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[Revven]

Yeah, I don't expect it. But there's always hope. And being on the tail-end means Nintendo needs to focus on selling to the existing userbase, which makes DLC a relatively good idea.

Tekken 7 is scheduled to get several additional fighters as DLC as well, but then that's a PS4 title.

Honestly, the best we could hope for is free DLC via patches. From my understanding, the Tekken team (Harada specifically) doesn't like doing traditional DLC in the sense of sticking a price on content and selling it. They like simply doing it for free via patches. And as far as we've seen, the arcades for Pokken haven't stopped receiving updates so it's possible they have long-term support planned in the form of patches based on how well the game sells.

We'll have to wait and see. I don't see them merely vaguely saying there's currently no DLC plans as a complete denial of all support for it -- it would be incredibly stupid for them to never patch the game if it's going to be at tournaments. Who knows what people will find with any character and such. There hasn't been a fighting game in recent years that didn't get patches whatsoever post-launch. Not even Smash, a game people thought wouldn't even get balance patches, could escape getting patches.

 

[JoeM86]

Could be that it was designed before they knew the final number, and they just made sure they could add or remove a few without it looking really bad. We may never know.

It was originally smaller, but they expanded it. We know this from the arcades.

 

[yyr]

Tekken 7 will release with 20 characters according to Wikipedia. That's the seventh game. I don't think Pokken looks all that bad in comparison with 16 on the first entry.

So far, arcade T7 is up to 27, with the expansion adding at least 2 more, so when it releases on console it will be at least 29. But you can't really go by that number at all, because tt's the first Tekken since 4 that is removing characters from the roster. Tekken Unlimited's console versions had 59 in total, which is probably too many...certainly more than intimidating to anyone who wanted to learn how to play =\

For a brand-new game, 16 is a perfectly reasonable number. Some people are just spoiled. It takes a lot of work to create a brand-new fighting game!

 

[NateDrake]

Otherwise the game looks great, but as I've said before I wouldn't recommend this for single player-only folks.

Agreed. Then again, what fighting game is made for single player-only folks? Multiplayer, whether it be local or online, is what gives fighting games their lasting appeal.

 

[Revven]

Agreed. Then again, what fighting game is made for single player-only folks? Multiplayer, whether it be local or online, is what gives fighting games their lasting appeal.

Apparently, with the release of SFV, there's a lot of people who buy fighting games for single player now lol...

 

[balladofwindfishes]

Apparently, with the release of SFV there's a lot of people who buy fighting games for single player now lol...

I buy fighting games for single player.

Although just a simple Vs CPU is usually enough for me.

 

[mStudios]

Apparently, with the release of SFV, there's a lot of people who buy fighting games for single player now lol...

It' has been always like that. Fighting games are excellent "plug" and play games

 

[GinoFelino]

For a brand-new game, 16 is a perfectly reasonable number. Some people are just spoiled. It takes a lot of work to create a brand-new fighting game!

I'm curious as to when expectations shifted regarding the amount of fighters in a new game. I think 16 is very reasonable.

Did Smash 'ruin' it for everybody by having an insane amount of content and fighters?

 

[Boss Doggie]

Expected this to be one of those spin off games that turns out to be a bit shit, so was surprised to see it getting decent reviews. Might have to check it out now.

there are only few shitty pokemon spinoff games tho

Pokemon Dash is the only thing that comes to my mind

 

[Kinsei]

Agreed. Then again, what fighting game is made for single player-only folks? Multiplayer, whether it be local or online, is what gives fighting games their lasting appeal.

Melee was good for single player. Outside of that I can't think of any.

 

[NateDrake]

Melee was good for single player. Outside of that I can't think of any.

Melee and Guilty Gear X are the only *recent* fighting games that I played a lot of the single player. Guilty Gear X was insanely hard - fuck that fight against Testament. I enjoy having an Arcade Mode and Story Mode in these games, but I'd never buy a fighting game at $60 solely for the single player content.

