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[Nightengale]

And at one point, a game arrives with all the multi-verse Kratosses (Kratii? ). Kratii, ASSEMBLE!

How many Links did it take for there to be a Four Swords game & Linkle to exist again?

 

[Mr. Giggles]

This pretty much means we are going to get Kratos again BTW.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

This pretty much means we are going to get Kratos again BTW.

Why does it mean that?

 

[kenta]

If we take everything at face value...

Driveclub was Evo's "shot." It was their new IP, it was their passion project, it was the game where they built a whole new engine for it, and it didn't do well. It got delayed, launched poorly, among other things.

Bend hasn't gotten its "shot" yet. Scott Rohde has been hyping up how this new upcoming project is Bend's potential breakout moment, and just like how Evo was judged on Driveclub, Bend will be judged on their new project.

Syphon Filter wasn't their "shot"? A second rate me-too series only enjoyed by people who typically only buy licensed Nickelodeon and movie tie-in games is, like, the definition of Bend. They've been around for a long time either making middling PSP games or middling Vita games or... nothing. Literally nothing for 4 years and still nothing even announced. But sure, let them fly under the radar while we sweep the Wipeout guys into a gutter

 

[Sid]

Why does it mean that?

Gow 3's ending + Valhalla seem to link up.

 

[sense]

This pretty much means we are going to get Kratos again BTW.

thank god. I can't believe people think that there will be a game called god of war and have a different protagonist. it is like a metal gear game without snake. if you want to sell the most copies, kratos has to be in it.

 

[SolidSnakex]

I'm instantly reminded of the thread asking if people are concerned about the level of violence in the next GoW. If it is Norse based then i'm guessing that person should check out now.

 

[Eylos]

#teamnotkratos

i want a new character, and i would love to play as a badass valkyrie, this could mean co-op and multiplayers since she can invoke spirits of dead warriors

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Syphon Filter wasn't their "shot"? A second rate me-too series only enjoyed by people who typically only buy licensed Nickelodeon and movie tie-in games is, like, the definition of Bend. They've been around for a long time either making middling PSP games or middling Vita games or... nothing. Literally nothing for 4 years and still nothing even announced. But sure, let them fly under the radar while we sweep the Wipeout guys into a gutter

Bend is currently making their big game. They haven't been doing "literally nothing" for 4 years.

 

[StoveOven]

thank god. I can't believe people think that there will be a game called god of war and have a different protagonist. it is like a metal gear game without snake. if you want to sell the most copies, kratos has to be in it.

Metal Gear is probably a bad example for this since the series has 3 protagonists. Also, Snake is awesome and Kratos sucks

 

[Nightengale]

Syphon Filter wasn't their "shot"? A second rate me-too series only enjoyed by people who typically only buy licensed Nickelodeon and movie tie-in games is, like, the definition of Bend. They've been around for a long time either making middling PSP games or middling Vita games or... nothing. Literally nothing for 4 years and still nothing even announced. But sure, let them fly under the radar while we sweep the Wipeout guys into a gutter

Cost of failure is different. Furthermore, different times, different expectations.

10 years ago back with the PS2/PS3, maybe Evo would've been allowed to fail with Driveclub, but a AAA failure today is extremely expensive compared to 10 years ago. Not to mention a genre that is seen as shrinking. (arcade racers)

 

[Omnistalgic]

Man this thread is a painful reminder of the Evolution/Liverpool shutdown. Why does Sony Bend have nine lives while the guys who've actually made good games get told to pound sand?

Edit: Oh new God of War news. Not sure if want... if it's still Kratos it will probably be weird and feel more like a spinoff... Gut says they should start a new franchise if they want to go Norse...

those studios did have a multiple chances to make successful franchises through. Good games need not just be good, but successful. So obviously they weren't good enough.

 

[wapplew]

Valkyrie as protagonist.

 

[kenta]

Cost of failure is different. Furthermore, different times, different expectations.

