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[Kill3r7]

Man if this new PS4 is as good as todays top PCs then Im in. if its just marginally better, I wont pick it up.

How much do you think a top of the line gaming PC costs? What are you willing to pay for the PS4K?

 

[jeffram]

I don't recall phone publishers completely dropping at one point in time the iPhone 5 for example, and then only making games for the 5S. It's not the same thing at all.

New software increasingly runs like garbage on older phones. 6 years ago the latest iPhone was the iPhone 4. Even last years OS ran like garbage on it.

 

[TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared]

isn't it already capable of that?

No, it can run 4K media off netflix and what not, but not the UH discs.

 

[DeepEnigma]

What you described is fragmentation. It is the difference of user experiences between different devices. Be that loading times, texture sizes, frame rates etc. It is not just the ability or inability of software to run on different devices.

What do you think it is?

Options. That is what I think. Are PC's fragmented?

How about someone who affords to put in a faster HDD that does load faster than your stock one?

This is an ice cream cone pic argument through and through.

It is not fragmented if everyone is gaming on the same ecosystem. Steam is not fragmented at all, lol.

 

[ZOONAMI]

I don't think it will be that hard for amd to get Sony a 4 tflop + Apu at roughly the same cost or slightly more than the launch Apu. At least expecting an apu that is servicable for 4k 30 fps aaa. Im expecting games to have an option for 60fps 1080p with more bells and whistles, or 4k 30fps with mediumish settings. Expecting a $499 msrp.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Man if this new PS4 is as good as todays top PCs then Im in. if its just marginally better, I wont pick it up.

How much are you willing to pay good sir

 

[robertsan21]

Even with the new fab process, wouldn't top of the line still be prohibitively expensive? I guess a better question would be: what do you mean by "top PC"?

well i guess I would be happy if it lets me play The witcher 3 with top ultra PC settings. if the new PS4 can pull that off Im in. i would pay 499 for it

 

[dealer-]

If this just ends up being a PS4 with a 4K capable blu ray player and upscaler are people going to be mad or relieved?

A mixture of both I presume. Some want it, some don't.

 

[Hermii]

Why are ps4.5 discussion threads allowed when NX discussion threads aren't?

 

[Jack cw]

Why are ps4.5 discussion threads allowed when NX discussion threads aren't?

Because WSJ didn't use a 3D printer for their article.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

Because WSJ didn't use a 3D printer for their article.

Damn, son.

 

[King Gilga]

So does PC gaming and that seems to be doing quite well.

You're underestimating the enthusiasm of console gamers to drop another $400 for the latest and greatest in console hardware.

As a PC primary person there's a big difference between replacing a part and replacing the whole thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

As a PC primary person there's a big difference between replacing a part and replacing the whole thing.

What? Lol

Plenty of people do it when they buy a slim or revisions that have improvements on consoles.

Backup/restore. Simple.

 

[Hugstable]

What? Lol

He's saying that usually when you upgrade a PC, it's single parts and not the whole PC

 

[Hermii]

What? Lol

To upgrade your pc you buy a new gpu, more memory or something like that. One part as opposed to the whole thing.

 

[DeepEnigma]

He's saying that usually when you upgrade a PC, it's single parts and not the whole PC

To upgrade your pc you buy a new gpu, more memory or something like that. One part as opposed to the whole thing.

I know this, lol. It is a sad argument. What is the merit of it?

 

[androvsky]

As a PC primary person there's a big difference between replacing a part and replacing the whole thing.

Yeah, but with the smaller console margins it's not so bad. Pretend Nvidia's profit margins are instead going into the new hard drive.

 

[Hermii]

I know this, lol. It is a sad argument. What is the merit of it?

That it's not comparable to buying a whole new ps4.

 

[DeepEnigma]

That it's not comparable to buying a whole new ps4.

Why not?

If it costs the same, and the power jump you are looking for is the same, then why can't someone use that as a basis to upgrade?

An optional upgrade.

 

[Wowfunhappy]

I know this, lol. It is a sad argument. What is the merit of it?

It's a heck of a lot cheaper, that's what!

 

[.JayZii]

This E3 is going to be crazy town. Prepare for a lot of worried/elated games writers making terrible analyses and predictions via podcast.

 

[Bitch Pudding]

Because WSJ didn't use a 3D printer for their article.

 

[El_Chino]

As a PC primary person there's a big difference between replacing a part and replacing the whole thing.

The price ends up being about the same though so I don't see your logic there.

Anyone can sell their old PS4 like GPU.

 

[DeepEnigma]

It's a heck of a lot cheaper, that's what!

What is?

The price ends up being about the same though so I don't see your logic there.

Anyone can sell their old PS4 like GPU.

Oo trade it in with infinitely more trade in specials than a GPU.

 

[Venom Fox]

Doesn't Sony's top line 4K tv's come with X1 upscaling processors? Why would we need an in built scaler when they have their own built into the TV's themselves?

I fully believe that Sony's plan is to create a PS4 capable of outputting games at 4K native. They'd be fucking stupid not to. Why wouldn't they go the whole length if they know it's gonna piss consumers off anyway by bringing something equal to a half measure.

