NullPointer
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Will PS4K lead to a new generation of bullshots and downgrades?
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half a moon
Banned
What is this from?
It's not From.
Mediking
Member
The shadow known as Deep Down.
deadscreensky
Member
They've never gone away, I don't know how you could pretend otherwise.
And it's not like exclusives are exempt, either. Remember 60fps Uncharted 3 footage five years ago?
But yes, you should probably assume all future PS4 footage is running on PS4K. Or on a PC, like it often already is doing today.
And it's not like exclusives are exempt, either. Remember 60fps Uncharted 3 footage five years ago?
But yes, you should probably assume all future PS4 footage is running on PS4K. Or on a PC, like it often already is doing today.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
It's technically still possible for screenshots to be taken from devkits or PC workstations, even for console exclusives.
BlitzBlake
Member
My enjoyment of a game has never once been decreased because that game may have looked better 3 years ago, than what in playing currently does.
Shadowheart
Member
forum dwellers had nothing to do with that.
Clockwork5
Member
Nice!
I would argue the opposite. Devs will focus on the model with 30 million units in the wild and the improvements to the model with a couple million will be marginal.
R10Neymarfan
Member
Maybe they'll add that fidelity and performance as PS4K exclusive for Uncharted 4 from the teaser
wonderful103
Member
Not bloody likely.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Isn't this happened for a while like last gen? Everything either on PC or bullshot
wonderful103
Member
Plenty more gens than that. Every time somebody posts a PS2-era God of War "screenshot" for example, a small baby kitten is mauled by a falling boulder.
deadscreensky
Member
I wasn't brave enough to go there, but that's a great example.
2blackcats
Member
Another generation? We've putting up with this shit for as long as I've been gaming(80s), if anything things are improving with disclaimers, etc.
Fredrik
Member
Oh... didn't think about that. But now when you say it I assume that worse graphics and unstable framerate compared to trailers and what's talked about in previews will be the norm for us PSPoor folks going forward. Sad but true.
I assume that every review copy sent out will be PS4Neo too so I feel like I won't have a clue what I'm actually buying unless every reviewer starts to do DF FaceOffs, which is unlikely.
It'll be a mess. No more day 1 purchases for me. DF will be my only guide for future PS4 game purchases.
I assume that every review copy sent out will be PS4Neo too so I feel like I won't have a clue what I'm actually buying unless every reviewer starts to do DF FaceOffs, which is unlikely.
It'll be a mess. No more day 1 purchases for me. DF will be my only guide for future PS4 game purchases.
Poimandres
Member
Bullshots have been around... forever. They are never going away!
Nitty_Grimes
Made a crappy phPBB forum once ... once.
Outrun Europa on the spectrum springs to mind!!
http://www.mobygames.com/game/outrun-europa/cover-art/gameCoverId,226167/
An imporoved frame rate will be noticeable .
Fredrik
Member
Don't forget 60fprs
From now on I'll just assume that games running at 60fps when shown or reviewed for PS4 is actually the Neo version. :/
Bl@de
Member
Yep. Bullshots are PC screenshots at 4K, extreme AA and more. Nothing will change with PS4K.
XxRampage07xX
Member
I don't understand this. Why is a game running on an actual PS4K considered as a bad thing? If the game is real and runs on consumers' consoles exactly the same as shown as E3, how can it be BS? Bullshots and downgrades are when developers releasing games that look and play nowhere near as good as them being first shown at E3 or other events (like Watch Dogs). In your case, the game will still be the same when it's released and the consumers will play the exact same version as seen at E3 or in trailers... Misleading maybe yes but that's no BS or downgrade.
Yes, every exclusive will end up being shown using Neo. Many multiplat games will go this route as well (because many of them don't seem to be capable of competent PC ports).