10 years ago back with the PS2/PS3, maybe Evo would've been allowed to fail with Driveclub, but a AAA failure today is extremely expensive compared to 10 years ago. Not to mention a genre that is seen as shrinking. (arcade racers)

Fair enough, I just hope Bend is held to the same standard if/when their middling AAA title is released to The Order-level sales

I don't know why I'm so grumpy, I'm sorry

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Syphon Filter wasn't their "shot"? A second rate me-too series only enjoyed by people who typically only buy licensed Nickelodeon and movie tie-in games is, like, the definition of Bend. They've been around for a long time either making middling PSP games or middling Vita games or... nothing. Literally nothing for 4 years and still nothing even announced. But sure, let them fly under the radar while we sweep the Wipeout guys into a gutter

Liverpool hasn't made something noteworthy either, I agree that they should've also have their chance at making a big PS4 games but maybe their multiple project didn't really move forward which made SCE close them.

We don't have all the info to make assumption one way or the other.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Syphon Filter wasn't their "shot"? A second rate me-too series only enjoyed by people who typically only buy licensed Nickelodeon and movie tie-in games is, like, the definition of Bend. They've been around for a long time either making middling PSP games or middling Vita games or... nothing. Literally nothing for 4 years and still nothing even announced. But sure, let them fly under the radar while we sweep the Wipeout guys into a gutter

Did the franchise make money? Did they lose Sony a ton of money? You aren't being rationale. DC likely costs Sony a lot of cash, it was supposed to be a launch title and likely sell a lot more than 3 million units after discounts and bundles.

I have favorites like Mark of Kri, but you just have to appreciate games when they come. Sometimes they come and go, and that's just the business side of things.

 

[Mr. Giggles]

Metal Gear is probably a bad example for this since the series has 3 protagonists. Also, Snake is awesome and Kratos sucks

Its a perfect example.

Also, Kratos is awesome, he's one dimensional as fuck but that's part of his angsty charm.

 

[The God]

Even if you don't like Kratos there's always the possibility that SSM will have written him as a better character this time around.

 

[RoboPlato]

Even if you don't like Kratos there's always the possibility that SSM will have written him as a better character this time around.

Yeah, the ending of GoW3 left a lot of space for a different take on Kratos with the restoration of Hope.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

Kratos or bust. People saying they want a different character are insane.
Kratos is the franchise.

Yeah, he's too iconic for Sony to abandon I reckon. Especially if they really are retiring Nathan Drake.

 

[JuanLatino]

#teamnotkratos

i want a new character, and i would love to play as a badass valkyrie, this could mean co-op and multiplayers since she can invoke spirits of dead warriors

it could be a too big of risk, to swap the character, the face that resembles this franchise and studio.
I mean Kratos is even in the new Logo of SMS

and i don't think SSM will take this risk after the past years

 

[The God]

So are we thinking they keep the linear design for GoW4? Think they'll go full open world for this one?

 

[Sid]

I'm hoping for a linear game and no MP.

 

[Afrikan]

hey hey fellas and gals.

I loved Motorstorm and Syphon Filter.

We don't need to bash one *studio at the defense of the other.

*former Studio.

 

[SneakersSO]

#teamnotkratos

i want a new character, and i would love to play as a badass valkyrie, this could mean co-op and multiplayers since she can invoke spirits of dead warriors

Oh, its gonna be Kratos. Just it'll be 'Kratos'. Like Lara Croft.

Why would you wanna play as a Valkyrie? The name of the game is God of War - theres only one of two ways this'll go. You're either trying to kill the Norse god of war, or you are the Norse god of war trying to take down the other gods for crossing you.

 

[DriftingSpirit]

So are we thinking they keep the linear design for GoW4? Think they'll go full open world for this one?

I wouldn't mind for them to take a "open linear" approach. Have it be linear at the core but provide more space for combat, puzzles, etc...

 

[Nightengale]

Just like how Athena was kinda like Kratos's... err... friend of sorts in GoW, I expect there to be a female equal/companion alongside Krathor, which would make sense if she's a Valkyrie.

 

[Sid]

Everyone, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarök check it.

 

[Triggerhappytel]

I'm all for Kratos riding Fenrir through the gates of Valhalla before facing off against Beowulf and Thor, to initiate Ragnarok.

 

[Raylan]

Kratos or bust. People saying they want a different character are insane.
Kratos is the franchise.