 

[ash_ag]

For a brand-new game, 16 is a perfectly reasonable number. Some people are just spoiled. It takes a lot of work to create a brand-new fighting game!

There also aren't any clones to speak of. Perhaps Mewtwo shares some of Shadow Mewtwo's moves(?). Beyond that, I can't imagine the rest of the cast having counterparts. Most fighting games have clones or characters that share similar principles, but all Pokkén characters are really unique.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind some clones. They would help pad up the roster and increase variety in the Ferrum League. Problem is that it's hard to find a counterpart for most species in the game. Direct clones may be downright impossible due to the very different structure, behaviour and typing of each Pokémon.

 

[maxcriden]

My review, over at VentureBeat. 79/100.

http://venturebeat.com/2016/03/15/p...mon-somewhere-new-the-fringes-of-fan-fiction/

Added, thank you!

 

[balladofwindfishes]

There also aren't any clones to speak of. Perhaps Mewtwo shares some of Shadow Mewtwo's moves(?). Beyond that, I can't imagine the rest of the cast having counterparts. Most fighting games have clones or characters that share similar principles, but all Pokkén characters are really unique.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind some clones. They would help pad up the roster and increase variety in the Ferrum League. Problem is that it's hard to find a counterpart for most species in the game. Direct clones may be downright impossible due to the very different structure, behaviour and typing of each Pokémon.

Shadow Mewtwo shares most of Mewtwo's animations, but has entirely unique properties, particles, sounds, etc. S Mewtwo also has all unique specials and a unique burst attack.

S Mewtwo is the only semi-clone on the roster. Everyone else is 100% unique. The two Pikachus even have different voices!

 

[Yukinari]

there are only few shitty pokemon spinoff games tho

Pokemon Dash is the only thing that comes to my mind

I feel like the Rumble series is pretty much garbage. Theres also Channel and PokePark which are painfully mediocre.

 

[Mory Dunz]

There's no denying the small roster size but putting the "/721" there rubs me the wrong way. Like, if the game had 300 Pokémon it'd still be less than half of 721, so still a con?

It's a little dumb regardless. I mean, even pure fighting game franchises drop a lot of guys.

Not to bring up SF again, but do street fighter games get docked for being 20/100 characters (how many guys are in the SF universe now anyway? Maybe even over 100 with the EX)

no, that'd be dumb.

 

[entremet]

I'm curious as to when expectations shifted regarding the amount of fighters in a new game. I think 16 is very reasonable.

Did Smash 'ruin' it for everybody by having an insane amount of content and fighters?

No. I think roster bloat happened ages ago with Tekken 2 and above and the Versus games.

 

[DunpealD]

Agreed. Then again, what fighting game is made for single player-only folks? Multiplayer, whether it be local or online, is what gives fighting games their lasting appeal.

While fighting games are not specifically made for single player-only folks, there are a lot of games that tries to accommodate them. In this regard SFV and in a lesser degree Pokken are failing. Especially at full price of 60 bucks and for some it doesn't matter if it is first game in the franchise or not. 60 is 60 and for that money, people not only expect their moneys worth in gameplay but also content. Comparable weak SP content games like Uniel, Dengeki Fighting Climax sell for less at 40. This is the bed that got made.
Also TTT2 shits on Pokkens arcade like mode(Ferrum League) from great height, due to big roster size and consequently huge collection of ending clips. Pokken does not offer the traditional per character ending, they didn't even offer an elaborate ending clip for finishing the tedious Ferrum League.

Biggest example for SP focused fighting game is probably the Naruto UNS series, but it is more of an exception than rule. Other games try to add more SP content to the package.
For example Rival Schools had mini games, arcade story and in JPN version even a whole new school simulation game like Tokimeki.
The Soul Edge/Calibur series is also very well known for he wealth of SP content with edge master mode.
SFA3 had World Tour mode. ASW games have cranked up SP content story mode to lengthy Visual Novels.

