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[Destructoid] Leaked photo of NX controller?

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RootCause

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Del Boca Vista said:
i love the angry comments like "gimmie a pro controller or no thanks, Nintendo" lol such a closed minded approach to games, you don't need to hold a controller with all the buttons you know in all the places you want to enjoy a game, sheesh, a bit of innovation never hurt the industry did it
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You mean the same people that supported the Wii, and wiiu? Yeah, very closed minded. 😒
 
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Throwaway123456789

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E-phonk said:
Because he is one of neogafs go-to patent guys? There are dozens of threads that he made that gave us new information, leaks and/or industry insights.
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Sorry if I'm sounding like a grumpy no-fun-allowed guy here, but that doesn't mean he's sitting on info about NX.

Digging up patents is no indication that he knows anything. What other insights has he given that weren't publicly known? Not trying to be an ass here. I just remember the Ideaman farse that swept over neogaf before the Wii U, and noone cared if everything he said was a lie.
 
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ForsakenLotus

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I'm just trying to think about games with HUD or UI elements on the side, which there are quite a few of. To the people who don't think the oval design, thumbstick and on screen buttons are impractical: imagine where the HUD/UI elements go. It's either in the normal rectangular screen space, or it's outside of it - for the former that means all of the screen space has little to no functional use and just drives up the cost of the device, and for the latter obviously it means those things will be obscured.

For instance, imagine a Final Fantasy game with the player names on the left. How would that possibly work with this controller unless it's in the normal rectangular area. What about a game with a radar on the right or gun/ammo on the bottom right? It seems like a developer would need to make odd adjustments to their UI to make the game work, even a 1st party game would suffer from this.

I just don't understand this design at all.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
If this Ubisoft, Nintendo has to be furious. Again. I wonder what the consequences of the NDA are.
 
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ArchedThunder

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If legit I really hope this is the handheld and not the console controller. If Nintendo is doing another controller with a screen after the burning failure of the Wii U... I just don't know what to say.
 
Schnozberry

Schnozberry

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Ninja Scooter said:
I am 100% on the train that Nintendo can't just make a traditional console, they need to make something outside the box with some kind of hook. But it has to be the right kind of hook. That "hook" being again some kind of touch/tablet screen just seems like they are barking up the wrong tree, chasing an audience that doesn't want them. You aren't going to wow people with touch screen type gaming in 2016, especially not when consumer VR is dropping in that same time frame and probably stealing all their headlines.
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We're still missing a lot of information about the NX as a concept, and we don't know if this leak is real. If it is real, we have no idea how early of a prototype this is and how it has changed in iteration since it's conception. Nintendo may have already modified things in a way that alleviates a lot of the concerns about it.
 
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The_Lump

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Dead_Pixel said:
Devkits do not need to have the slick, polished UI that you seem to think they should have.
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Wut? I'm saying the opposite!

I'm saying the only useful information from running a tech demo, on a development kit, is to see how well it runs. (eg a an fps counter makes sense)

What use would running a Youtube video be?

You've also ignored the rest of my post which backs up what I'm saying...
 
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ekim

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The way the lighting concentrates on the middle, you could fake this by using some sort of oval lamp. Something like this:
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Than you print out that screen and pop it on the lamp together with some cutouts for that fake sticks.

If you want to go full detective on it, look for the oval device and the sticks used here.
 
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Instro

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Schnozberry said:
Nintendo would be the first to use it in the gaming space, certainly, but that doesn't necessarily make it a bad idea.
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I don't disagree, infact if they were able to push that level of haptics feedback I think it would be interesting. As I mentioned in my delayed edit of the previous post though, pushing for this would really clash with their philosophy of using existing tech.
 
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ironcreed

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oti xero said:
So:

NX Console: Game is on TV, map and other stuff on this controller screen.
NX Handheld: Game is on the screen.

It sounds interesting but how are you going to solve the battery issue?

(And wowza this screen must be expensive to produce.)
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And not being able to feel any face buttons while staring at your TV screen. Yes, I instinctively know where the buttons are, but not feeling them there is going to be too much of a change for most people. Not to mention no real D-Pad. It is absolutely terrible.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
Plinko said:
Except there is zero evidence this is true. They may finally be at a niche point in the game where they don't fit in the normal console space. They're probably much better off at this point offering something unique and cheap (not saying this will be) than expensive and similar to PS4/XB1.

I just don't see Nintendo drawing in the GAF crowd any more. Too many things would keep them away. They're probably better off marketing stuff like this that is somewhat unique.
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The GamePad was somewhat unique, it didn't work. 'Unique' is no longer a buzzword Nintendo gets to fully own with the era of tech startups with VR and AR and so on. They offer entirely new mediums and ways to experience entertainment while people will look at this and go "oh, so they cut the corners off, how stupid". Never mind the added cost this proprietary round screen nonsense is going to add to the package. At least glassesless 3D offered a pretty obvious offering. "GAMES ARE OVALS NOW" is top tier "what the fuck are we doing" panic mode insanity.

Just a prototype. Maybe they went back to rectangles or something. We'll see. If its still an oval you can damn well be sure that they'll phase it into Samus visor for the Metroid Prime 4 unveil and ya'll will lose your minds.
 
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Ansatz

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oti xero said:
So:

NX Console: Game is on TV, map and other stuff on this controller screen.
NX Handheld: Game is on the screen.

It sounds interesting but how are you going to solve the battery issue?