So true. Kratos IS the franchise. And he has a lot of fans. Kratos or bust.

Man this thread is a painful reminder of the Evolution/Liverpool shutdown. Why does Sony Bend have nine lives while the guys who've actually made good games get told to pound sand?

Because Sony Bend was ALWAYS a small team and 99% of their games were very good and on time, regarding the dev time. They're damn good. Liverpool was a large studio and their output was terrible.

Fair enough, I just hope Bend is held to the same standard if/when their middling AAA title is released to The Order-level sales

So you hope Sony Bend will get closed if their game does not perform? You hope these guys lose their jobs, so that you can feel better about Liverpool? What is wrong with you?
Oh and btw. the "The Order: 1886" sales numbers ain't bad. And Sony Bend is a much smaller team. So TO:1886 numbers would be a nice achievement.

 

[Carn82]

Everyone, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ragnarök check it.

hehe, yeah, this sounds like a potential God of War game:

In Norse mythology, Ragnarök is a series of future events, including a great battle foretold to ultimately result in the death of a number of major figures (including the gods Odin, Thor, Týr, Freyr, Heimdallr, and Loki), the occurrence of various natural disasters, and the subsequent submersion of the world in water. Afterward, the world will resurface anew and fertile, the surviving and returning gods will meet, and the world will be repopulated by two human survivors.

- dying gods? check
- disasters? check
- some lazy ending? check!

 

[Eylos]

Oh, its gonna be Kratos. Just it'll be 'Kratos'. Like Lara Croft.

Why would you wanna play as a Valkyrie? The name of the game is God of War - theres only one of two ways this'll go. You're either trying to kill the Norse god of war, or you are the Norse god of war trying to take down the other gods for crossing you.

freyja is a goddess of war and also a valkyrie

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

why would a proven first party studio creating an open world horror game be held to the same standards as a "2nd party" game created by a third party that earned their rep by making GoW portable games and then severely fumbled the transition to AAA development?

also: what was Syphon Filter "me-too-ing?"

 

[Carn82]

Kratos should climb the Yggdrasil on the back of a Frost Giant, just to make a deja-vu quip about having done that stuff before.

 

[Jacob4815]

Should we expect a GOW4 reveal before E3?

 

[DriftingSpirit]

Should we expect a GOW4 reveal before E3?

I would say at E3 along with Sony Bend.

 

[Hexa]

New Kratos that's similar with different tattoos and clothes sounds great. I would have preferred that with Egyptian but Norse works too.

 

[Corpsepyre]

Is it possible they reveal this before E3 with their own special press event, and then we'll get a gameplay/teaser at E3?

I CANNOT fucking wait, however. Norse, fuck! Makes me wonder if they're following Jaffe's initial idea.

 

[The God]

Should we expect a GOW4 reveal before E3?

A teaser of Kratos picking up Mjolnir would be perfect.

 

[Raylan]

also: what was Syphon Filter "me-too-ing?"

Back then, a lot of Metal Gear Solid fans were crying "They are copying MGS!!!!!!". In reality, Gabe was more of an american James Bond. Great series, great character.
The action (and the tazer) was great. Multiplayer mode was mighty fine, too.

 

[Drencrom]

Norse mythology for God of War 4

https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/717015410051313664

https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/717018912383221761

(Not making a new thread because I saw shinobi doesn't like new threads based off his tweets)

Great to hear, Norse mythology was obviously the best choice

Can't wait for their depiction of Ragnarök

 

[DKHF]

Is it possible they reveal this before E3 with their own special press event, and then we'll get a gameplay/teaser at E3?

It's possible but I expect this to be their big announcement at E3 along with PS4K. And if that OsirisBlack thread is to be believed GoW4 takes advantage of PS4K and is a launch title for it so they probably want to announce them together.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Back then, a lot of Metal Gear Solid fans were crying "They are copying MGS!!!!!!". In reality, Gabe was more of an american James Bond. Great series, great character.
The action (and the tazer) was great. Multiplayer mode was mighty fine, too.