Gameplay wise 16 characters are fine. Clone characters aren't even clones in playstyle. Playstyle diversity is pretty ok too from what I have seen, ranging from rushdown to long range characters and even more technical like Mewtwo who uses Synergy Gauge for his specials and Shadow Mewtwo who uses his own HP instead. Chandelur is pretty particular too, because he/she can reduce the opponents special gauges like Support and Synergy.

If it had more SP content like Soul Edges Edge Master mode, I doubt that there is much to say against Pokken. I would even recommend it, if done right.

 

[Mory Dunz]

Yeah funnily enough, this game could probably do with some clones

 

[galvatron]

Average around the 70's, exactly what I was expecting.

Console Pokemon games are usually around there

I was expecting the typical 8/10 preceded by "if you're a fan of the genre, blah, blah, blah".
Going below that leads me to believe that reviewers aren't people aren't afraid of the backlash from being "wrong" about it...
suprisigin since I thought pokemon had more clout.

 

[MikeSan]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
• Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

 

[Coffee Dog]

I was expecting the typical 8/10 preceded by "if you're a fan of the genre, blah, blah, blah".
Going below that leads me to believe that reviewers aren't people aren't afraid of the backlash from being "wrong" about it...
suprisigin since I thought pokemon had more clout.

It's a Wii U title with unimpressive graphics that isnt get suported post launch. There's basically no downside to shitting on it, unlike other titles that could get backlash.

 

[Boney]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
  [*]Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
  [*]Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

Uhm what?

 

[The_Intruder]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
• Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

What a joke, It's been a while this website has lost its credibility.

 

[hohoXD123]

Will probably pick it up on sale, but damn that lack of post-launch DLC hurts. This seems like a title which can benefit from that more than most games.

 

[mStudios]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
• Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

lmao

 

[Hex]

Uhm what?

It is going to be a translation slip up

 

[narutomaki04]

Uhm what?

if I had to guess, most likely what their supers are called in this game

 

[LordRaptor]

There also aren't any clones to speak of. Perhaps Mewtwo shares some of Shadow Mewtwo's moves(?). Beyond that, I can't imagine the rest of the cast having counterparts. Most fighting games have clones or characters that share similar principles, but all Pokkén characters are really unique.

To be honest, I wouldn't mind some clones. They would help pad up the roster and increase variety in the Ferrum League. Problem is that it's hard to find a counterpart for most species in the game. Direct clones may be downright impossible due to the very different structure, behaviour and typing of each Pokémon.

I guess given the source material they could use unevolved pokemons as faster but weaker clone equivalents

 

[Hoo-doo]

What a joke, It's been a while this website has lost its credibility.

Always fun to arrive at the point where people who haven't played the game criticize the opinion of the people who have.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

I guess given the source material they could use unevolved pokemons as faster but weaker clone equivalents

How about making Pikachu into Pichu, whose lighter, smaller, faster, but hurts himself whenever he uses an electric attack?

 

[AdanVC]

I'm starving for a new Wii U game but Pokkén is simply not my cup of tea. I like Pokémon but I don't like fighting games that much (I suck at them hah). Now the wait till Star Fox Zero : / Hopefully it's good.

 

[OricWindstar]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
• Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

Hahaha, this is amazing. Such violence!

 

[Blackquill]

What a joke, It's been a while this website has lost its credibility.

And so, just because a review as a more negative opinion about the game make it less credible ?

I knew Gamekult, they really know how to defend their opinion. But for that, you must read the entire review, right ?

 

[A Link to the Past]

"It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon"

um

No

 

[OricWindstar]

And so, just because a review as a more negative opinion about the game make it less credible ?

I knew Gamekult, they really know how to defend their opinion. But for that, you must read the entire review, right ?

I think it's more because Furries is listed as a positive for the game and Grapplers being too violent is a negative.

 

[Trago]

Good fighting mechanics with lacking single player content. Scores are expected.