No, that's not what a bullshot or downgrade means. Those will happen regardless (and possibly to a lesser degree now)
No, that's not what a bullshot or downgrade means. Those will happen regardless (and possibly to a lesser degree now)
Chittagong
Gold Member
Of course footage will be from PS4.5, just like PC footage is from a high end rig. You won't see a trailer saying 'Running on a PLEBSTATION 4'
timmyp53
Member
Yeah even saying "running on actual ps4 hardware" still works. Nothing will change.
I cry. Bought into the hype for this. It's been 3 years.
As someone pointed out on another threads those forum dwellers had a powerful voice in the form of GameStop talking to MS directly.
The level of outrage was far more widespread too, but I suspect that a retailer with 50% market share of console hard&software sales was as big a voice on its own.
I would also point out that 4K bullshots are a requirement for optimum printing & large screen displays. Doesn't make it right that they're used in web marketing obviously but there are actual reasons for them to exist beyond publishers and their filthy lying marketing.
That always works. A video of a CG movie taken off the PC dev version run on a PS4 is also "running on actual ps4 hardware".
It bugs me because there are close to 40 million PS4 owners. We want to see the graphics that we can expect, not graphics on some specced up premium machine. It technically isn't lying but it is misleading and I fear that PS4K gameplay will be used more frequently in lieu of actual PS4 gameplay. I remember earlier in the gen, some players waiting months to see footage of a game on their platform of choice (it was PS4 or Xbone). This wasn't too common and I believe it was for EA games or something to do with a marketing deal. ....Might have been EA with Dragon Age. Anyway, I don't want to have to deal with that for every PS4 game.
Some people might think that this changes nothing because of PC but remember that Arkham Knight was running on PC at Sony's E3 conference. It was running on a PC specced down to PS4's power level. Now, I haven't done a comparison to see if they achieved those graphics but at least they made an effort. In the future, they will spec those PCs to PS4K and blah blah blah.... Honestly, this PS4K just complicates things a lot for me. There are too many variables, too many ways to shape what we believe and too many ways to hide the truth.
Maybe I am overreacting and am just afraid of change. We will see how things turn out at E3 but I hope developers who are crafting their E3 trailers now are honest and clear. If they could make their trailers on PS4, scale it up to PS4K, use that PS4K trailer at E3 and post the original PS4 trailer on YouTube, I will be happy.
Or Simply "Photo Mode"
Melchiah
Member
Imagine showing GOW4 on PS4, that looks as jaw-dropping as the 3rd did at the time, and then showing how it looks on PS4K. Ka-ching!
SprachBrooks
Member
Invariably so. And they will not clarify the difference in quality between PS4 and PS4K so as to obfuscate the quality of graphics. Classic shitty marketing that's endemic to the game's industry.
As a potential PS4K/Whatever-its-called owner, I fear the opposite might be mandated - that all games have to be shown on the base PS4 initially, and that only later on will we find out what 'extras' the PS4K model gets, or what it'll be like on the newer model.
Although tbh I think it'd be very hard for Sony to regulate this either way. It'll probably be entirely up to pubs, but hopefully they are clear which is running on what.
It's going to be kind of tricky for Sony in their initial reveal of this machine. Presumably they'll want to show the benefit of the new machine, but they're going to want to do it in a way that doesn't make existing owners feel left out. I guess they could handle it well with a flagship first party game - show it first running on the base PS4, and looking amazing...then show it again on the new model, just looking even better again. Win win?
Although tbh I think it'd be very hard for Sony to regulate this either way. It'll probably be entirely up to pubs, but hopefully they are clear which is running on what.
It's going to be kind of tricky for Sony in their initial reveal of this machine. Presumably they'll want to show the benefit of the new machine, but they're going to want to do it in a way that doesn't make existing owners feel left out. I guess they could handle it well with a flagship first party game - show it first running on the base PS4, and looking amazing...then show it again on the new model, just looking even better again. Win win?
John Wick
Member
Spot on! Don't see why it'll be any different with the Neo PS4
Yautja_Warrior
Member
It happens all the time anyway, so why would a slightly more powerful PS4 change things ?
The answer = It won't change a thing.
The answer = It won't change a thing.