Of course it's gonna be about £500-£600 but people will pay it and those costs are gonna come down eventually anyway. Isn't that what people are saying about VR? That it'll take time for the masses to accept it and jump on board when the price lowers.

 

[NoctisVsStar]

Because WSJ didn't use a 3D printer for their article.

Savage

 

[Wowfunhappy]

What is?

Upgrading a single part as opposed to replacing the entire machine.

 

[SmokedMeat]

What you described is fragmentation. It is the difference of user experiences between different devices. Be that loading times, texture sizes, frame rates etc. It is not just the ability or inability of software to run on different devices.

What do you think it is?

Fragmentation is around whether this system is released or not.

My internet is faster then yours
My $150 Pro controller gives me advantages
Hardwired vs wifi
Wiimote vs Controller
Cross play among platforms

Somehow me manage.

 

[RobFox64tm]

This will fragment the user base. Sony can't really think this is a good idea, could they?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Upgrading a single part as opposed to replacing the entire machine.

Depends on the part, and price of the machine, lol. Fuck man, these 'arguments', lol.

 

[El_Chino]

This will fragment the user base. Sony can't really think this is a good idea, could they?

Nintendo certainly thinks it's a good idea.

 

[SmokedMeat]

As a PC primary person there's a big difference between replacing a part and replacing the whole thing.

People replace their systems because of a new color.

 

[RobFox64tm]

Nintendo certainly thinks it's a good idea.

That doesn't make it a good idea.

 

[TyrantII]

This E3 is going to be crazy town. Prepare for a lot of worried/elated games writers making terrible analyses and predictions via podcast.

Probably the most sane post yet.

Get the popcorn out!

 

[DeepEnigma]

This E3 is going to be crazy town. Prepare for a lot of worried/elated games writers making terrible analyses and predictions via podcast.

They can never be forgiven for their pro-DRM coddling, lol.

 

[DryvBy]

You still don't have to worry about upgrading for several years. The box you bought is still going to offer the same experience regardless of a fancier version existing.

The upside is the PlayStation you eventually buy will run your old games better. That's a great thing!

I mean, that's not even a given. None of these speculations are a given. There's not a single thing confirmed. It was a month ago people had somehow came to the conclusion that Microsoft was putting out a modular Xbox. This PS4.5 is exactly that imo.

 

[onQ123]

Because WSJ didn't use a 3D printer for their article.

And we are done! lol

 

[Caayn]

What is?

Upgrading only one part compared to upgrading your entire box. And if you're going to spend the same, the upgrade will be larger.

This is simple logic.

 

[El_Chino]

That doesn't make it a good idea.

Opinions.

Unless you can't play playstation 4.5 on playstation 4, I don't see how this fragmenting the user base.

 

[onQ123]

This will fragment the user base. Sony can't really think this is a good idea, could they?

This will not fragment the user base. the only thing coming out that's going to fragment the user base is PSVR & I don't see anyone complaining about that.

 

[LordOfChaos]

If this just ends up being a PS4 with a 4K capable blu ray player and upscaler are people going to be mad or relieved?

And the VR box built in maybe - relieved. I think that's all it should be. A bit of the way into year 2 of the PS4 is no time to release a more powerful SKU when we're just getting into the meat of things with optimization. What incentive is there to squeeze it for all its worth when there's simply more powerful hardware sitting there for the using.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Upgrading only one part compared to upgrading your entire box. And if you're going to spend the same, the upgrade will be larger.

This is simple logic.

But what if you do not care to game on PC, but want a faster PS4 or Xbox One?

 

[wapplew]

I can see so many ways releasing PS4.5 could turn out badly for customers and Sony.
Don't see many downside not making PS4.5 thou.

 

[Art Vandilay]

I can see so many ways releasing PS4.5 could turn out badly for customers and Sony.
Don't see many downside not making PS4.5 thou.

For starters, getting leapfrogged by the XB1.5.

 

[King Gilga]

For starters, getting leapfrogged by the XB1.5.

Oh please, like anyone would even give a shit, the xbox might as well not even exist at this point.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I mean, that's not even a given. None of these speculations are a given. There's not a single thing confirmed. It was a month ago people had somehow came to the conclusion that Microsoft was putting out a modular Xbox. This PS4.5 is exactly that imo.

It's not a given, but it's been talked about by one of Sony's head honchos in Japan.

Wish I could remember where I saw it.

 

[SmokedMeat]

Oh please, like anyone would even give a shit, the xbox might as well not even exist at this point.

Xbox is pretty much Windows jr now.

 

[XxRampage07xX]

This E3 is going to be crazy town. Prepare for a lot of worried/elated games writers making terrible analyses and predictions via podcast.

For some reasons, I'm now much more excited about this E3 than I was before. Kinda happy that great performance on consoles will no longer be a wishful thinking.

 

[wapplew]

For starters, getting leapfrogged by the XB1.5.

You think PS4 sales momentum will take a hit because MS release Xbox 1.5 that play all the same game better, without exclusive at much higher price?

 

[Art Vandilay]

Oh please, like anyone would even give a shit, the xbox might as well not even exist at this point.

Haha ok. If they drop an upgraded console with Rift support then you better believe people will care.