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Just had sex with a man - fucking awful

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yepyepyep

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Curiosity or experimenting comes from want and desire, though. You don't experiment or become curious if you don't want or desire something different. Be it physical experience, romantic experience, mental experience, etc; you want or desire something different.


There's absolutely nothing wrong with that but I think some of you guys are getting too offended over a little thing like we're judging or the labels we apply are blind and with malice.

I disagree, I think you're being too presumptuous on other peoples motives and desires. Sexuality and sexual behaviour is complex.

For example, a person might be extremely sexually frustrated and experiments in a same-sex encounter that presents itself. During the sex, the person doesn't enjoy it all or find the partner attractive. They engaged in the activity out of impulse rather than a want or desire for same-sex, or the want or desire for any sexual release at that point eclipsed their usual orientation.
 

Rembrandt

Banned
This is what I mean when I say you treat sexuality like virginity. If you have sex once, you're no longer a virgin. Makes sense. I wouldn't argue that. But having gay sex once means you're no longer straight? I don't see why someone should be disqualified from being able to be called straight if they experimented once. If someone has sex with a woman hundreds of times and had gay sex once, they must identify as bisexual? Even if they didn't like the experience?



Only because you seem offended by someone no adhering to the same definitions as you. And because your liberal application of the term "bisexual" to any and every person who has ever experimented actually makes the term useless to actual bisexuals. You say that people should identify as bisexual if they had gay sex at least once.

I tried smoking once because I wanted to try it at least once to know what it's like. Decided I didn't like it and will not be smoking. Have no desire to smoke and haven't developed any kind of addiction. If I date someone who staunchly does not like smokers, do I have to put "smoker" on my dating profile because I've done it once?

yeah to your post paragraph because bisexuality is defined as having sexual attraction to both genders which is something heterosexuals don't do. they're not gay, but they're not straight. they may personally identify as straight, but they technically are not since they feel sexually attracted to both sexes.

smoking is entirely different than sexuality. let's not equate the two. we both know deciding to have sex with the same gender is entirely different from smoking.


how many people of the same sex does a person have to have sex with before they're gay? in your eyes a person can have sex with a ratio of people of both genders but lean towards one and say they're straight/gay?

I disagree, I think you're being too presumptuous on other peoples motives and desires. Sexuality and sexual behaviour is complex.

For example, a person might be extremely sexually frustrated and experiments in a same-sex encounter that presents itself. During the sex, the person doesn't enjoy it all or find the partner attractive. They engaged in the activity out of impulse rather than a want or desire for same-sex, or the want or desire for any sexual release at that point eclipsed their usual orientation.

and you would say that person is straight when straight people would rather masturbate to porn instead of seeking out a partner of the same sex to mess around with?

that person sounds like a sexually promiscuity bisexual person, not a sexually frustrated heterosexual male. you can have a lack of sexual attraction/enjoyment without jumping to fucking a member of the same sex. people do that all the time - gay and straight and everything in between

there are two ends/extremes to a spectrum; if we try to change the definition of those two ends then we wouldn't have a spectrum. it's ridiculous to destroy that because there are way too many people that don't engage the opposite sex for us to not say they're completely straight just like there are too many people that only engage the same sex for us to destroy the other end.



I, personally, think you guys are way too offended and upset over nothing. We can continue this discussion as long as you want but you're not going to persuade me and I don't think there's anything wrong with having two well defined ends at both sides with a really flexible line inbetween there for people. I'm not asking people to label themselves or am I judging. We just disagree with aspects of a spectrum and sexuality; apparently, you guys think it's completely 100% flexible while I believe there are two defining points and there's nothing wrong with either opinion because we're still for the same thing although we disagree on the same issue.
 

The Doc

Banned
GayGAF , is leaving the wc's door open at the club some kind of code signal? Im asking because a few weeks ago i forgot to close the damn door (was quite drunk), therefore this guy comes in trying to touch me. When i pushed him away , he looked sort of confused and ran off. On second thought maybe he just misunderstood. if so ,i'm sorry to have mistreated him.
 

jesu

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GayGAF , is leaving the wc's door open at the club some kind of code signal? Im asking because a few weeks ago i forgot to close the damn door (was quite drunk), therefore this guy comes in trying to touch me. When i pushed him away , he looked sort of confused and ran off. On second thought maybe he just misunderstood. if so ,i'm sorry to have mistreated him.