(And wowza this screen must be expensive to produce.)
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Imo this is gamepad 2.0 controller for the console, i.e. a traditional controller with a screen in it for displaying maps and secondary info , while the NX handheld is just like 3DS.
 
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TimeEffect

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Plinko said:
Agreed, but we still know nothing else about this thing. That's why the whole "this will kill Nintendo!!!!" stuff is maddening. The hook doesn't have to be the controller.
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What if the console is smaller than a Gamecube, allowing people to take the console wherever they want? :O

Oh wait, I forgot handheld gaming exists, nevermind
 
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LegendofLex

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Ninja Scooter said:
I am 100% on the train that Nintendo can't just make a traditional console, they need to make something outside the box with some kind of hook. But it has to be the right kind of hook. That "hook" being again some kind of touch/tablet screen just seems like they are barking up the wrong tree, chasing an audience that doesn't want them. You aren't going to wow people with touch screen type gaming in 2016, especially not when consumer VR is dropping in that same time frame and probably stealing all their headlines.
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I don't think the intention would be to "wow" people. It'd be to accommodate a broader pool of users.

The big hook for the Wii Remote wasn't so much that it was impressive. It was that it was more natural for many people to use compared to a traditional controller. Part of that was its remote-like form factor, and part of that was that motion controls were more natural for doing actions in 3D space for people who weren't already gamers.

The benefit of a controller that ditches physical buttons on the face for a touch screen that can provide haptic buttons is that the controller can do double duty. It can be a traditional controller for traditional gamers - it has two analog sticks, and can provide whatever buttons are needed for whatever game. It can also be a touch-only controller, that is, one that doesn't just have a touch screen but that doesn't need to have any buttons on its face at all.

I think this is probably what they're shooting for, if this is indeed the route they're taking.

Pie and Beans said:
"GAMES ARE OVALS NOW" is top tier "what the fuck are we doing" panic mode insanity.
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I really doubt the shape of the screen is designed primarily for accommodating the video display image. It's probably more about accommodating space for freeform inputs outside the traditional field of view - with the bonus of being able to display video content across the entire screen.
 
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Nilaul

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Graphics Horse said:
whatever height it is it's sure to be pretty wide. Ratio looks around 3:1? So 1440x480 for example.
but you could avoid processing around a quarter of the pixels that aren't used.
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Yeah but something has to be there, so lower quality assets in the place where your fingers are likly to obscure the corner + Blur? I would try and avoid doing a black (or fancy) border as it may ruin the appeal of the game on the handheld to some.
 
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oti

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ironcreed said:
And not being able to feel any face buttons while staring at your TV screen. Yes, I instinctively know where the buttons are, but not feeling them there is going to be too much of a change for most people. Not to mention no real D-Pad. It is absolutely terrible.
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That would be terrible. I'm just going with the magical haptic buttons discussed on here. I mean if we're going there LET'S GO THERE.

MK_768 said:
It's hysterical that people think this is real.
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It's fun.
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Pie and Beans said:
The GamePad was somewhat unique, it didn't work. 'Unique' is no longer a buzzword Nintendo gets to fully own with the era of tech startups with VR and AR and so on. They offer entirely new mediums and ways to experience entertainment while people will look at this and go "oh, so they cut the corners off, how stupid". Never mind the added cost this proprietary round screen nonsense is going to add to the package. At least glassesless 3D offered a pretty obvious offering. "GAMES ARE OVALS NOW" is top tier "what the fuck are we doing" panic mode insanity.

Just a prototype. Maybe they went back to rectangles or something. We'll see. If its still an oval you can damn well be sure that they'll phase it into Samus visor for the Metroid Prime 4 unveil and ya'll will lose your minds.
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Except the Gamepad really wasn't unique. Nintendo thought going with a tablet controller would be great--3 years after iPad had absolutely cornered the market and cheap Android tablets were everywhere. They were well behind the times on that one.
 
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Bananajama

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Oh wow, first I've seen this controller

Without a hands on demo think I'd rather buy a cheap NX to catch up on what I missed

That controller

Its just not for me

*I'll hold off though! I do want to like it

Lets see what the press says etc (and most importantly - fellow gamers!)
 
Neff

Neff

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ekim said:
Why is that? Some of the rocks look different to me.
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Even sidestepping the absurd notion that an NX in someone's studio would for some reason be displaying the exact same UE4 showreel stuff, from the exact same angle, it's easy to assume that someone would simply take a frame of the video, add some 'buttons' and debuggy-looking digits, and print it out.

I was cynical to begin with, but now I'm certain.
 
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Graphics Horse

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Nilaul said:
Yeah but something has to be there, so lower quality assets in the place where your fingers are likly to obscure the corner + Blur? I would try and avoid doing a black (or fancy) as it may ruin the appeal of the game on the handheld to some.
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no i mean the parts of the framebuffer outside of the oval/inside the sticks.
 
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nynt9

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low-G said:
Full namebrand smartphones with this hardware capacity sell for $200 or even less.

So, without full smartphone functionality / 4G / what have you, this hardware would cost Nintendo significantly less to make, barring the screen itself, which is just weird.

Even still, AND with the Nintendo markup, I think $250 wouldn't be unreasonable, but I think $300 is too high.

Then again, with the way hardware makers are marking up their hardware DRASTICALLY these days, you may be spot on at $300... Just... who will buy it?
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You realize smartphone prices are subsidized via wireless provider contracts and buying those phones off contract costs a LOT more, right?
 
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