Interestingly, Bend says that MGS had nothing to do with the creation of the game. Goldeneye was actually its biggest inspiration as far as games go

PlayStation.Blog: What was the original base concept for the game? Was it in any way a response to Metal Gear Solid, or did the idea develop in a relative vacuum?

John Garvin, Creative Director at Bend Studio: Metal Gear Solid actually had nothing to do with the genesis of Syphon Filter. We had been in development for quite a while before we had even heard of it. The idea originally came from a producer at Sony’s (then) 989 Studios who had written a one page synopsis that he called “Syphon Filter” which had zero meaning, i.e. there was no plot, no character, and no story, just an idea for settings, mechanics and gameplay. From the beginning it was to be a “stealth action” game (in the days before there was such a genre) that focused heavily on weapons, gadgets and stealth. Our goal was to make the player feel like a super spy. Our lead designer back then was pretty heavily influenced by Nintendo’s GoldenEye, which was probably the closest you could come to finding a game like Syphon in those days.

http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/10/25/behind-the-classics-syphon-filter/

And it makes sense. SF is a lot closer to Goldeneye than MGS in concept.

 

[RoyalLaFlame]

God of War in Norse Mithology? WANT

 

[GIANKRATOS]

Norse mythology for God of War 4

https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/717015410051313664

https://twitter.com/shinobi602/status/717018912383221761

(Not making a new thread because I saw shinobi doesn't like new threads based off his tweets)

I don't know how to feel about this.

 

[AmaterasuOni]

Damn hell! Ragnarök here we come! I wasn't interested before, but now it's day 1. Really exciting news.

 

[Raylan]

Interestingly, Bend says that MGS had nothing to do with the creation of the game. Goldeneye was actually its biggest inspiration as far as games go

I know I'm a big fan of Sony Bend since day (Syphon Filter) 1. I still remember reading their interview about Goldeneye a few years ago.

 

[Commanche Raisin Toast]

Back then, a lot of Metal Gear Solid fans were crying "They are copying MGS!!!!!!". In reality, Gabe was more of an american James Bond. Great series, great character.
The action (and the tazer) was great. Multiplayer mode was mighty fine, too.

i thought they complimented each other very well. one was stealth and one was run-n-gun-n-taser.

as for GoW4... i don't i'm going to get some flak in this thread, but (yes i know they already confirmed they were working on GOW4) i just have a hard time getting jazzed for GOW anymore. i was really hoping they would just be done with the series after Ascension.

switching over to Norse mythology makes it sound like we're going to be getting another handful of games. was really hoping Santa Monica would finally be released from this curse and free to work on new things and try fresh ideas. (and yes, i also know that one of their teams was working on something like that and it was canned)

still though, graphics are going to melt my eyes. same as GOW3 looked unbelievable running on a PS3. i'm also hoping that if they are going to keep making these games maybe they use this opportunity to make some big shifts in the way the games play. not a complete rewrite of the formula, but at very least make the worlds more dense, maybe incorporate side objectives of some sort, add some interesting things to the combat, etc.

 

[pixelation]

Kratos or new character?

Better be freaking Kratos or all hell shall break lose.

 

[Corpsepyre]

i thought they complimented each other very well. one was stealth and one was run-n-gun-n-taser.

as for GoW4... i don't i'm going to get some flak in this thread, but (yes i know they already confirmed they were working on GOW4) i just have a hard time getting jazzed for GOW anymore. i was really hoping they would just be done with the series after Ascension.

switching over to Norse mythology makes it sound like we're going to be getting another handful of games. was really hoping Santa Monica would finally be released from this curse and free to work on new things and try fresh ideas. (and yes, i also know that one of their teams was working on something like that and it was canned)

still though, graphics are going to melt my eyes. same as GOW3 looked unbelievable running on a PS3. i'm also hoping that if they are going to keep making these games maybe they use this opportunity to make some big shifts in the way the games play. not a complete rewrite of the formula, but at very least make the worlds more dense, maybe incorporate side objectives of some sort, add some interesting things to the combat, etc.

Changing the entire mythology IS a fresh take on the series, whichever way one sees it. Shit didn't work out for them with their new IP. Shit happens. They should come back with full force and destroy us clean with what they're good at.