Come to think of it, there wasn't much single player stuff being shown to promote the game huh.

 

[NateDrake]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
• Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
• It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

Load times between matches? There are hardly any loads between matches. I think the term load is incorrect.

 

[Hoo-doo]

I think it's more because Furries is listed as a positive for the game and Grapplers being too violent is a negative.

You do realize that the summary is google translated, right?

 

[El Sabroso]

Gamekult.com : 5/10

Pros :

• The neat animations
• Pretty cool furies
• Easy to take in hands
• Less childish than it seems

Cons :

• The strange battle rhythm
• Load times between matches
  [*]Violence of the grapplers
• Overloaded interfaces
• The characters blurry
• The backgrounds frequently ugly
  [*]It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

they expect a fighting game with more than 700 characters that do not attack each other ? wtf man that site shows no credibility with that list

 

[Trago]

From the gameplay footage, everything seemingly has a strange flow to it.

I guess it depends on which pokemon you choose from the roster.

 

[A Link to the Past]

It kind of disheartens me, because really

Mario Kart 8 had a not-great single player due in part to no battle mode (no real one anyway)
Splatoon had a token single-player mode which was still fun, but very short
Super Smash Bros. for Wii U has a markedly cut-down single-player mode
Super Mario Maker doesn't have a devoted campaign
And Pokken Tournament, if what I'm hearing is correct, doesn't have a good single-player mode (at least not as good as it could be)

Then again I might just be seeing problems that aren't there, but I do so hope that the next installments of these series do better with their SP content in the future.

 

[OricWindstar]

You do realize that the summary is google translated, right?

Oh, haha, I did not. I'm sort of disappointed it isn't just a crazy person.

 

[balladofwindfishes]

It necessarily miss your favorite Pokemon

Unless your favorite Pokemon are Mewtwo, Charizard and Chandelure

Then you hit the jackpot.

 

[OricWindstar]

Unless your favorite Pokemon are Mewtwo, Charizard and Chandelure

Then you hit the jackpot.

Yeah, this actually hit a lot of my favorites, including random picks like Chandelure.

 

[QisTopTier]

Unless your favorite Pokemon are Mewtwo, Charizard and Chandelure

Then you hit the jackpot.

Suicune / gardevoir

Mega jackpot on the first one in my eyes

 

[jon bones]

wish this game had a demo... i'd love to try out the mechanics to see if they 'click' with me

 

[PreyingShark]

@jon bones: Many GameStops have a demo: http://www.nintendo.com/images/page...pokken-tournament-demo-gamestop-locations.pdf

Unless your favorite Pokemon are Mewtwo, Charizard and Chandelure

Then you hit the jackpot.

Only favorite mon of mine that isn't playable or a support is Noivern and that still has a cameo appearance so I'm happy as hell.

Suicune 4 lyfe

 

[The_Intruder]

And so, just because a review as a more negative opinion about the game make it less credible ?

I knew Gamekult, they really know how to defend their opinion. But for that, you must read the entire review, right ?

The man behind this review(who had also done the Street Fighter V one) had a really bad opinion before playing this title(making jokes like "what the heck, pokémon with tekken? Lmao).
So I can't take seriously its review, and no i'm not talking about the score but the text.

 

[Blackquill]

I think it's more because Furries is listed as a positive for the game and Grapplers being too violent is a negative.

it's badly translated

Furries = Special like mega-evolutions

And grapplers are not too violent by itself it just says that grab are really too powerful (and you don't even need to play to see it, I saw a Machamp deal a 200 damage attack by simply grab the opponent, which is completely nuts)

they expect a fighting game with more than 700 characters that do not attack each other ? wtf man that site shows no credibility with that list

Badly translated again. Grab dealt too much damage for the reviewer (which is the case). And the last thing is just a joke which is often the case in this site. Obviously not everyone can be happy with the choice of the roster (but they made great choice though)