Sometimes if you tell them you're not into that they'll give you an E.
Well that happened once with me at least :)
 

yepyepyep

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and you would say that person is straight when straight people would rather masturbate to porn instead of seeking out a partner of the same sex to mess around with?

that person sounds like a sexually promiscuity bisexual person, not a sexually frustrated heterosexual male. you can have a lack of sexual attraction/enjoyment without jumping to fucking a member of the same sex. people do that all the time - gay and straight and everything in between

there are two ends/extremes to a spectrum; if we try to change the definition of those two ends then we wouldn't have a spectrum. it's ridiculous to destroy that because there are way too many people that don't engage the opposite sex for us to not say they're completely straight just like there are too many people that only engage the same sex for us to destroy the other end.



I, personally, think you guys are way too offended and upset over nothing.

Umm, I am not offended or upset, I am just disagreeing with your views of sexuality and sexual labelling.

I think you are misunderstanding my example. I wasn't insinuating that all heteros would turn gay in that scenario, I was giving an example of how sexual frustration could motivate a person to impulsively act or experiment outside of their usual orientation.

What I find weird in your categorisation is that there is literally no room for experimentation (even if that experimentation reaffirms your heterosexuality!), that any homosexual act literally means you are a little bi. It is too presumptuous of the person's motivation and self-identification and ignoring the various contexts that can influence homosexual behaviour. People who are same-sex abused often experience sexual confusion for period of time, are they a little bit bi even if after their sexual confusion they identify as straight?
 
yeah to your post paragraph because bisexuality is defined as having sexual attraction to both genders which is something heterosexuals don't do. they're not gay, but they're not straight. they may personally identify as straight, but they technically are not since they feel sexually attracted to both sexes.

smoking is entirely different than sexuality. let's not equate the two. we both know deciding to have sex with the same gender is entirely different from smoking.


how many people of the same sex does a person have to have sex with before they're gay? in your eyes a person can have sex with a ratio of people of both genders but lean towards one and say they're straight/gay?

More than once would make me question if their experimentation is more than just a curiosity. But it really doesn't matter how many times they have sex if they feel attraction to the same/opposite sex. You don't have to have sex a specified number of times with each sex in order to prove yourself as bi as long as you still feel that attraction to both sexes. If a bi person has sex with someone of the same sex once, but then spends the rest of their life in a committed monogamous relationship with someone of the opposite sex, they can still identify as bi if they can still look at both sexes and feel attraction to both. I disagree with you in that you seem to think sexuality is defined by the act of sex itself. But if there's no attraction, physical or romantic, how can you say that person is bi? Before you say "how can you have sex with no physical attraction?" well that depends on how much stock you put in the act of sex. Someone using a fleshlight doesn't find all flashlights attractive. It's just a tool to feel good. Just like the act of sex is something you do to feel good.
 

Alienous

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If you say you're straight, and seem to have no attraction to men in that context, then that seems to be a reasonable indicator of your orientation.

I'm sure there are gay men who have had sex with women, found themselves uninterested, and identify as gay, so I don't know if being bi is purely a matter of experiences.

If this is how your figured out you don't like dudes, good on you, OP. There are simpler ways to do it but who am I to judge?
 

Ensirius

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If you say you're straight, and seem to have no attraction to men in that context, then that seems to be a reasonable indicator of your orientation.

I'm sure there are gay men who have had sex with women, found themselves uninterested, and identify as gay, so I don't know if being bi is purely a matter of experiences.

If this is how your figured out you don't like dudes, good on you, OP. There are simpler ways to do it but who am I to judge?
What would be a simpler way ?
I am genuinely curious now on your perspectives.
 

Rembrandt

Banned
Umm, I am not offended or upset, I am just disagreeing with your views of sexuality and sexual labelling.

I think you are misunderstanding my example. I wasn't insinuating that all heteros would turn gay in that scenario, I was giving an example of how sexual frustration could motivate a person to impulsively act or experiment outside of their usual orientation.

What I find weird in your categorisation is that there is literally no room for experimentation (even if that experimentation reaffirms your heterosexuality!), that any homosexual act literally means you are a little bi. It is too presumptuous of the person's motivation and self-identification and ignoring the various contexts that can influence homosexual behaviour. People who are same-sex abused often experience sexual confusion for period of time, are they a little bit bi even if after their sexual confusion they identify as straight?

Sorry for assuming then.

And yeah, they are, as I've explained in my previous posts. You can experiment to your hearts content but you are definitely bi if you get to the point that you feel sexually attracted to a person of the same sex.

Yeah, they are a little bi if their sexual experiences with people of the same sex keeps continuing

If you're asking if they're bi if they were raped once at a young age before being granted the freedom to explore then idk because that's a ridiculously hard question to answer for someone that isn't well versed in things like that; I don't feel comfortable judging then.

