you risk the potential of giving something very powerful to scum. Personally I would have preferred that, even if it's going to be used to kill a town, it's at least going to be used by a town in good faith trying to hunt scum, I wouldn't want to take the risk that it could wind up in scum in hands when I have a guaranteed town to give it to.