More than once would make me question if their experimentation is more than just a curiosity. But it really doesn't matter how many times they have sex if they feel attraction to the same/opposite sex. You don't have to have sex a specified number of times with each sex in order to prove yourself as bi as long as you still feel that attraction to both sexes. If a bi person has sex with someone of the same sex once, but then spends the rest of their life in a committed monogamous relationship with someone of the opposite sex, they can still identify as bi if they can still look at both sexes and feel attraction to both. I disagree with you in that you seem to think sexuality is defined by the act of sex itself. But if there's no attraction, physical or romantic, how can you say that person is bi? Before you say "how can you have sex with no physical attraction?" well that depends on how much stock you put in the act of sex. Someone using a fleshlight doesn't find all flashlights attractive. It's just a tool to feel good. Just like the act of sex is something you do to feel good.

Most people aren't engaging in sexual acts if there's literally no physical or sexual attraction. If a person is using a fleshlight then they're usually not using them without porn or a frame of reference to get off to. If you're having sex with another person of the same sex then it goes beyond you looking at them as a simple tool to cum to. You're factoring in prior sexual encounters, your prior sexual attractions and your current ones. It's a long jump from getting yourself off to engaging in acts with another person.

I agree with the person identifying as bi I'm your scenario. But the part after that makes a person bi. If you're having sex with literally anything, regardless of sexual or romantic attraction, then you're a sexually deprived bisexual because the moment you start thinking about you having sex with of using another guy, you don't regard yourself as straight.


You may say you are because of it being a rarity but bisexual people are defined as being sexually attracted to both sexes so you're not being accepting of yourself. Straight guys aren't going to seek out guys to have sex with in their masturbatory time of need like a gay guy ain't gonna seek a woman for theirs. Bisexual people will.
 

BocoDragon

or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Well surely if OP tried sex with a man and hated it he isn't gay? I mean what more can you ask for

In a way, I'm more suspicious of the "straight" guy who never tried it!

Could be in the closet but doesn't even know it...............
 

Rembrandt

Banned
I don't know what you mean. You know what, just forget I said anything.

Simply put: most people stick people into a gay or straight category. It's why bisexuals offer pen articles about the ideas surrounding their sexual orientation.

Bisexuality isn't as commonly accepted as one would hope.
 

Alienous

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Simply put: most people stick people into a gay or straight category. It's why bisexuals offer pen articles about the ideas surrounding their sexual orientation.

Bisexuality isn't as commonly accepted as one would hope.

I don't see what that has to do with anything I said.

I don't know why you're talking about what's commonly accepted, either. If we think of being straight as an attraction to the opposite sex, gay as an attraction to the same sex, and bisexual as an attraction to both there's no doubt that there are more than just the gay/straight categories (and there are more, considering asexuality for example).

My point, which seems divorced from whatever point you're challenging, is that attraction should be considered above experience, if you're trying to "stick people into a gay or straight category". The OP shouldn't be considered gay or even bi if their attraction is towards the opposite sex, in the same way a gay man (or woman) who has had a heterosexual experience wouldn't be considered bi or straight. If it were about experiences a straight guy couldn't identify that way until having had sex with a woman, despite being attracted to women, for example.
 

Frodo

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This obsession with labelling people. OP experimenting same-sex doesn't make him gay the same way gay guys having sex with girls before coming out doesn't make them straight.

It is not like sexuality isn't fluid, anyway.
 

*Splinter

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would you call a man straight if he was married to a woman for years, had kids but ultimately decides to date/marry a guy?

probably not, you would say he's either gay or bisexual.
Wait, your example guy can have sex and a long term relationship with women but still identify as gay, but OP sucks one dick (which he didn't even enjoy) and is bi for life? That's a ridiculous double standard.

(On top of the "you don't get to decide for other people" as mentioned by others)
 

Dennis

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Thread redeemed.
 

mrklaw

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If you say you're straight, and seem to have no attraction to men in that context, then that seems to be a reasonable indicator of your orientation.

I'm sure there are gay men who have had sex with women, found themselves uninterested, and identify as gay, so I don't know if being bi is purely a matter of experiences.

If this is how your figured out you don't like dudes, good on you, OP. There are simpler ways to do it but who am I to judge?

You get three gay points for having sex with another man. You don't fully qualify for gay until you earn 9 points. After 2 years they get stricken from your record and you're back to fully straight.
 

Alienous

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You get three gay points for having sex with another man. You don't fully qualify for gay until you earn 9 points. After 2 years they get stricken from your record and you're back to fully straight.

I mean yeah, I thought that was the standard metric.
 

BumRush

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I wonder if OP was too drunk to remember posting this last night (...or even remember what happened).

We'll find out soon I hope.
 
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